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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 01:49
My personal observations. I maybe right and might be wrong in my perceptions. Or somewhere in between.

And my perception is.

We had members here claiming that Covid 19 virus is real anyone who denies it is a conspiracy theorist.

Then we have members on here claiming that Covid 19 virus is a complete hoax. No such virus exists.
On top of that the Forum has decided that this is the correct opinion and it is incontrovertible and not open to debate.

All claims by the former group are being challenged.

But claims by the Latter group are not being allowed to be discussed. Anyone who questions their claims is being shouted down. And told you are blocked from posting on this thread. As we have seen on the vaccine thread.

Okay I am somewhere on the middle of this and totally confused...could those on both sides of this debate please post their medical credentials. So that simple confused readers like myself can then know individuals are basing their opinions on solid knowledge. Rather then being influenced by (A) The narrative set forth by the Media, Politicians, world governments, medical establishments, United Nations or whatever.

(B) That they are not being influenced by Social Media and Whatsapp and become self-made experts by various theories being propounded on their.

I thank you very kindly and in advance for your assistence.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 01:53
And incase anyone is annoyed by yet another Covid thread.

The member who posted the relevant thread on this topic blocked me from posting on his threads.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 03:17
As salam alaykum brother ibn Auf,

According to forum policy, it is improper to request credentials to settle a dispute.

Also, there are people with stellar credentials on both sides of the debate.

A fitna is something that one cannot accept totally or reject totally.

We are living in times of fitna.

This forum has always been about authentic information about Islam, and Deobandi Hanafi Islam at that.

COVID19 and vaccines are beyond the scope of this forum, so it would be best not to burden the mods/admins with moderating more discussions on such a sensitive topic.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 03:25
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I did not know it is against the rules to ask for credentials of those claiming to have sound medical opinion.

As for Covid 19 in general I was bored with it a year ago after being flooded with posts on social media.

I did not post on this forum for many months, and did not visit that often either. Until just prior to Ramadhan. All I could see what seemed like threads upon threads on Covid.

My apologies for creating yet another thread. But I thought I would just ask this question before taking a much longer break.. This is not the forum I joined. The tone and tenor feels different.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 03:41
Things change, people change.

Some of us just outgrow our cliques.

C'est la vie.

The mods/admins have everyone's interests at heart. They have been making some tough calls over the past year to ensure there is order.

We just need to be patient with people on both sides of the issue. Time does indeed heal.

Your threads are very uplifting. Despite your current hesitation, I would urge you to continue to post on your longstanding threads. Many of us benefit immensely from them, even if we don't say so.

A lot of us old timers have known each other for nearly two decades through this forum and SF, and we've formed human connections with each other for the sake of deen. Some of us can share things here that we cannot share with anyone else in our real-life social circles. The forum is indeed a blessing, and it is a blessing because we have members like you posting.

Whatever you decide to do here on out, I just thought I'd give you my two cents' worth.

Was salam.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 06:22
Neither was wahi revealed upon me, nor was wahi revealed upon them.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 06:33
“The Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: ‘Whoever gives medical treatment (medical advice included), with no prior knowledge of medicine, is responsible (for any harm done).’” (Ibn Majah- 3466)
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 29th June 2021 09:54
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Out of curiosity, have you watched the Plandemic videos shared by Asaaghir?

It is filled with qualified people, members of the government, police testimonials, official information that is well documented and can easily be found. A must watch

It exposes the atrocities carried out by many huge firms simply for capital gain and experiments!

If you haven't watched them, then please do attempt it.

If you have watched them, great. I appreciate that some still find it far fetched. But it's happening!

You will see that originally, the post was blocked, but after taking the time out to watch the evidence, the post was reinstated.

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A beautiful Hadith.

Yet, we are also taught to ascertain the truth. We have views from both sides but those opposing the narrative that is being fed to the public in general is being questioned by those with the same credentials.

We have scholars for dollars, so why can't there be doctors for dollars too?

Scholars have Allah to fear, yet it happens, who do the non Muslim doctors have to fear?

Also, we have scholars and laypeople who take anything and everything to be truthful if heard on the news outlets. Same things go for the doctors.

Shamefully, there are also ulama that are passing judgement based on lies and brushing away questions under the carpet. Whilst others are rightfully adding a disclaimer.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 00:30
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I have watched the first Plandemic video today. Some of the claims of this woman are not verifiable it is just her word and account of what happened behind the scenes during her time working as a researcher in the laboratories and her personal conflicts.

The following site claims to have interviewed her and fact checked some of her medical assertions.

www.factcheck.org/2020/05/the-falsehoods-of-the-plandemic...

Only thing I would agree with her is the corruption of the Big Pharma companies there degree of political influence globally.

As for Scholars for Dollars absolutely there will be establishment Doctors who are out there to make money.

On the flipside there are others who are out there making money by taking contrarian positions on medical issues. Who acquire a cult like following releasing books. Audio lectures through seminars and weekend retreats etc. In particular the diet therapy and nutritional therapy is flooding with them.

So we have Scholars for Dollars on both sides of the argument.

