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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 19:44

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There are two things to know..

1. Taskheer ie, influencing, manipulating or controlling an individual or group through Amaliyat or Sihr

2. Vashikaran same as Taskheer when done by Hindu Tantriks

Both of above have been recorded in history to be used by Muslim as well as Non Muslim rulers.. and the practitioners of both Taskheer and Vashikaran are in demand to date.. from creating rifts among people.. to drawing them towards their side for own vested interests..

Two interesting examples from History..

1. Mughal Emperor Akbar would apart from seeking opinions from his Court Astrologers also held the great Amil of his time Hazrat Shaikh Syed Muhammed Ghaws Gwaliori رحمة الله عليه in high esteem and was granted a Jagir. he was a highly accomplished Amil and author of many books including the famed work Jawahir-e-Khamsa.

( As mentioned in Savioirs of Islamic Spirit / Tareekh dawat o Azeemat by Mufakkir e Islam Hazrat Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali sahab Nadwi رحمة الله عليه ) After his association with Hazrat Shaikh Abdul Quddoos Gangohi sahab رحمة الله عليه he inclined towards Sufism.

I read in another book (cannot recollect name, authored by a non muslim) that when the armies of Akbar marched upon his enemies.. the opposing forces would witness strange phenomenon.. they saw people who did not seem human and terror struck though their ranks..

2. The Army of Emperor Hazrat Alamgir Aurangzeb رحمة الله عليه and their defeat at the hands of Magicians..

As per Alamgir Nama, a chronicle of the first 10 years of Emperor Aurangzeb's reign, Mughal armies feared not the armies of Assam, but the power of black magic that was contained in Mayong. Link - A times of India Report.

Another detailed report on Mayong. link.

The practices of this mysterious place also attracted a student to research and present a dissertation for a degree in Master of Arts in Sociology at a Punjab University. I have yet to read the work in full but shall attach the link here for those interested.

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Moving to the present. every place has its share of the occult.. and as far as politics is concerned there is no divisions among Hindu or Muslim politicians who do not seek the assistance of Tantriks and Amils for personal and political gains..

" Chandraswami " might ring a distant bell in some of u.. a Tantrik associated with former Indian Prime minister P.V Narsimha Rao.. u might be amazed to read his international clients list.. just do a wikipedia search on him (since link cannot be attached) .

A top Muslim Amil in Hyderabad (india) is a BJP supporter.. so are sights of Muslim politicians not uncommon at Hindu temples..

As for your question on the Zionists using Black Magic for Political manipulation.. then u might not be wrong..

I have heard something similar from a Scholar who is also a Khalifa of Hazrat Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali sahab Nadwi رحمة الله عليه .. khair May Allah سبحانه وتعالى keep us All safe.. Ameen..

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 20:02

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That is not my classification sister.. but a gist from Fatawas and Tafseer..

Here.. Majmoo’ Fataawaa Wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah Li Samaahat Al-Shaykh Al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd Al-‘Azeez Ibn Baaz (May Allaah Have Mercy On Him), P. 65

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Sihr and its Types

Question: Is sihr (magic, witchcraft) real? Does it have any effect? What are its types?

Answer

Praise be to Allah.

Praise be to Allaah.
Praise be to Allaah and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allaah, and his family and companions and those who follow his guidance.

Sihr is a serious crime and is one of the kinds of kufr. It is one of things with which people have been tested, in the past and currently, among the nations of the past, during the Jaahiliyyah and in this ummah. The more ignorance increases, the less there is knowledge and awareness of faith, the less attention the authorities pay to this matter – the more the practitioners of sihr and trickery increase and spread in the land, to take the people’s wealth and confuse them and do other things.

When knowledge prevails and faith increases, and the Islamic authorities are powerful, the number of these evil people shrinks and they move from one land to another, seeking a place where their falsehood will be accepted and they will be able to engage in their trickery and corruption.

The Qur’aan and Sunnah have described the kinds of sihr and the rulings on these matters.

