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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:16
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Absolutely right !
Perfect.
That is exactly how it is...

And more,the economy of people are not dependent on banks,hardly any house is on mortgage,people take loans from each other which is ’interest free’.Same is true for other needs.Those who can afford luxuries live a better life,those who can’t live within their means....

It is the ‘dirty rich’ and corrupt who is affected by changing ‘situations’...
Common people hardly feel the difference between one government or the other or even between democracy and dictatorship:)

As for war,you are right,people have become used to trauma and death.Death in a war situation is predictable up to some extent,what was unpredictable was,when one go to masjid and someone blows himself up,one goes to a market and a blast happens killing dozens,when one is sitting in a bus or train or attending a funeral or children going to schools....

We have passed through it all...

War with India is nothing in comparison :)
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:19
@Abu Muhammed:

I'm not talking about any specific group, rather, problem of terrorism Pakistan is coping with. Even India is facing this problem.

Now see, guidelines for UK people who want to travel to Pakistan.

''Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. You should be vigilant, avoid all crowds, public events, political gatherings, religious processions and sporting events, and take appropriate security precautions.

Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. Densely populated unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, restaurants and places where westerners and the Pakistani elite are known to congregate, are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times and minimize your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk.

Security forces in Pakistan remain on high alert following previous attacks. Alert levels in major cities can fluctuate, and travellers should monitor local media. There may be increases in security force presence and restrictions on movement may be put in place at short notice.

During holy periods/religious holidays, there’s an increased risk of targeted attacks, including on western interests and religious minorities. On 17 December 2017, an attack at the Bethel Memorial Methodist church in Quetta killed nine and injured over 50 people. It’s possible that further Christian gatherings will be targeted in this way.

In August 2018, militants attacked a number of schools, including over a dozen schools in the Chilas, Darel and Tangir areas of Daimer District, Gilgit Baltistan. In security operations that followed, 2 militants were killed and over 30 arrested. Further attacks on schools and security operations in response are possible. You should seek and follow the advice of the local authorities.

There have been a number of recent terrorist attacks in Lahore. At the present time, you should exercise caution travelling to and around Lahore. Busy public places and events are often targeted, including public transport, major international hotels, the airport, parks, shopping malls and religious sites. Government, military and law enforcement facilities are also targeted. See Terrorismfor more information.

On 14 March 2018, an explosion at the Nisar police check post near Raiwand on the southern outskirts of Lahore, close to the Tableeghi (Jamait e Islami) religious centre, caused numerous fatalities and multiple injuries.''
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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:22
Yep, you're a politician :p
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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:29
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:29
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I can write the same kind of warning about UK :)

“In view of brexit,there may be shortage of food in markets creating law and order situation, hospitals may be working on minimal facilities,criminals may be more active,Eastern Europeans immigrants are particularly dangerous these days,blacks may cause problems,stay away from Bradford and some areas of London and Birmingham etc etc”

Nonsense !

Alhamdolillah,after Zara e azb we live almost normal life here:)
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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:42
For those who dont know here in the U.K....India has cornered the call centre market, most U.K. corporations have outsourced to India.

So if we have a problem with our bank account, or eletricity bill, or telephone bill etc. When we make a phone call it is usually someone on the otherside of the world in Bangalore India dealing with our query..just the call centre trade and the technology centres are worth billions to the Indian economy...Any sustained conflict will have a major impact not only to consumers in places like U.K...But even more so for India all these global companies will pull out never to return again.

As for tourism Pakistan has never been a hotbed of tourism only tourist you get us Pakistanis living abroad...India has been a popular location for decades there to it is India that will lose Billions of dollars in tourist dollars.

Many of the goods, and clothes bought in major stores are manufactured in the sweat shops in India...thats worth billions.

So in a nutshell any war will ruin India...! The international corporations will pull out,tourists will stop coming the econony will collapse.

As far as Pakistan goes any foreign investment has been minimal at best.
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:42

There is something which I do not understand.

Indians sent in a series of MIRAGE fighters which are their best of the breed, they were tracked and pushed back by PAF. Let’s say that they were able to bomb and kill Terrorists but they still dropped their bombs in the wilderness and escaped.

The next day they sent MIG-21 which is an older and inferior aircraft to JF-17, let alone F-16…Why would they do that?

It makes no sense and I have thinking about it, without any clues and can only come up with 3 options:

  1. Incompetence: Indians are so incompetent that they actually have not learned the lessons of previous engagement. Each military engagement has “lessons learned” exercises where you learn from previous engagements.
  2. Arrogance: Indians are so arrogant, so overconfident that they sent in MIG-21 after PAF (Pakistan air force) was alert and ready…Thinking not much of Pakistan
  3. Conspiracy: Indians knew that MIG-21 will get shot down and they wanted this scenario to be played out.

