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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2020 16:12
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 9th June 2020 16:30
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Alhamdulillah that is a very fruitful bayan. But I need a written document. Our guidelines discussed in detail.
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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 01:03
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Jazakallah. I brought this upon myself by not being explicit enough.
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Our respected sister has clarified better than I ever could.
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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 01:39
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The two groups of Muslims that live in Indo-Pak are facing a challenge. Pakistan was established as an Islamic state. When the Muslims of India heard this call for an Islamic state, a large number of them abandoned their lands, their ancestral properties, and migrated to Pakistan. Many made the ultimate sacrifice during the partition, and this was only for the sake of Islam. Many Muslims were also held back by the Ulama to keep Islam alive in India. Muslims had previously ruled over these lands for nearly 800 to 1000 years. As a result, tens of millions of Muslims stayed back.

Both Muslims of India and Pakistan are working for Islam in their respective lands. They are both fulfiling important responsibilities. If some Muslims had not stayed back, India would have become another Spain. Spain had been under Islamic rule for hundreds of years. Today there is no sign of Islam left in Spain. The masajid and madaris of Qurtuba and Andalus have fallen silent. Today, India is also considered a land of Muslims. They have a powerful Muslim voice that is heard by the global Muslim community. The Muslims of India need to make sure that Islam remains vibrant in their lands.

A large part of our Islamic heritage here in Pakistan comes to us from the Doaba region of India - Gangoh, Nanauta, Shamli, Deoband, Saharanpur, Thana Bhavan, Raipur. The Islam that is taught in our madaris and masajid is imbued by the memories of that region of India. Many of the books that we use for Islamic guidance are written by the Ulama of India. The Muslims of India are responsible for safeguarding the Islamic heritage of those Ulama.

The Muslims of Indo-Pak have kept Islam alive in their respective lands. They have also taken the message of Islam to all corners of the world. Muslims from all over the world have come to Indo-Pak to learn about the Deen.

So, instead of being disheartened by the fact that Muslims are being oppressed everywhere, we should remember that in spite of being a (politically) weak entity, Muslims are rising to the challenge (of protecting Islam).
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 10th June 2020 01:52
Our elders in tabligh have explained the differences in temperament between the Muslims of India and the Muslims of Pakistan as follows:

In Pakistan, the guiding principle is saathi tootey, par usool na tootey (we will not compromise on principles and maintain order at all costs).

In India, the guiding principle is usool tootey, par saathi na tootey (we will compromise on principles to maintain unity).

Tablighis the world over have said that Raiwind (Pakistan) is like our father, and Nizamuddin (India) is like our mother. The father's disposition is necessary for our tarbiyyah (reformation). The mother's disposition is necessary for our nurturing.

The Muslim ummah needs both Indian and Pakistani Muslims acting in their respective capacities. They complement each other. Each one is incomplete without the other. After all, they are part of the same whole.
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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2020 16:21
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I think the caste system is a bit of a South Asian thing, albeit taken from the Hindu culture and nothing to do with Islam. I thought in Pakistan they have some form of caste system such as Gujjars, Rajput etc
I used to work at a day service for elderly people for South Asian community and there was one person who I was told by the manager refused to attend if another person attended because he was of a lower caste or used to do a 'menial' job back in the days. These were guys in their 70s and 80s and lived through the partition.
I have to say I used to enjoy sitting with them and asking about their journey during the partition. One of the gentleman and his family migrated from Madhya Pradesh to I think Karachi. Most of the others were living in the Punjab area of India before moving to Pakistan.
Even within the Bangladeshi community I have a good friend whos family are from Dacca (I think majority of Bengalis in UK are from Sylhet) and from what I was advised you rarely see the two groups mix in the UK.
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2020 16:28
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This is 100% true.

In Pakistan, the guiding principle is saathi tootey, par usool na tootey (we will not compromise on principles and maintain order at all costs).

In India, the guiding principle is usool tootey, par saathi na tootey (we will compromise on principles to maintain unity).

In fact, in the time of HazratJee (RA) and Maulana Umar Palunpuri (RA) they used to openly teach us, "The biggest Usool (principle) in Tableegh is knowing when to break the Usools (principles)."

The Indian Tableeghi work was very flixble while Pakistabi Tableeghi work was very regimented and disciplined and each style had its pros and cons depending on the situation and circumstances.

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 13th June 2020 16:36
This post has been reported. It could be due to breaking rules or something as simple as bad use of bbcodes which breaks the page format. We will attend to this soon.
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