Why we disagree with Maulana Saad Sab DB

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 12th December 2022 18:04

Assalamu alaikum.
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in 1995 when I first heard bayan of Maulana Saad sahib inside Bangle wali Masjid, I was delighted. I believed that Allah has send Maulana Saad sahib as reformer of tableegh jamaath. I was young with zeal. We used to boast of "He is gifted with Ilm Ludooni or Ilm wahbi"

Later I recalled the same 1995 Jod and realized the blunders committed by Maulana saad sahib in those majalis.

in 1995, Maulana saad sab was 30 years old. Our state elders were 60+..... I recall his misbehavior towards these elders. He was trying to emphasize that his is the boss. Demonstrating that our elders were nothing before him in knowledge, the usools of tableegh etc.

He used to address our state elders in singular to disrespect them. Our Maulana who was highly respected by all state saathees, he was addressed as "Maulvi XX" (yaa allah, we were shocked). Normally we call a fresh graduate as moulvi. (We thought it is his mewati culture). He objected to a clear sunnah followed by our elders, his intention was to belittle our elders in front of state sathees. Our elders were punished for not being punctual in Majalis, (in front of entire state)

Elders like Prof Sanaullah, prof Khalid siddiqui sahib, Hajee farooq sahib were called in singular, "Sanaullah", "Khalid", "Farooq"... "Tum" (singular, you) log eh kaam karo". Before him, Hazrat Jee Inamul Hasan RA behavior towards these elders was humble and with respect.

We ignored these behavior, we were blinded by our zeal. He was reprimanding these elders in front of state sathees (Which is against ethics). A 30 year, fresh in tableeg and misbehaving with elders who were in tableeg before maulana saad was born. He tortured Dr Nadir Ali khan sahib RA. He tortured Maulana Umar sahib Palanpuri RA.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 12th December 2022 19:00

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Mutakallim of tableeg, Maulana Umar sahib Palanpuri RA was mistreated.

In 1996, the first foreign tour under the 5 member shura. From Srilanka to Australian continent. (Incidentally I was present at the airport).

It was reported that Maulana Saad sahib dominated this safar. He was delivering bayan in most of majalis. The mutkallim of tableeg Maulana umar Sahib palanpuri was never given an opportunity to deliver bayan in this safar (tour). He was healthy, he was faisal in the 5 member shura. But still this torture.

During his stay in banglae wali masjid, Maualana Umar sahib palanpuri RA was delivering the fajr bayan by default (with mashwarah). We stand witness, wallah!! he justified this. Ummah benefited by maulana's lectures.

We recall, in late 80s when we interacted with graduate students of madrasah kashiful uloom inside markaz campus, they were making fun of Maulana Umar sahib palanpuri RA and maulana Ibrahim Dewla DB's speeches. It is reported from reliable sources that they nicknamed Maulana Umar Sahib Palanpuri as Qawwal or Gawayyah (similar to singing with music in dargah campus). (So it started in late 80s itself).

When maulana saad sahib dominated, he removed Maulana Umar sahib Palanpuri from his regular fajr bayan.

to be continued: Insha Allah.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 01:22

Dr. Nadir Ali Khan Sahib R.A was blessed by Allah with great attributes. He had mastered the Urdu language, he used this gift to explain the Usools of da'wah.

Dr. Sahib's special topics were, muqaami kaam (native engagements in dawat, five aamaal) and Sifaat (attributes) of Da'ee. We cannot forget his words. One hour could be used to explain each sentence of Hazrat.

Hazrat maintained his relationship with his Shuyukh till the end. He visited South Indian city every year during Ramadan for Itikaf. A large number of mutakif used to gather here. Maulana Saad used to attack him repeatedly through his statements, like: "Dawat is our Shaykh, everyone's reform is in dawat" and probably.. the statement "Hazrat Musa عليه السلام focused on individual aamal and diluted the responsibility towards ummah, it resulted in... Ummah disintegrated" was directed towards Dr. Sahib. But Dr. Nadir Ali Khan Sahib remained firm on his foundation till the end and in his last days he left the banglae waali masjid. Ummah missed him and his sifaat.

To be continued Insha allah.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 07:08

Brother, are you familiar with strong disagreements in Bangle Wali Masjid between elders there in Maulana Ilyas's (RA) time, Maulana Yusuf's (RA) time, and Maulana Inamul Hasan's (RA) time?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 09:25

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Brother...
If it is related to the present chaos, I humbly request you to present those strong disagreements.
If it is unrelated, then let us discuss about the present, the chaos created by maulana Saad sab DB.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 10:36

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Brother, the point I was trying to make is strong disagreements among elders is not unusual. What is unusual is that these strong disagreements were kept under wraps from people who were not directly affected by these differences.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 10:42

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Can you please quote a few strong disagreements during three hazrat jees periods

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 13:14

Brother, those elders are gone, may Allah Taala have mercy on all of them, and their differences remained unresolved in their lifetimes. There is little benefit in discussing their disagreements, aside from ibrat and some academic value.