Sihr is so called because its means are hidden or secret, and because the practitioners of sihr deal with things in secret which enable them to perform illusions to confuse the people and deceive their eyes, and to cause them harm or steal their money, etc., in a secretive manner so that in most cases nobody realizes what is happening. Hence the last part of the night is called sahar, because at the end of the night people are unaware and they do not move about much. And the lungs are also called sahr, because they are hidden inside the body.

According to sharee’ah, the meaning of sihr is what the magicians do to delude and confuse people, so that the one who is watching thinks that it is real when in fact it is not. As Allaah said concerning the magicians of Pharaoh (interpretation of the meaning):

“They said: ‘O Moosa! Either you throw first or we be the first to throw?’

Moosa said: ‘Nay, throw you (first)!’ Then behold! their ropes and their sticks, by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast.

So Moosa conceived fear in himself.

We (Allaah) said: ‘Fear not! Surely, you will have the upper hand.

And throw that which is in your right hand! It will swallow up that which they have made. That which they have made is only a magician’s trick, and the magician will never be successful, to whatever amount (of skill) he may attain.’”

[Ta-Ha 20:65-69]

Sihr may involve things that the magician does when tying knots on which he blows, as is referred to in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):

“And from the evil of those who practise witchcraft when they blow in the knots”[al-Falaq 113:4]

And it may involve other things which they manage to do through the shayaateen (devils), so they do things that may affect a man's reason or make him sick; they may cause division between a man and his wife, resulting in her looking ugly to him, or by making her hate her husband or be put off by him. This is blatant kufr as the Qur’aan states. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They followed what the Shayaateen (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaymaan (Solomon). Sulaymaan did not disbelieve, but the Shayaateen (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic”

[al-Baqarah 2:102]

Allaah informs us that they (the shayaateen) committed kufr by teaching men magic. Then He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Haaroot and Maaroot, but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, ‘We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).’”[al-Baqarah 2:102]

Then Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allaah’s Leave”[al-Baqarah 2:102]

i.e., this magic and any harm that results from it is subject to the prior decree and will of Allaah, for our Lord cannot be overwhelmed and nothing can happen in His Dominion against His Will. Nothing happens in this world or in the hereafter except by His prior decree and His great wisdom, as He wills. So some people may be tested by sihr, and others may be tested by sickness, or by being killed…etc. Allaah is All-Wise in all that He wills and decrees, and in all that He prescribes for His slaves. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allaah’s Leave”

[al-Baqarah 2:102]

i.e., by His universal (kawni) will and decree, not by His legislative (shar’i) will [i.e., He wills that it should happen but He does not enjoin it and He is not pleased by such actions]. For sharee’ah does not allow such things, indeed it forbids them, but by His universal leave He already knows and has already decreed that So and so will do sihr, and that So and so will be affected by sihr, just as He already knows and has already decreed that So and so will be killed, or afflicted with a certain sickness, or will die in a certain land, and will receive such and such provision, or will be rich or poor. All of that happens by the will and decree of Allaah, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have created all things with Qadar (Divine Preordainments of all things before their creation as written in the Book of Decrees Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz)[al-Qamar 54:49]

“No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but it is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz) before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allaah”

[al-Hadeed 57:22]

The evils that come at the hands of the magicians or others do not happen because our Lord is ignorant, for He knows all things and nothing at all is hidden from Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, Allaah is the All-Knower of everything”[al-Anfaal 8:75]

“that you may know that Allaah has power over all things, and that Allâh surrounds all things in (His) Knowledge”[al-Talaaq 65:12]

So Allaah knows all things, and nothing happens in His Dominion that He does not will, but He has perfect wisdom and good aims in whatever He decrees should happen to people of honour or humiliation, losing or gaining power, sickness or health, magic and other things.

Everything that happens to people happens by the will of Allaah and in accordance with His prior decree. These magicians may perform their illusions, as stated in the aayah quoted above (interpretation of the meaning):

“They said: ‘O Moosa! Either you throw first or we be the first to throw?’

