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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 12:27

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You may have alternative for a person's reformation. And this is only for a person who intents to get reformed. Not for those who don't need reformation.

There is no alternative for collective results achieved by tableeghi jamaat (as a unit) on reformation of ummah.

Think of places if tableeghi saathees would not have sacrificed their whole life savings to visit other continents. Compare with those countries/cities where they couldn't reach. Read a thread on this forum on Argentina, panama, Venezuela, Chile, Brazil etc.

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 14:52

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You mean to say that islam reached the corners of the world only after 1926?

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 15:43

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Let me rewind
There were no Muslims before sahabah Or tabaeen reached their place.
And wherever they couldn't reach, people were unaware of Islam.
You agree here.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 17:02

Indeed the sahaba رضي الله عنهم and the tabeen's efforts were the reason that Islam reached non-Muslims, but the way they did it depended on the time period. Sometimes, it was tabligh, sometimes it was Jihad, other times they didn't even have to explicitly call to Islam, only show the true Islam. So it can be said the way to introduce the word of Allah to non-Muslims should depend on the time period or the feasibility of the various methods during that time.

My personal opinion is that's what's happening with the Tablighi Jamaat. Whatever is happening with it is from Allah and could be a sign to change the approach. When Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه started it, this method was the need of the time. And now almost a 100 years later, a different approach is perhaps needed. Perhaps even a more forceful one, if you get what I mean.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 17:05

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And now almost a 100 years later, a different approach is perhaps needed. Perhaps even a more forceful one, if you get what I mean.

With all those experiences for 100 years in mind, any alternative movement is welcomed. But I don't see one.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 17:43

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In the end, besides Prophets no one is infallible.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 22:05

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Who said you won't find it in any book?
Yes this did take place. Nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم had told Sahabah رضي الله عنهم on a occasion to wait if they heard the Azaan or for any other sign of Islam before doing anything.
Islam did reach unknown places.

What you don't realize is that you are a hardcore Moulana Saad follower deep down.

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His (Molvi Sa'd's) claim: Hidaayat is not in the Hands of Allah Ta’ala. He had
therefore sent the Ambiya to impart Hidaayat is tantamount to kufr.

This is the most dangerous of Sa’d’s claims. He is clearly espousing an entirely new concept of kufr. The Qur’aan Majeed is replete with aayaat which categorically state that Hidaayat
comes from only Allah Ta’ala. Some random Qur’aanic aayaat follow to show the gross and dangerous deviation which Sa’d has introduced under cover of the Tabligh Jamaat.

(a) “Verily you (O Muhammad!) cannot give hidaayat to those whom you love. But Allah gives hidaayat to whomever He wills, and He knows best who are to be guided.”
This Aayat explicitly negates the ability of granting hidaayat
from Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam).

(b) “And, We have guided them (given them hidaayat) to Siraatul Mustaqeem. This is Allah’s Huda (guidance/hidaayat) with which He guides whomever He wills from His servants. (Al-
An’aam, Aayat 89)

It is Allah, Alone who provides hidaayat.

(c) “If Allah had willed, then they would not have committed shirk. And, We did not make you (O Muhammad!) a protector over them nor are you over them a guard.”

The obligation of the Nabi (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) was to only deliver the Message –the Deen. Providing hidaayat was beyond the capability of the Ambiya, hence the Qur’aan repeatedly instructs them to say: “Upon us is only to deliver the Clear Message.”

(d) “Thus, Allah leads astray whomever He wills, and He guides (gives hidaayat) to whomever He wills.” (Ibraaheem, Aayat 4)

(e) “Therefore, on the Messengers it is only the Clear Delivery (of the Deen) Verily, We have sent for every Ummat a Rasool so that they (their people) worship Allah and abstain from (worshipping) the devil. Thus, from them are those whom Allah guided, and among them are those upon whom dhalaal (the deviation of kufr) has been confirmed.” (An-Nahl, Aayats 35 and 36)

(f) “(Even) if you (O Muhammad!) ardently desire that they be guided, then too, verily Allah does not guide those whom He has caused to go astray, and for them there is no helper.” (An-
Nahl)

(g) “If Allah had so wished, He would have made you all one Ummah, but He misleads whoever He wills and He guides whomever He wills.” (An-Nahl, Aayat 93)

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The aforementioned are merely some Qur’aanic Aayaat chosen at random for the edification of Molvi Sa’d. The Qur’aan, replete with Aayaat of this kind, categorically confirms that Hidaayat is a prerogative exclusively of Allah Azza Wa Jal. Hidaayat is in entirety reliant on Allah Ta’ala, NOT on mehnet (effort) as Molvi Sa’d contends. Apportioning Hidaayat to human beings is ordained by Allah Ta’ala. It is not the effect of the effort of the Ambiya, and to a greater extent not the effect of the mehnet of the Tabligh Jamaat.

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 01:19

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You quoted Nabi SAS qaul not to do anything if they find signs of Islam.
You claim that without any human effort they had accepted Islam. Allah gave hidayat to these locals directly.
Similarly today also Allah will reform the ummah, Allah SWT shall change hearts whenever he wills with his direct command.
So every one must wind up and stay at home. That is the message you are conveying

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 04:55

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My respected brother, what was being inferred from that was, that Deen did reach places which were unknown to
Nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم and Sahabah رضي الله عنهم. That's all. In case of attacking, they were told to be cautious.

