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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 14:50
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I'll get my coat.


Don't forget to let the door hit you on the way out : P
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 14:52
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Again assuming what my reaction will be or what it won't be.

I personally don't pray with social distancing and still In Sha Allah never will. I have 30 other people praying Jummah with me and it is perfectly legal due to us standing in rows with our respective social bubbles of 10 people. There are work arounds. Some of my teachers pray with social distancing and others don't at all. But all of them cry to Allah over the situation.
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 14:52
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I'm feeling left out.

I need a faaaaatwaaa.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 14:58
Pakistan Zindabad has no social distancing.
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:14
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We respect your actions and wishes but...

Fair enough but try to grasp the issue from an Islamic point of view. What you do or your teachers isn't necessarily compatible or consistent with Islamic Shariah, its personal action.

According to Islamic Shariah, the position of Darul-ulooms (i.e Institutions) when they have a united position (as it is on this issue) is a stronger position while Tafarrdut (although it gives you warm fuzzy feeling) is the weaker position.

This is Islam.

Drop the hate, the poison and argue from a Shariah perspective.

These are well known issues in Fiqh and nothing extraordinary.
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:26
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What about India Murdabad?














Just joking.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:31
Example: I do not have Pictures taken and believe that photography is against Sunnah and I dislike it but my position is the weaker position in Fiqh.

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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:34
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This is a difference of opinion from a Shari' perspective:

muftionline.co.za/node/256

The first view is the view of Allamah Ibnu Khuzaimah (rahimahullah), Allamah Ibnu Hajar (rahimahullah), Allamah Tabari (rahimahullah) and others. According to these Ulama, there are no sicknesses that are contagious in Islam.

The second view is the view of Allamah Bayhaqi (rahimahullah), Allamah ibnu Salah (rahimahullah) and others.

These Ulama hold the view that though all sicknesses come directly from Allah Ta’ala, Allah Ta’ala has created certain causes for these sicknesses to come about.

Moulana Ashraf Ali Thaanwi (rahimahullah) explained that both the above-mentioned views of the Muhadditheen and Ulama are substantiated from the Hadith. Hence, whichever view one wishes to subscribe to, one may do so.

Please stop this. We know that the situation is such that muslims are subdued by Kuffar dominance in Most places.
Pakistan Zindabad.
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:37
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I already responded to this post in another thread. There is no difference of opinion on this anymore. Past Ulama were understanding the hadith and providing reconciliation and solutions based on their knowledge of medicince and science in their eras. Many of Their theories in medicine have since been proven false.
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:39
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Who made you an authority?

There clearly still is.
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:45
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One does not have to be an authority to figure that out.

This is from Shaykh Hamza Wald Maqbul, very much a Deobandi, even if he wouldn't call himself one. I don't like his style nor agree with many things he says, but this is a good explanation


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Abū Mu'īn Nasafī in his master book on Kalām, Tabsirat al-Adillah, one of the greatest & most robust books on the correct Aqīdah of Islām, writes about when certain texts seem to go against known realities.

With all of the discussion regarding contagion, I find it relevant. (Speaking about a certain matter,) that which comes from the hadīth about the issue is from the Āhād (narrations tracked in single chains) & is brought in seeming conflict with what is rationally indicated.

Whatever is brought from Āhād hadīth doesn't qualify as a proof in matters of Aqīdah, even if they are rationally possible, because (Āhād narrations are based on preponderance &) they do not indicate complete certainty.

If that is the case, how can it be accepted when it conflicts with that which is even rationally possible?

In such a case (where a hadīth clashes with rational possibility), its apparent meaning is not taken as a point of Aqīdah, rather it is discarded [only in on the context of Aqīdah], or interpreted as metaphorical [in a way that isn't rationally problematic].

"In the context of the claim that prophetic guidance holds there is no contagion, many are irresponsibly bandying his Mubārak Hadīthﷺ as if one who accepts contagion as a mode of transmitting illness is somehow a faith-deficient Muslim.

This is ignorance & incompetence.The fact is even classical Ulamā did not agree that there is no such thing as contagion.

Far from being Aqīdah to them, it was a point of disagreement as to what the hadīth of "there is no contagion" means.

Many held that it meant Allāh initiates cause & effect, like contagion.

Although the initial tract is about when the rational is irreconcilable with the hadīth, the fact is that empirical observation also is a means of certainty affirmed by the Sharī'ah, otherwise miracles are pointless.

Thus in light of actually being able to observe how contagion works in the lab, it is methodologically disingenuous to claim categorically that there is absolutely no such thing as contagion as a point of creed.

There will be anti-Usūlī scholars who will claim their right to hold such a conception, as it is a "difference of opinion."

How ironic, the opinion will be culled from the Ummah through the mechanism of Darwinian survival of the fittest, may Allāh grant paradise to every Muslim.

Summary:

For the rest of us, Islām doesn't demand that we not accept contagion as real.

Not because a Harvard lab monkey told us, but because our own tradition did.
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:46
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I hope the members here remember that coats were considered a biddah!

Things change, times change, fatwa change.

Knowledge changes along with time and understanding.

If the members understand that, we can return to a peaceful forum
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:49
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As I said and with the greatest respect you lack the necessary knowledge and expertise to be able to actually understand what you are quoting.

Whenever you wish to adopt some humility feel free to ask what am I missing?

The issue is between:

  1. Tafaruddat of Ulama (individual opinions) VS
  2. Established positions and unanimity of Darul-ulooms


You are continuously referring to Tafaruddat (of Ulama) and the basis (due to difference of opinion) etc. The Shariah position in the matter (and position of Akabir of Deoband) is that a person who follows Tafaruddat of Ulama falls into misguidance.

Let me make it even simpler for you (perchance that Allah Ta'ala's Mercy penetrates the poison in your heart).

  1. Mufti Zarwali Khan believes that Strawberry is Haram
  2. It is the combined and unanimous positions of Darul-ulooms that Strawberry is Halal


Mufti Zarwali Khan's position (1) is based on external appearance of strawberry and its likeness to Zaqoom (of Hellfire) and you may even find some scholars who may have held this position.

Nevertheless, the end position of his (i.e. 1) is his individual position even if you quote me 45 others scholars who believe strawberry to be Haram. Nobody hates Mufti Zarwali Khan for it or denigrates him for this (lone) opinion.

The position of "not Social distancing in Prayer" could be based on an interpretation and you may quote me Ulama who held that interpretation BUT the end result (i.e. Fatwa) of distancing during Salah for a valid reason remains permissible in the Hanafi Madhab and DOES NOT invalidate the Salah.

Again, you have warm fuzzy feeling inside your chest and you may feel superior to other Muslims but it does not mean that you are following the Shariah sanctioned position and even if you have Ulama around you who are doing these things.

Importantly, your "Alim" tells you are that you should not be on this Forum so you are committing a Haram by even being here. If you can disregard his Fatwa on using Forums (because you choose to) then we disregard his Fatwa on distancing in Prayers due to combined and unanimous opinion of Darul-ulooms.
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 15:56
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You are based in Canada right?

My dad's first cousin, only 46 died of this Virus possibly because of the lack of social distancing in Canada.

She was asthmatic, but not severely. She leaves behind her parents, husband and children.
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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2020 16:00
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Overwhelming majority of Canadians and Muslims are Social distancing and it is also the opinion of Canadian Ulama to Social distance.

This brother (with due respect and deference) isn't even in the minority in Canada.
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