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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 04:13
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At one time the committee of Darul Uloom Deoband came to Hazrat Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi rah with a similar situation.

An influential faasiq fujjar individual had threatened to close down the madrassa if he was not included in the shura of darul uloom. The committee was inclined to have him in the shura to avoid fitnah and facing any other trouble or unpleasant situation.

What maulana Gangohi rah said should be imprinted in our hearts for the rest of our lives.

The gist of what he said was " If this is the case than let the madrassa close today , let it close now but we will never include any undeserving and faasiq in the shura of the madrassa. The goal is not running the madrassa but pleasure of Allah in all situations and at all times.

That individual was then not included in the shura of darul uloom deoband.

As of today, Darul Uloom Deoband is still up and running
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 05:37
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1. There is difference between closing down a madrasah and tableeg.
2. Maulana Saad was neither a faasiq nor faajir at that time. It was the lobby which was pushing for his inclusion. We can say it was maulana saad's inexperience that created chaos. He had just read books and thought whatever is written in books can be said in bayans.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 07:33
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unqualified and not fit for the post.

Yet because of this hazrat worshipping mentality he has been plumped up to the post disregarding many worthy individuals.

The blame is squarely on those who bowed down to the pressure of the masses inspite of better judgement.

The scenario is the same in every activity of deen. madrassa and tabligh and tazkiya are all branches of deen. cannot discount one for the other. Ikhlas is needed in every area.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 08:56
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This is not with tableeg alone. Read history of Islam.

But when there was Yazeed, Hazrath Hussain RA was there.
When there was Hajjaj bin yusuf, Abdullah bin Zubair RA was there.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 09:01
Have been connected with Tabligh my whole life.
This rift was inevitable. Many amongst them created this environment of, this is the end all and be all. If you aren't in the club, you're not doing deeni work. They broke many people's hearts with this type of attitude.

Moulana Saad is a by product of the Ghulu that is present within the ranks of Tablighis.
Tablighis do not take criticism well. Among their masses they have a superficial respect for Ulama. But that's another topic altogether.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 09:06
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What is the alternative: if it is there, recommend it to me, I shall join.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 09:48
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We are all already part of the same body. One should continue with the effort.
The purpose of 2 and 1/2 hour Taleem is to gain Suhbhat from the illustrious personalities mentioned within the book along with the author رضوان الله تعلي عليهم اجمعين.

It's increasingly hard to find a Sheikh now a days anyways.
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There are ample amounts of free English books that can be read. Hadrhat Moulana Abdur Raheem Motala رحمه الله who was the Kaatib of Aap Beeti for Hadrhat Shaykh رحمه الله wrote to read AAP Beeti and Malfoozat of Hadrhat Thanwi رحمه الله for preservation of Imaan. This Ummah is one that reads.

One should increase their Tilawaat and reading of Deeni books and In Sha Allah they will be granted the necessary firasat to be able to distinguish between Haqq and Baatil.
A person should also make this Duaa اللهم أرنا الحق حقا وارزقنا اتباعه وأرنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه.

One of our last big guns is situated in Port Elizabeth, make Duaa that Allah Ta'ala prolong their shadow over us.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 10:12
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You haven't recommended me the alternative of tablighi jamaat.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 10:40
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War! But most of us don't want no smoke.
(This is said as light banter)
Only Allah Ta'ala knows when we will be harnessed into that function. What is understood from our elders is Taleem and Tarbiyat till Allah Ta'ala removes us from this state of Sabr.

If one can do Tabligh whilst being impartial, then go for it. If not stay out of the mess and focus on yourself and the family.

You don't seem to be able to see the writing on the wall.
The doors have been knocked on. The downward spiral has long begun. The purpose of Tabligh is to come closer to Deen and to be able to do Amal. None of us are needed for the Hidayat of anyone. Your alternative is to start focusing on your self and the method of doing that was briefly explained in the previous post.

Meditate on the following:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا قُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَأَهْلِيكُمْ نَارًا وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَالْحِجَارَةُ عَلَيْهَا مَلَائِكَةٌ غِلَاظٌ شِدَادٌ لَّا يَعْصُونَ اللَّهَ مَا أَمَرَهُمْ وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ

O those who believe, save yourselves and your families from a fire, the fuel of which is human beings and stones, appointed on which are angels, stern and severe, who do not disobey Allah in what He orders them, and do whatever they are ordered to do.
— Maarif-ul-Quran
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 10:42
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Quote:
None of us are needed for the Hidayat of anyone


None of us, then who?
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 10:48
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الله.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 10:53
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Allah!
Then persecution of imamul anbiya S.A.S and sahabah RA was a waste.
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 11:02
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What are you on about?
Brother, alot has become clear with regards to your nature. What do you know about the efforts of Nabi صل الله عليه وسلم and Sahabah رضي الله تعلي عنهم.!?

What do you know about Badr, Uhud, Khandaq, Khyber, Muta etc. !?
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 11:06
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Brother what is S.A.S and RA?!

Make some effort and write out صلى الله عليه وسلم and رضي الله عنهم.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2022 11:46
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I agree... you have better knowledge than me.

Did you read anywhere that sahabah or tabaeen reached unknown places and met the locals, they responded that they are already muslims and following the shariah of Muhammad SAS


You can't quote this from any book.

Implies:

Efforts from sahabah/tabaee was required for hidayah of locals. And wherever sahabah/tabaee could not reach, the locals didn't get hidayah.

Yes, there was no 100 percent response from locals. After message was delivered, Allah gifted hidayah to a few lucky and humble souls and majority rejected it. Allah alone can change hearts.

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