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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 26th August 2022 00:16
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Yes, also to note if the 3 elders were the 3 Amirs of the world, how is it that during the Annual Shura Meeting in Raiwind, sometimes Bhai Wahab is the faisala?

The fact is clear, the 3 Shura is for Nizamuddin/India, not for the world!

Though to understand the Saadiya's group point of view, one must entertain a lot of implicity. I will put them here:
- The 3 Shura/Amirs of India (who control Nizamuddin) is implicitly the Amir of the world despite what was decided in the 1995 Mashwara which Bhai Wahab and Maulana Yaqoob themselves attended.
- It is implied that Maulana Inaamul Hasan 100% wanted the next Amir to be selected. Many eye witness have seen that this was NEVER the case. He may have eluded the election of a next Amir, but it was never 100% clearly said. Some eye witness also heard that he himself thought or wanted a Shuura system to protect the work since "Dunya is creeping into the effort". He basically left the decision to the 10 Shuura Council. This is the only established and undisputed fact.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2022 21:54
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Assalaamualaikum WRWB,
Yes this is correct. Have heard this from several different elders. Can name them.
  • Haji Bostan, Dewsbury, U.K.
  • Ebrahim Lakhani, San Diego, USA,
  • Maulana Kareem Baksh, Multan, Pakistan
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2022 22:01
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The 3 Amirs you refer to were specifically appointed to decide the next Ameer.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2022 14:14
Maulana saad sahib is back:

Things get normal now;
One Malaysian ijtema in foreign land
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local Bhopal annual ijtema.

Normal crowd. (based on reports)
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2022 14:15
And regular Shoora ijtemas in foreign land.
Raiwid ijtema was also normal. (Reports)
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 11th December 2022 10:16
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That is a lie. There is no proof that the shura was appointed to select an Ameer. The proof that we have is that in 1995, an agreement was forged which entails:

  • From now onwards, the responsibility of patronizing the work will not be on one individual; rather it will be on a whole Shura
  • Those who belong to the Nizamuddin from the Shura are members of the Shura for Nizamuddin and together will take care of the work there.
  • Bay’ah (Oath of allegiance) will be stopped in Nizamuddin Markaz.


Too many eye witnesses to this historical Mashwara and has even been testified by Bhai Wahab and Maulana Yaqub in their letters.

More details here => https://tablighi-jamaat.com/maulana-saads-treacherous-violation-1995-agreement/


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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2023 11:38
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These are from authentic reports.

1. in June 1993, it was haj season, elders from across the world met in Makkah, decision was taken that henceforth decisions on tableegh effort will be taken by shura. (This Shura's decisions can be taken as decision by Ameer.)

2. In August 1993, in India, the names of this shura members were declared. 5+4+1 from sub-continent.

3. Maulana Saeed Khan sab Makki RA requested Hazrat Jee RA to clarify on who will be taking the final decision in the shura. Hazrat Jee RA clarified, select a Faisal among your shura members.

4. This shura from that day on wards took decisions till the day Hazrat Jee passed away on June 1995.

5. After Hazrat Jee Inaamul Hassan RA passed away, this shura met like their routine meet, a faisal was selected, after consultation, it was decided that :

(i) There shall be no Ameer from that day. Faisal from shura will take decisions.
(ii) Baiyyath is discontinued in banglay waali masjid.
(iii) For daily decisions related to banglay waali masjid (India), 3 faisals will take decision by turn,
3 days for each member. (Later all five were taking decisions as faisal.... by turn).

for further any clarifications, members can discuss, Insha Allah I shall try to get it clarified through authentic reports, no hearsay, no logical decisions, no qiyas, no assumptions.


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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 25th February 2023 23:17
Mawlana inamul selected 10 people to elect Amir is more closer to seerah version than telling them create a shura.

Mawlana ali hasan nadvi felt sad that TJ werent able selecting an Amir after the death of Mawlana Inamul.

A Jamat who emphasis the role of an Amir and following him strictly, themself not being able to select an Amir is indeed very sad.

Prophet emphasised always appointing amir, he didnt say cause of fitna stop electing Amir and stick to shura.

If such a" holy group " cant come under an Umbrella of Amir, how they will bring the ummah under the flag of khilafat!

Some calling mawlana saad and other deviants.

The day mawlana saad gives up Amiriyat, all group will come together and will propagate same thing which they suddenly calling deviant.

90% false aqeedah of mawlana saad is also present in shura group too. They are just hiding under the banner of "ulama".

Sadly cause of the fitna TJ paid most price in Bangladesh. It made TJ a laughingstock.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 01:20
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1. In which mashwarah majlis the decision taken in 1995 was reversed?
2. In which mashwarah majlis maulana Saad sahib was elevated as ameer of world from 1 of 5 faisal of India?
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 02:33
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Don't respond to shura brothers. Don't waste your time.

In whole world, no one likes to join them even the local public. Kindly ignore them and concentrate in your work bro.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 05:55
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You will never respond to these two questions. You don't have answers to this.

You run away like children or ladies, because you are cornered here. Grow up.....Behave like a man and reply to this.

1. In which mashwarah majlis, the decision taken in 1995 was reversed?

2. In which mashwarah majlis maulana Saad sahib was elevated as :
Ameer of world
from
1 of 5 faisal of India?
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 07:31
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Jazakallah for your input brother. In the times of trial, even the purest of souls, the sahaba, were unable to agree on a single ameer, and there was much blood shed. We can only pray that this trial does not end up damaging our faith and good deeds (whatever little they may be), even through well meaning yet partisan words and actions.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 08:04
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1. In which mashwarah majlis, the decision taken in 1995 was reversed?

2. In which mashwarah majlis maulana Saad sahib was elevated as :
Ameer of world
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1 of 5 faisal of India?
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 09:20
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sir, please excuse me from engaging in this matter, as i am a nobody, and i admit defeat. i leave the heavy lifting to people such as yourself who are vastly more knowledgeable than me in these matters.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2023 09:28
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Respected brother. Kindly present your view on, demanding reply for two basic fundamental questions quoted in my earlier post.

If followers of Maulana Saad sahib don't have reply for these questions, then they have to admit that they have erred, but for peace they can't switch to shura..... shura elders are right in demanding status quo of 1995 from Maulana saad sahib.

The end result is....... hatred of akabir will be removed from their hearts. Demand for reconciliation will come from masses. And supporters of maulana saad sahib will demand reply from maulana saad sahib for these questions.
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