One is mentioned in the Aap Beeti of Hazrat Shaykh RA, between Maulana Ilyas RA and Maulana Abdul Ali Meerathi RA, a senior student of Maulana Qasim Nanotvi RA.

In all such disagreements, we have excellent guidance in the form of Al Etidal fi Maratibir Rijal, also by Hazrat Shaykh RA, in response to a query regarding the differences between Hazrat Thanvi RA and Hazrat Madni RA. (Hazrat Thanvi RA was also senior to Hazrat Madni RA by about two decades.)

Another excellent resource for dealing with differences among elders is the book Adabul Ikhtilaf by Mufti Farooq Meerathi RA, student of Mufti Mahmoodul Hasan Gangohi RA, chronicling many incidents right from the Sahaba RA down to the akabir ulama of Deoband.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 14:04

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Respected brother;

You have read all the texts.
If you are appointed a faisal or a Hakam, then what advice will you give to Maulana Saad Sahib and what advice will you offer for Akabir?

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 15:39

Brother, I am a nobody. My heart was put to ease greatly after I read through those two books above. I've seen a number of senior and balanced ulama put a lot of emphasis on reconciliation when we asked them questions regarding the happenings in markaz.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 13th December 2022 15:56

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Reconcillation:
Maulana saad sab DB demands unconditional return of akabir to banglae waali masjid. Status quo of when they left Banglae waali masjid.
Do you agree with this.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 14th December 2022 01:19

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Bismillah.

I have read an English translation of Aap Beeti. From what I recall the disagreement was with
Maulana Ashiq Elahi Meeruti (RA)
In anycase the situation was diffused. They agreed to disagree and still maintained respect for each other despite their disagreement.Never ever fell out permanently.

The present situation in recent years seems totally differrent. And having read the very long thread of Dr76 it seems all the elders fell out with Maulana Saad and were sidelined.

So the question to you would be would it not have been better for Maulana Saad to step away himself for the benefit and unity of Tabligh Jamaat.???

The impression I got from that thread is Maulana Saad views Tabligh Jamaat as a family inheritance and himself as the rightful heir.

And ALLAH knows best.

Whatever the case it is sad that this work that gave hidayah from Easy to West has been splintered.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 14th December 2022 01:23

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Let me ask in a better way...
What are the so called unethical, illegal demands placed before maulana Saad sahib DB. Let us discuss those demands...

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 14th December 2022 01:33

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We were shocked when it was reported that Mewatees have decided through anonymous resolution that the future ameer is son of maulana Saad sahib DB, even if he is a naa baalig.
We know banglae waali masjid is run by a single person. A Mashwara conducted with "yes men " around him. His sons and himself delivering all the bayans.
Is this the alternative for akabireen?
What next after mol Saad sahib DB?
Zealots declare, "Allah is great'....

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 14th December 2022 02:17

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Brother, Maulana Ashiq Ilahi Meerathi RA was a student of Maulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi RA and the writer of his biography, Tazkiratur Rasheed, which Maulana Zakariya RA quoted very extensively in his Aap Beeti, so I'm pretty sure you're right and I'm mistaken. Apologies.

There have been many other disagreements that remained unresolved, such as Maulana Ehtishamul Hasan RA when the issue of succession arose at the death of Maulana Ilyas RA.

There were also Maulana Rahmatullah Madrasi RA and Janab Fareeduddin Aligarhi RA when the issue of succession arose at the death of Maulana Yusuf RA.

There was friction with even Maulana Ubaidullah Balyawi RA in connection with issues of succession.

Even in Raiwind, there have been disagreements at the very top at various times and people have departed, voluntarily or involuntarily.

Even among the akabir ulama of Deoband, disagreements were left unresolved, such as Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri RA, Qari Tayyab RA, Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani RA and Maulana Zafar Ahmad Usmani RA. All of these resulted in a permanent parting of ways.

There have been disagreements in the past and there will continue to be disagreements in the future.

Few of us are in a position to approach the people concerned on both sides and get first hand inputs regarding their differences. We are all relying on what has been conveyed to us by well meaning people. Even fewer of us have the depth of knowledge, spirituality, and sagacity to try to attempt a reconciliation.

For my own peace of mind, I prefer to be non partisan. I do not consider myself qualified enough to argue either case on merit.

Whenever there is an ijtema by either group, I try to attend and participate, because I benefit greatly from the company of people who are leaps and bounds better than me.

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