Pakistan vs India: Background, Conflict, Analysis

Nice attempts to obfuscate but we are discussing the actions of Indian Muslims here so my discussion is about understanding their perspective.

They do have a perspective and they have reasons for their actions, you (I and others) disagree with them and that’s fine.

It is their country and a part of it is trying to break away with Pakistan’s help.

Your judgement is clouded with emotion otherwise it is a fairly straight forward issue to grasp

The isurgency in Kashmir is indigenous and local.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1aBP1fHuAQ

India will not win this, no nation ever has!

This was going to be the next analysis but the thread got hijacked due to events and fervour from both sides :lol

Alhumdolillah

Part 5: Military Confrontation and End Result

We are Muslims so we begin all analysis by looking into the Qur’aan and Sunnah for guidance. We reject all outwardly, logical and coherent conclusions and submit to the clear text of Qur’aan and Sunnah.

In the case of India, the die was cast by Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) 1400 years ago.

1. There will be a war with India.
2. India will disintegrate.

Wars are fickle and prolonged, there could be short term gains by India and surprises but the end result is inevitable.

Ahadeeth about India:

عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ مَوْلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ :  عِصَابَتَانِ مِنْ أُمَّتِي أَحْرَزَهُمَا اللَّهُ مِنْ النَّارِ : عِصَابَةٌ تَغْزُو الْهِنْدَ ØŒ وَعِصَابَةٌ تَكُونُ مَعَ عِيسَى بْنِ مَرْيَمَ عَلَيْهِمَا السَّلَام

Sayyiduna Thawbaan(RA) , the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There are two groups of my ummah whom Allah will protect from the Fire: a group who will conquer India, and a group who will be with ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) [an-Nasaa’i]

عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رضي الله عنه قَالَ :  وَعَدَنَا رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ غَزْوَةَ الْهِنْدِ ØŒ فَإِنِ اسْتُشْهِدْتُ كُنْتُ مِنْ خَيْرِ الشُّهَدَاءِ ØŒ وَإِنْ رَجَعْتُ فَأَنَا أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ الْمُحَرَّرُ

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) promised us that we would conquer India, so if I am martyred I will be among the best of the martyrs, and if I return then I am Abu Hurayrah the freed (protected from Hellfire). [Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad]

Interpretatation of Ahadeeth about India:

وقد غزا المسلمون الهند في أيام معاوية سنة أربع وأربعين ، وكانت هنالك أمور سيأتي بسطها في موضعها ، وقد غزا الملك الكبير الجليل محمود بن سبكتكين صاحب غزنة في حدود أربعمائة بلاد الهند ، فدخل فيها ، وقتل ، وأسر ، وسبى ، وغنم ، ودخل السومنات ، وكسر الند الأعظم الذي يعبدونه ، واستلب سيوفه ، وقلائده ، ثم رجع سالما مؤيدا منصورا

وما ذكر في حديث أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه الذي رواه نعيم بن حماد من غزو الهند ؛ فهو لم يقع إلى الآن ، وسيقع عند نزول عيسى بن مريم عليهما الصلاة والسلام ، إن صح الحديث بذلك . والله أعلم

The Muslims invaded India at the time of Mu‘aawiyah, in 44 AH, and there occurred things which will be explained below. It was also invaded by the great ruler Mahmoud ibn Sabuktagin, the ruler of Ghaznah who conquered India around 400 AH. He invaded the land, where he killed, took prisoners, and captured booty. He entered Somnath where he broke the greatest idol that they used to worship, and he captured its swords and necklaces. Then he returned, safe and victorious. [Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah be pleased with him) in Al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah]

What is mentioned in the hadith of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah have mercy on him), which was narrated by Na‘eem ibn Hammaad, about the conquest of India has not happened up till now, but it will happen when ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) descends, if the hadith that says that is saheeh. And Allah knows best. [al-‘Allaamah Hammood at-Tuwaijri (may Allah have mercy on him) in Ithaaf al-Jamaa‘ah]

P.S: Next, we will turn to possible military confrontations and scenarios.