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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:45

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Still unclear on this one though.

What is non rhythmically? Random banging on the drum?
Or are you referring to the drum beats laid down in typical western rock?

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:46

It's a delicate topic with various views that can oppose each other.

But, the Quran is a Mercy even if listened to. Don't get much out of nasheeds etc.

What would you prefer, nothing, sin, or mercy :)

Recall the verse I posted earlier.

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:49

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Honestly? I'd prefer a clear answer. (Sorry, I'm laughing as I type this)

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:53

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I posted at the same time as you.

I wasn't responding to your post.

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:55

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Ok, just for clarity then, my post was directed at this:

"It's a delicate topic with various views that can oppose each other."

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:57

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.

In principle, it will be permissible to listen to “Islamic” Nasheeds if the following conditions are met: It should

1. not contain sounds of musical instruments ( even though it may be computerized)

2. not be for pure entertainment

3. not have haram content

4. not emulate music

5. not lead to negligence in Salah, the remembrance of Allah and other obligations of Shariah [1]

Very seldom do present day Nasheeds refrain from the abovementioned prohibitions.

It is a norm nowadays that Nasheeds are labelled as “Islamic” despite containing many things that are un-Islamic. The purpose of Nasheeds is

1. To create the love of Allah Ta’ala within the hearts of the listeners.

2. To encourage people to follow the Sunnah of Rasullullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam.

3. To encourage the listeners to inculcate good qualities such as piety, love of Islam and preparation for the hereafter

4. To create an aversion for sin within the hearts of the people.

5. To enjoin good and forbid evil.

And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best

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Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 19:59

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An answer is in your post

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:02

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As far as I know, it is unanimous amongst all scholars that appropriate singing without any musical instruments is absolutely fine. Appropriate singing includes songs that praise Allah, songs about the Prophets (as) and their companions, songs that motivate a person towards good and sway from evil, etc. I suppose something like hymns, but without music.

There is a difference of opinion amongst scholars if the daff is allowed as part of the singing. But generally daff is widely acceptable, even if some scholars disagree. Some scholars argue that daff is only acceptable on very specific occasions and not as a general rule.

There are some people who hold that musical instruments are allowed as part of the 'hymns', but this is a very fringe opinion and is rejected by the vast majority of scholars and schools of thought.

You will find many Muslims who listen to music. But even they will concede that it's wrong.

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:09

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Somehow, I think this is the best answer I have received so far.

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It's a delicate topic with various views that can oppose each other.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:14

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`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).` Bukhari"

So you will find scholars that will falsely allow it.

Do you get it.

As I said, that was not in response to your post as we posted at the same time.

That sentence was in reference to the duff to be more specific

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:15

I suppose music would come up as a cultural difference in some sense as well, hence it might be more difficult for you to understand it's prohibition.

Most of the members here will have listened to music before deciding to turn their life around towards Allah, but most, probably all will have been very conservative about it in some sense. I.e not listening to music around older family members or other older Muslims. So transitioning from listening to music to not listening and accepting that it's wrong is a lot easier as it was already accepted as wrong.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:23

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I fully understand (I think) the intent of the message.

Is he including the daff though? I know that is an instrument that has been around for thousands of years.
If it's widely accepted among the scholars, that would seem to make it okay. Unless you're saying the scholars are wrong.

This is why this subject has confounded me for some time now. I would "like" to keep an accepted form of music in my life, yet exactly what that is has been a very elusive target.

At least until xs11ax was able to precisely summarize it for me.
Unless you're saying he's mistaken?

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:26

Please understand, I'm not trying to be stubborn or obtuse.

I just want to find what's acceptable, since clearly some forms are.

Maybe it's simply the word music that is making it so confusing?

Edit:
Definition of music
1a: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity
b: vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:36

Please note, that under the strict definition of the word, the recitation of the Quran would be considered music.

(I hope everyone understands I am NOT comparing it to conventional music)
The recitation is both ordered and rhythmic and is pleasing to the ear as well.

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2020 20:46

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Please refer to this link:
central-mosque.com/index.php/General-Fiqh/music-and-singi...

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