Moosa said: ‘Nay, throw you (first)!’ Then behold! their ropes and their sticks, by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast. [Ta-Ha 20:65-66]

It appeared to the onlooker as if these sticks and ropes were snakes, moving fast in the valley. They were only sticks and ropes, but the magicians, through what they had learned, made what they demonstrated before the people look different in their eyes to what it really was.

Allaah says (interpretation if the meaning):

“by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast”

[Ta-Ha 20:66]

And in Soorat al-A’raaf Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He [Moosa] said: ‘Throw you (first).’ So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them, and they displayed a great magic” [al-A’raaf 7:116]

But in fact their sticks and ropes did not change; it was the people’s sight which changed because of the sihr, so they thought they were snakes, because of the illusion brought about by the magicians. Some people call this taqmeer, which is when the magician does things to make a person not sense reality as it really is, so his eyes do not see what is really there and things may be taken from his shop or his home without him realizing it, i.e., he does not know what is really happening.

So he may see a rock as a chicken or as an egg, and so on, because reality has been changed in his eyes because of the confusion wrought by the magician, and because his eyes have been bewitched. There are things that the magicians do with certain substances to make people’s eyes not see what is really happening. This is the kind of magic which Allaah describes as “great” [i.e. serious, powerful] in Soorat al-A’raaf (interpretation of the meaning):

“… So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them, and they displayed a great magic” [al-A’raaf 7:116]

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Above was just to cite an example on the types of sihr.. i shall post later some other time in detail from the works of our ulema إن شاء الله

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I read in another book (cannot recollect name, authored by a non muslim) that when the armies of Akbar marched upon his enemies.. the opposing forces would witness strange phenomenon.. they saw people who did not seem human and terror struck though their ranks..

I've heard similar but in the times of the Afghan war and I think in the Bosnian war too, except that we've understood it as the help from Allah in the form of angels, Wallahu alum.

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 20:34

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Mughal Emperor Akbar would apart from seeking opinions from his Court Astrologers

So He committed shirk? Did he renounce it before he died?

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He committed many things.. They say he repented in the last 5 years of his life.. wallahu Alam..

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 20:41

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abuzayd2k wrote:

There is disagreement on this issue among the experts

What disagreement brother.. what do u disagree with.. Maujazah.. Karamat.. Istidraj.. Sihr.. which experts disagree..

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What Colonel Sahab is driving at is the analytical data based conclusion, which should resonate well with the scientifically inclined among us

What colonel sahab has given u are copy pasted Ayats of Qur'an for u to derive conclusions from.. I did not know that u have become so scientifically inclined all so soon that u started to make conclusions of ur own on the Qur'an.. Great..

Neither iam superior to anyone.. nor colonel sahab.. we are brothers here.. there is no need to align with someone.. stand ur ground if ur right.. or Agree and correct urself when wrong.. simple as that..

Colonel sahab is definitely wrong here.. and i shall prove it إن شاء الله .. if he accepts Alhamdulillah.. if not its up to him.. nothing personal to taken..

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but his views are tinted by his background in tasawwuf, which require certain leaps of faith.

My veiws are always from what i have learnt from the works of ulema and Mashaikh ( And i have references for that) .. Alhamdulillah .. nothing of my own.. and how can someones veiws be tinted by Tasawwuf.. do u even know what ur talking brother..

So u shall discard All the views of Darul uloom Deoband.. Nadwatul ulema.. Mazahir ul uloom saharanpur.. Darul uloom Dabhel etc.. because their pious founder's views were tinted by Tasawwuf.. is that ur logic..

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One view caters to the intellect, the other caters to the heart

The only veiw i cannot understand here is urs.. :-)

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 21:30

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Dearest Colonel sahab.. before we embark on another debate let it be known to the brothers here that even after any amount of heat we continue as brothers from the next day on our whatsapp.. :-) so there is nothing personal to be taken by us.. or should be taken by if our opinions collide.. Yes our hearts should remain as one.. beating for the ummah إن شاء الله with the love of Allah سبحانه وتعالى ..

