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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:11

This is similar to the bayans I referenced. The other bayan was shorter and much more emotional and hard hitting.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:12

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I think the same about the word Paki and Nigger. If anyone finds it offensive then don't call yourselves that either. It makes no sense. I'm aware that it will always be controversial. This is just my view on it.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:20

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I may be wrong, but I think it's those kind who have migrated from Pakistan and they have only got a spouse to fulifill their desires and treat her however they wish.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:29

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It's all sorts. UK born. Pakistani born. Beard. No beard. Hijab. No hijab. The ones I had a run in with today seemed like they were all UK born. 2 of them had beards. One of them was dressed in sunnah. They had attended a janazah at the big barelwi masjid which is near my house.

Some pakistanis in Bradford like to blame this behaviour on the mirpuris. But one of my closest friend is a mirpuri and one of the nicest guys you could meet. It's not a mirpuri problem. This problem is found across all Pakistanis in Bradford. In other towns and cities as well, but Bradford is one of the worst. On the flip side this behaviour is not so bad amongst UK Indian Muslims. It's definitely a pakistani thing.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:40

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They didn't have good upbringing and environment regardless of the fact from where they migrated.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:42

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I can't speak on behalf of anyone, but from what my wife tells me, she always hated men from a young age (she lived in Pakistan until we married). She found them disgusting, perverted and vile - this was based on those Pakistani men that she would see outside schools, in the markets, on the streets, drivers and so on. There were very few men that she would say were decent. However, her experiance is limited only to Karachi (Malir)

After coming to London, she can see a huge differnce in peoples lifestyle and their attitudes. I'm sure if she was to see Bradford, she wouldn't be surprised.

We also live near a large Barelwi Pakistani Masjid too and we do witness the stupidity of the youth but Alhumdulillah we have not heard of such things before, but I'm sure it goes on. Maybe if I was to stay in their company or make friends, then I'll hear of this too - but that's not going to happen, ever!

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 16:49

This is what happens when the only religion in Muslims' lives is the one when they're at a Nikah or a janaaza.

“We were the most humiliated people on earth and Allah gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, Allah will humiliate us again.”

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 17:14

People of the subcontinent are not a single nation. They never have been. They are a mixture of various colours, cultures and races. This is why they are directionless and leaderless. They don't have a set code of morals. Democracy has further deteriorated the situation as leaders are incapable of educating and disciplining the nation because they are themselves uncultured. Sadly, speaking these people have traits similar to Bani Israel.

I once ordered a flex to be developed by a printer. He promised that he will deliver it in a week. When the time he promised came, he started making excuses of sometimes having fault in machinery and sometimes going to brother's wedding. After the second week of frustration I personally went to his shop and talked to his bearded father dressed in sunnah lecturing me about the culture of this country and saying to me that I am inexperienced and this is Pakistan and not Europe. Finally the call to Asr prayer was being said and he went straight to the masjid. I wondered what has he learned from his salah? Salah is an ibadah which teaches punctuality, consistency, discipline and cleanliness and we lack all of these things. Even the practicing ones among us. Why?

Then I realized that we have made this deen into a ritualistic kind of religion and we have stopped pondering. So we have become robots without brains. And I think there are two major factors behind this.

1. Lack of sincerity and the will to learn and improve
2. Distance from Quran in terms of understanding and contemplating.

A person in our area is having difficulty in finding suitable person for his daughter for marriage. His daughter is MSc post graduate. She insists on marrying a practicing man. Now the problem with his father is that he is Rajput and he wants a practicing Rajput. When I asked him that are non Rajputs not Muslims. He said that no. This is not the case but the problem is that if I marry my daughter to non Rajput then there will be cultural differences.

I wondered what kind of person is he. At one hand he wants practicing Muslim and on the other hand he is talking about cultural differences?