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While all people are required to strive and struggle in whatever occupation/profession they are involved, the end result, its success or failure, is the decree of Allah Azza Wa Jal. Thus, a man makes mehnet in the quest of his Rizq; in the quest of Knowledge, and in many other pursuits. But the final result is Allah’s decree. The Rizq we received is not on account of our effort. It is not permissible, and it is nugatory of Imaan to believe that the consequences of Taqdeer are reliant on personal effort, and not on Divine Directive.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 05:11

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The Qur’aan repeatedly declares that Hidaayat is Allah’s prerogative, not the effect of the mehnet of the Ambiya. If mehnet was the criterion and imperative requisite for Hidaayat, Rasulullah’s uncle Abu Talib, Hadhrat Nooh’s wife and son, Hadhrat Loot’s wife, Hadhrat Ibraaheem’s father and innumerable others closely associated with the Ambiya would not have perished as kuffaar. They would all have acquired the treasure of Imaan as a direct effect of the supreme mehnet of the Ambiya. Thus, Sa’d’s contention that Hidaayat is not in the control of Allah Azza Wa Jal is blatant kufr. He must renew his Imaan. It is haraam for the Tabligh Jamaat elders to tolerate such a deviate within the ranks of the Jamaat.

Molvi Sa’d with his jahaalat, pivots hidaayat on mehnet (struggle/striving). This is a capital blunder which is the effect of ignorance. If the basis of hidaayat was mehnet, then his argument will imply that Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had, nauthubillah, failed in his duty of mehnet because there were many who did not accept Imaan despite all the efforts
of Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam). And the same ‘failure’ stemming from the kufr view of Sa’d, will apply to all the Ambiya.

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Abstention from Tabligh Jamaat activities is not sinful. Participation is not Waajib. Non-participation in Tabligh Jamaat activities never was the cause of the fall and humiliation of the Ummah. In fact, the Ummah had scraped the dregs of the barrel of disgrace and degeneration many centuries before the birth of the Tabligh Jamaat.

The Khurooj during the era of the Salf-e-Saaliheen and even thereafter was always only for the purpose of Jihaad – Qitaal Fi Sabeelillaah. There never ever was mass khurooj for tabligh. While khurooj for tabligh is permissible and meritorious, it is not Waajib and the idea of it being waajib is haraam ghulu’ which culminates in Sa’d type dhalaal and kufr.

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You can find the book in the links provided. Search key words Kufr Ideology.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 05:37

Mufti Taqi Saab has also mentioned similar issues. These Hadhraat weren't even spared, prior to the scuffle. But now that they can be used to pin one side against the other, Chalo Bhai! Let's ask the Ulama. Before this they weren't allowed to speak on their matters cause they only read books, (like you said in another post) they haven't put that work in. Brother Ulama give their life. Both sides have issues.
The incident mentioned in the audio takes place in Pakistan, who are on the Shuuraa side. But look at the propaganda at work.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 05:40

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If you read what I said carefully, an alternative is exactly what I am suggesting. An alternative that makes more sense in these times when the kuffar are dominating us oppressively everywhere and have reduced Muslims to pretty much Sudras.

I don't see the kuffar accepting any time soon that any lifestyle, culture or dawah that the "untouchables" are propagating could actually be the path to success in this world and the hereafter, especially not when they see us in our present form.

So that leaves us with pretty much the only option. Sure, we'd like to wait it out for the prophecy of the ahadith when that leader comes to us that will help us exercise that option, but what if we, the Muslims of today are meant to open the path towards that end? And we sit around convincing ourselves that another way of dawah is the need of the time.

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 06:05

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I used to work in IT for some time. Had a chance to study Big Data. Apart from selling the information from our different sources of Social Media, they use the data to check the temperature of the Muslims. To see where they can press our buttons.

Facebook, What's app, Basically Meta played a big role in this.
This should help in explaining:
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*The Audio contains Music* if you click the Transcript setting you can read it, it will be quicker as well.

They know what percentage of our youth is involved in whatever Fitnah. They plan but Allah Ta'ala also plans and He is the best of planners.

Canada opened up its Doors around 1.3 million foreigners. They know their Machine of Kufr is well oiled, that is why they opened the gates. I can share all the relevant articles. In the past 5 years Muslim guys I know, some of whom were in my high school class were arrested throughout Canada for being either the biggest gun or drug dealers. On the opposite end is the guys who were in Universities and wanted the full experience, alot of them are now Murtad. Muslims in the West either become Gangsters, or closet Atheists. This is a big majority. Yeah and the few in between are cheating on their wives and stuff due to the hyper sexualized society. The women are a mess everywhere and that is due to feminism.

I'm not trying to be negative but this is the news coming forth everyday. Some Hadrhaat are present and work is being done but overall they have us cornered. It looks like something big may take place, cause the small punishment of the Plandemic wasn't enough. This is the state of Canada, not sure about the rest of the world. Oh and Tablighis there won't accept any Alim to be a "real" Alim till he spent 1 year in Jamat so this issue causes the young Ulama not to be "allowed" to speak at their ijtimas. An unspoken rule.

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 06:43

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Tableegh is requirement for present Muslims. There is no alternative for this.

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2022 06:48

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Ulema with experience in tableegh know the usools. What to speak and what to expect from audience.
A young aalim spoke about haiz and nifaas masail in ladies ijtema. Tableeghi forum is not for that discussion.

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