Whatsmore in America the title of Doctor is not only used by conventional medical professionals in the states practioners of alternative therapies such as Chiropractors and Naturopaths also use the title of Doctor. Then you have Doctors who are specialists speaking and writing on topics they have not trained for. Sometimes getting a celebrity endorsement and developing a cult like following.

For example Doctor Caldwell Esselsteyn a well respected General Surgeon wrote a book called: "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease". It is based upon having a plant based diet. Although the book has merit as does the diet for some patients. He has been criticised for one he is not a cardiologist and two he is not qualified in Diet and nutrition. But he is endorsed by Bill Clinton who swears by his diet. And has become very famous and wealthy.

Then there is a Kidney Specialist in Canada called Jason Fung claiming to cure many illnesses through diet including type 1 Diabetes.

A point to note a Doctor will do one module at most on diet and nutrition as part of his medical training.

Diet and nutrition is a seperate degree course. A qualified person in this area will be registered with a national governing body as a Dietician in the U.K.

However altgough you need a degree to be recognised as a dietician. There is no degree required to call yourself a Nutritionist. So you can be doing the same thing as a Dietician but without the degree or the qualifications.

My point is we should not be mesmerised or impressed if someone uses the title of Doctor. They could be from a different field of medicine then the one being debated or from an alternative therapy.

And Just because they are qualified as a Doctor in one field of medicine does not necessarily mean they are qualified specialists in a different field .

We have this problem Islamically as well Dr Zakir Naik who is a specialist in Comparative religion. Switching lanes and giving fatwas on various topics when he is not qualified. Then there are the likes of Javed Ghamdi and Mufti Abu Layth graduates of Islamic institutes taking contrarian positions on many issues. But able to impress because of their use of arabic and misquotations and misrepresentations of religious texts and books. Similar is the case with Engineer Ali Mirza.

So we need to know who we are taking medical knowledge from and what field they are qualified in. Rather then just being impressed by whoever is claiming to be an expert on Whatsapp videos.



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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 00:58
Then we have the following assertion made by Maulana Yasin on a different thread.

"Covid 19 has not been proven to by isolated, purified or contained by any scientist. There is no medical pandemic."

So I googled the above quotation and the following came up along with several other articles.

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-idUSKBN27633R
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 07:49
Fact check lol!

Designed to mislead.

Watch part 2 as well.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 15:02
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There's also www.muftisays.com/forums/63-the-light-side/13908-google-f...

I really don't know what to reply to the brother. He is very lost and I stopped explaining things to people who are capable of seeing but read with their eyes closed.

Using the most anti-knowledge tool to search something I said from open facts and knowledge as some sort of quotation, on a platform that controls results through manipulated algorithms resulting in a Zionist owned corporation web site telling you what to do beleive as fact. Sadly still not proving what I said is wrong but he believes that he has.

There's plenty of information to know the truth on the forum including the emerge of "fact checking"
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 21:23
Maybe the whole thing is plot.

It could be the pro-establishment narrative clique are being programmed. Via google, and reuters, BBC, Associated press so on and so forth. And being totally brainwashed by falsehood and propoganda.

On the other hand the ones who are going with the counter narrative and taking information from social media and social networks. Instagram, Telegram, Whatsapp and whatever else is out there are also being brainwashed by falsehood and propaganda. Perhaps the same people who are indoctrinating the first group are playing both sides of the fence and also indoctrinating the latter group.

Sowing discord in society, pitting both groups against each other.



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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 22:18
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You basically saying that someone is playing devil's advocate.

You are free to be a lab rat, I'm still going to post evidence for the open and positive minded people and it is becoming more apparent that there are not many in this forum.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 30th June 2021 22:45
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"Lab Rat"

Wallahi that's spot on. Literally lining up in queues to get experimental jabs not even medically classified as a "vaccine" except after one dictionary changed the definition to include the mRNA gene modification to be a vaccine. How many alarm bells do people need to wake up. Now there's drive-thru jabs like you're picking up a MacD's burger. No questions, JAB and move on. Remember when people were arguing that they monitor you for safety etc? See how quickly that went out of the window when lab rats just volunteer with no questions asked?

They ask why doctors and scientists don't speak out.
When provided, the hypocrisy of the members shine bright as they simply attack personalities and question the credibility based on Google searches that are already proven to be part of the disinformation campaign proven in Event 201. But do they ever check the people they follow like Fauci, Pfizer, Whitty, Hancock, Boris, Gates etc.? On real web sites, not those set up to misinform. Try bringing these devils up, they'll only have 2 words for you Conspiracy Theorist. That's their get out of jail free card. I am slowly liking that word now because in my head it's changed to mean "truth" - After all, CIA invented that term for to bury truths about the Kennedy assassination. It's worked well for them.

I am really ecstatic about this forum's new policy on misinformation since it's all been proven. Levels the playing field with the disinformation gurus. It's been very pleasant since but I can imagine how much it must be KILLING the Covidians to be silenced the same way the MSM and Big Tech silenced truth tellers. mRNA jab adverse reactions including deaths have now reached a million. See if you can find that on the almighty Google.
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