"Muadh_Khan wrote:

Causing rain is well known scientifically and we call it "Cloud seeding" and the technology will only improve with time, nothing to do with Magic etc.

I would disagree Colonel sahab.. the Extraordinary powers given to Dajjal are even accepted by salafis.. we do not accept the views of Imran Hossein as how he ascribes such with his own 'rational thinking'..

The following is by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (haf) (link)

Who is the Dajjaal

Question: Who is the Dajjaal and what are his attributes?

Answer:

Praise be to Allah.

Praise be to Allaah.

Meaning of the word Maseeh (Messiah)

There are over fifty scholarly comments on the meaning of the word Maseeh (Messiah). They said that this word is applied both to the Truthful One [True Messiah, i.e., ‘Eesa (Jesus)] and to the misleading liar [the “antichrist” or Dajjaal]. The Messiah is the Truthful One, ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary), the Messiah of guidance, who healed those who were born blind and lepers, and brought the dead to life by Allaah’s Leave.

The false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is the liar who leads people astray, the messiah of misguidance who will tempt people by means of the signs that he is given, such as bringing down rain, reviving the earth to bring forth vegetation, and other “miracles.”

(I dr76, have omitted the in between text for brevity, please see the link )

The fitnah of the Dajjaal

The fitnah of the Dajjaal will be the greatest fitnah from the time Allaah created Adam until the Hour begins. This will be because of the mighty miracles that Allaah will create with him, which will dazzle people’s minds and amaze them.

It was reported that he will have a paradise and a hell with him, but his paradise will be his hell and his hell will be his paradise. He will have rivers of water and mountains of bread. He will command the sky to send down rain, and it will rain, and he will command the earth to bring forth vegetation and it will do so. The treasures of the earth will follow him, and he will travel rapidly, like clouds driven by the wind.

And he will do other extraordinary feats.All of that was mentioned in the saheeh ahaadeeth. Imaam Muslim narrated in his Saheeh that Hudhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The Dajjaal will be one-eyed, blind in his left eye, and will have thick hair. He will have a paradise and a hell with him, but his paradise will be a hell and his hell will be a paradise.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 5222)

Muslim also narrated that Hudhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘I know what the Dajjaal will bring with him: he will have two rivers flowing. One will clearly look like water and the other will clearly look like blazing fire. If any one of you sees that, let him choose the river which looks like fire, then let him close his eyes and lower his head and drink from it, for it will be cool water.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 5223)

In the hadeeth of al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan about the Dajjaal, it is reported that the Sahaabah said: “O Messenger of Allaah, how long will he stay on the earth?” He said, “Forty days: one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days like your days.” … They said, “How fast will he travel through the earth?” He said, “Like the clouds when they are driven by the wind. He will come to some people and call them, and they will believe in him and respond to him.

Then he will command the sky to rain, and the earth to bring forth vegetation, and their cattle will come back to them in the evening, with their humps very high, and their udders full of milk, and their flanks stretched. Then he will come to another people and will call them, but they will reject him. So he will leave them and they will be stricken with famine, with none of their wealth in their hands.

He will pass by ruins and will say, ‘Bring forth your treasure!’ – and the treasure will follow him like a swarm of bees. Then he will call a man who is brimming with youth, and will strike him with a sword and cut him in two, then (he will put the pieces apart from one another) the distance of an archer from his target. Then he will call him, and the young man will come forward smiling, with his face shining.” (narrated by Muslim, 5228)

Al-Bukhaari narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) that this man whom the Dajjaal will kill will be one of the best people, who will go out to the Dajjaal from the city of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and will say to the Dajjaal, “I bear witness that you are the Dajjaal of whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us.” The Dajjaal will say (to the people): “What do you think – if I kill this man then bring him back to life, will you have any doubts?” They will say, “No.” So he will kill him, then bring him back to life. Then he (the believing man) will say, “By Allaah, I have never been more sure about you than I am today.” The Dajjaal will want to kill him but will not be permitted to. (al-Bukhaari, no. 6599)

According to the hadeeth of Umaamah al-Baahili (may Allaah be pleased with him), the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said of the Dajjaal: “Part of his fitnah will be that he will say to a Bedouin, Do you think that if I resurrect your father and mother for you that you will testify that I am your lord?’ He will say, ‘Yes.’ So two devils will appear to him in the image of his father and mother, saying, ‘O my son, follow him for he is your lord.’” (Narrated by Ibn Maajah, no. 4067. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, hadeeth 7752).