If it is 1 & 2 someone in India should be fired from their job.JF-17 will eat a MIG-21 for breakfast everyday! Is Indian Airforce (IAF) really this bad???

W-H-Y???

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:48
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Let’s say that they were able to bomb and kill Terrorists but they still dropped their bombs in the wilderness and escaped.

Kill which terrorists?
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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:49
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1 and 2 seems the most likely...Indians believing there own hype created by the media, and Bollywood.



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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:51

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That is not the issue. You are stuck on symantics, who they killed or did not kill and what to call them is irrelavent to my question.

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:53
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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 11:59
The doyen of middle east journalism Robert Fisk has written an article today titled for the Independent..." Israels fingerprints are all over Indias escalating conflict with Pakistan.."

I dont know how to post a link using an Android..it is an interesting read about the Israeli / Indian military alliance.
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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 12:01

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 https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/israel-india-pakistan-conflict-balakot-arms-trade-jaish-e-mohammed-a8800076.html

Israel’s fingerprints are all over India’s escalating conflict with Pakistan


When I heard the first news report, I assumed it was an Israeli air raid on Gaza. Or Syria. Air strikes on a “terrorist camp” were the first words. A “command and control centre” destroyed, many “terrorists” killed. The military was retaliating for a “terrorist attack” on its troops, we were told.

An Islamist “jihadi” base had been eliminated. Then I heard the name Balakot and realised that it was neither in Gaza, nor in Syria – not even in Lebanon – but in Pakistan. Strange thing, that. How could anyone mix up Israel and India?

Well, don’t let the idea fade away. Two thousand five hundred miles separate the Israeli ministry of defence in Tel Aviv from the Indian ministry of defence in New Delhi, but there’s a reason why the usual cliché-stricken agency dispatches sound so similar.

For months, Israel has been assiduously lining itself up alongside India’s nationalist BJP government in an unspoken – and politically dangerous – “anti-Islamist” coalition, an unofficial, unacknowledged alliance, while India itself has now become the largest weapons market for the Israeli arms trade.

Not by chance, therefore, has the Indian press just trumpeted the fact that Israeli-made Rafael Spice-2000 “smart bombs” were used by the Indian air force in its strike against Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) “terrorists” inside Pakistan.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 12:03
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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2019 12:07
Some people always relate every matter to religion.

When we discuss the bilateral disputes and issues, it doesn't pertain to religion at all.

From religious point of view existence of Pakistan is questionable...

Why..?

For Pakistan was founded on:

*corpses of innocent people

*corpses of masajid

* forced conversion / apostasy of Muslims

consequently, sub-continent Muslim was divided in 3 weak parts.

Will Pakistan not face the wrath of Allah swt for all this...?

Interest thing is that Pakistan was founded as an islamic riyasat ; and who was the first khalifa...???

Him being a Muslim or not is questionable. If he was a Muslim prior to existence of Pakistan.... ? undoubtedly, he was not a religious Muslim'.

Which sect of Islam did Mohammad Ali Jinnah belong to, Shia or Sunni?

Though it is commonly believed he was a Shia, Khaled Akhtar, a Communist, has evidence that the Quaid-e-Azam converted and became a Sunni later.

After Jinnah's death in September 1948, his sister Fatima and then prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan had jointly filed a petition in the Karachi high court describing Jinnah as a ''Shia Khoja Mohammedan'' and sought that his will may be executed under the Shia inheritance law. Again, when Fatima died in 1967, another sister Shirin Bai claimed her property under the Shia law.

But this claim was contested in 1970 by Hussain Ali Ganji Walji in the high court. He maintained that both Jinnah and his sister were Sunnis and hence the property be disposed of in accordance with the Sunni inheritance law.

Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, who appeared as a witness in the case, said that in 1901 Jinnah broke from the Ismaili Shia faith and became a Sunni when his sisters married Sunnis. This may have been a result of the disapprobation expressed by the Ismaili community.

In February 1970, the court rejected the joint affidavit of Fatima Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan which claimed Jinnah was a Shia. By then Fatima Jinnah had already died.

But in December 1976, the court rejected Ganji Walji's plea against Shirin Bai's claim on Fatima's property under the Shia law. Which effectively meant the court had accepted the Jinnah family as Shia.

A high court bench reversed this verdict in December 1984. Now the court maintained that ''while the Quaid (Jinnah) was definitely not a Shia, the issue whether Fatima Jinnah was a Shia or not was also now open to for further inquiry''. Which suggested that Jinnah was a Sunni.

In the 1965 presidential election, Fatima Jinnah, who was pitted against President Ayub Khan, used the Shia card in Shia majority areas.
m.rediff.com/news/1998/may/09jinnah.htm?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_I...
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