I have realised

I have realised that it was incorrect on my part to discuss on an Islamic forum about good behaviour towards non Muslims.

Prefer kind, gentle & measured words over harsh speech

Unfortunately he set the tone and scene when he first came to this forum with a clear agenda to lay blame on fellow Muslims for the treatment of Indian Muslims at the hands of the Hindu mushrikeen.

He was the one trying to create division between 2 groups of Muslims and siding with the mushrikeen due to nationalism and patriotism towards his non muslim rulers.

I don't accept that his English is so weak that he is confused and unable to convey his beliefs. There may be sporadic moments of confusion from time to time due to a language gap, but on the whole he knows what he is saying and what is being said to him.

I have come across people with this patriotic and nationalistic mindset towards a nation of mushrikeen many times both within and outside of my own family so I am very familiar with the argument he is trying to make. I am also very familiar with his mindset and attitude when it comes to discussing the matters of the deen.

He came here to dictate. He did not come here to learn or discuss. He came here with an agenda and was not willing to even acknowledge the other side of the argument. When a difficult question or answer that did not serve his agenda was put forward to him he would ignore, misdirect, and go off on a tangent to steer the discussion back towards his own agenda

He started formulating opinions about the other users without knowing their backgrounds and experiences. He just assumed that people on this forum are mere keyboard warriors and have not contributed or made sacrifices for the deen. He start goading and antagonizing members based on this assumption, but if he was sincere and asked about others credentials then he would have understood better. Only problem with this is that it would not have served his agenda.

I could go on and on. I don't even need to understand Ssaad to understand his mindset as it is the same mindset that is found in indians and tablighis the world over. I have first hand experience of both because I am of Indian heritage and I also used to be a diehard Tablighi just like himself. I also displayed arrogance, superiority, pig headedness, ignorance, etc in the same way as it is the culture of the tablighis the world over. I have been in Tabligh Jamaat to many different countries for months at a time and have found that they all have similar traits. I have also met many good people and some great people in Tabligh Jamaat who have been a huge inspiration and influence on my life, but I have also found that such people eventually either break off from Tabligh Jamaat or they carry out the work in a limited manner without getting involved too deeply.

His main 2 arguments as I have understood it is...

1. Pakistan is responsible for the way the mushrikeen of India treats it's muslim residents. If Pakistan were to refrain from antagonizing India then eventually the mushrikeen would accept and lovingly embrace it's muslim residents as fully fledged Indians.
2. Muslims of India should live with the mushrikeen of India as brothers and sisters of the same nation with universal love and acceptance, and the only thing impeding that is Pakistan.

Ssaad has shown clear hatred towards the Muslims of Pakistan in preference for the mushrikeen of India based on nationality and patriotism towards India, and in doing so has cut himself off and created division between himself and the ummah of Rasoolullah . This actually illustrates why there is a requirement and need in Islam for Muslims to distance themselves from the non Muslims.

Personally I feel that Ssaad should be banned or at least restricted from starting new threads and his replies to other threads should be heavily moderated. The admins of this forum have always been very lenient, but I believe that in Ssaads case they should put aside their leniency as it is difficult to engage with Ssaad and his multiple threads which could end up being a means of misguidance if they remain unchallenged due to the amount of time it takes and due to the reluctance of many members to engage with Ssaad due to futility.

I hope that one day Ssaad sees the error of his misunderstanding and breaks away from whatever and whoever is guiding him towards this misunderstanding.

waise main ne kah diya hai ek islami forum par akhlaq ki bath karna, Islami forum ki tauheen hai.