(Rest contd in the link above)

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so colonel sahab.. do u still deny Istidraj of Dajjal or want to go the Emran Hossien way.. :-)

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No transformation of matter takes place as people's perceptions are altered.

And i shall say that the the opinion of the Scholars of Ahlus sunnah wal jamaat is that :

" Magic can bring change in Physical matter"

إن شاء الله i shall bring references for above statement..

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 22:27

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Salaam

I am not claiming to know anything. But I like to explore things. What is to say that all these feats (or some of them) carried out by dajjal will not be from non supernatural means, such as advanced technology?

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd September 2020 22:39

For example, will dajjal fly on a huge donkey, or will it be something else like a plane?

(I haven't verified the translation of the following hadith. I just lifted them from a website as is. )

Dajjal’s Donkey

1. Jabir bin Abdullah رضي الله عنه narrated. That Prophet (saw)

while discussing about Dajjal said: And his donkey on which he will arrive, will have a span of 40 hands between his two ears.[Musnad Ahmad].

2. Ibn Umr رضي الله عنه narrated: Prophet (saw)

while discussing about Dajjal said: He will have a donkey whose span between two ears will be 40 Ba.[Kunzal Amaal].

3. Abu Hurrairah رضي الله عنه narrated that Prophet (saw)

said: Dajjal will come on very white donkey.Whose span between two ears is 70 Ba. [Bihaqqi].

4. Prophet (saw)

said, “The distance between the two ears of the Dajjal's donkey will be 70 cubits” [Baihaqi, Meshkat].

5. Nawasرضي الله عنه bin So'man narrated that : Prophet (saw)

said, “The Dajjal's movement will be very fast. It will roam the sky like a cloud driven by wind.” [Muslim, Tirmizi].

6. One of the companions asked,” O Allah’s Messenger, how fast will he travel? Thereupon he (saw)

said,” like cloud driven by wind”. [Muslim,Tirmizi] . And in one Hadiths Hazoor SAW said about Dajjal that it will land on every water and ferry except Madinah and Makkah as Allah has prohibited these two cities for DAJJAL.

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Dear Dr Sahab,

I hope you are well.

Elders have a right over us, so I accept defeat and humbly bow out.

I don't know all the facts, so I will leave this debate to the experts.

Also, I re-read my post quoted above and admittedly it was disrespectful to you, and I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

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May Allah SWT give barakah in your ilm.

Thanks for sparing your precious time for replying.

I hope remedial actions are moving on for this.

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Many Hadith use metaphors as exact wordings or knowledge was not available.

Just like the Hadith of the whip attached to the thigh or string like things that will tell people what is happening at home when they are away. In other words, a mobile phone.

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd September 2020 06:35

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Wa Alaikum Assalam w.w.

Apologies form my side too.. i do feel those words were harsh and have deleted.. Plz do so from ur quote as well..

All good brother..

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd September 2020 06:44

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I have grown to respect Mufti Tariq Masood sahab (db) over the last few years.. indeed an upright man with knowledge of his field..Masha Allah..

His research in two faculties are yet to grow.. History and Amaliyat.. And May Allah سبحانه وتعالى improve him in these.. Ameen..

Certain statements of his were a point of discussion from a bayan in 2015.. Here is the discussion.. (LINK) (Transcript And Translation of Bayan)

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd September 2020 07:09

Could be a possibility,
India is relying more on sihr power while facing China on its border.
It could turn out to be a disaster.

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