Another point which I want to make. Upon my four month tabligh trip, I realized that in those areas where the Imams didn't incite hate speech on sectarian basis, we didn't face misbehavior and hostility. On the other hand those Imams who would incite sectarianism in Friday khutbas, there were certain individuals who wouldn't even shake hands with us.

So Imams should get good salaries and only able and highly qualified ulema who understand the society, it's needs and the true deen of Islam, should be appointed as Imams. People don't come to offer salah regularly but almost everyone or a vast number of people come on Friday prayers. If this opportunity is utilized to truly educate the masses then I think the difference can be made.

In a movie about war between Stalin's Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany, there was a scene when a senior Army officer was asking from his juniors that how can we win this war which we are losing. One of his juniors said that "Give them hope. (The Soviet Army). By publicizing the heroic events of extra ordinary soldiers".

We need heroes in each area. We need examples. We need pious and practicing knowledgeable men. We need true Aulia.

The world is in a hurry. They do the tasbeeh after salah like their family is in grave danger and they have to help them. Or as if the masjid has caught fire. They count tasbeeh on fingers after salah at 1000 miles per minute. And they recite quran in Taraweeh at 10,000 miles per second. There is no more khushu in Salah. People don't spare time to learn the deen and remember their creator. The quality of Salah determines the quality of practice of deen.

In a Salah is dhikr, Quran, Durood and Dua.

Dhikr without remembrance, Quran without understanding, Durood without love and dua without devotion. If the base is so weak then what about the advanced levels of deen?

Solution:

Merge masjid, maktab and practical and true (unpolluted and non bida'ati) tazkiyah center in a single institution i.e. The Masjid and appoint able Imams with reasonable salaries so that good people and good ulema are encouraged to perform this really sacred task. When good Islamic and ethical education will be available in masajid then the masses will start observing real humans and would start learning to behave like real humans.

Of course, the awaited one will be able to do it on massive scale but we must do whatever we can according to our capacity and Allah's taufeeq.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 19:50

A trip to hajj can be a culture shock for those who always lived in the west.

I could swear The bus driver in ihram during hajj days was going to squash pedestrians crossing between busses while blowing his horn loudly at them In bumper to bumper traffic.

I was in a queue at a small supermarket and people (I think Arabs) were going straight to the front of the line.

Walking back to azizyah from jamarat, people were throwing cold water from trucks. Pilgrims were jumping and being aggressive to catch the bottles first, and some had many bottles and refused to part with even one.

I went to a small shop a little distance away from the kabah, and I asked the price of an item, and the I said my friend said he bought them for x dollars. The guy started talking in Urdu and mocking me for speaking English, saying I should speak Urdu. He has obviously never seen Asians who don't speak Urdu.

A group of people from USA but with subcontinent background were staying at aziziya. I was sitting at a table waiting for someone else. Some members from the US group came and took the other chairs from around my table, and they didn't even ask my permission.

I went for a camel ride at Jabal e Rahma. The young Arab kept flashing 10 fingers and saying ashra riyals. I went on one camel and my friend went on the other one. Then they signalled if we wanted to go up the hill. We said OK. Then they asked if we wanted a picture so I said OK, not really studying how we will get the picture. Then they snapped a million pictures of us. When we got to the top they asked for around 250 riyals. Now they decided to explain that going up the hill is an additional 10 riyals and each photo which printed from the instant camera was an additional 10 riyals!

Asian taxi drivers try to take advantage of unsuspecting pilgrims.

Perhaps due to these labels and divisions we have been discussing, there are mutilple jamats of salah under one tent in Mina and Arafat at the same time. I would think the leaders or sub leaders would encourage all groups or sub groups present to pray behind one Imam.

In aziziya different groups or sub groups share the same floor and thus may share bathrooms in the corridors. One elderly lady from USA kept telling my wife in urdu use her own bathroom, this bathroom is for us alone.

Some streets in Mina look and smell like garbage dumps. Not sure if this could be avoided.

I did witness a few acts of generosity from others.

I met an Arab from Syria who was working with the group in Makkah, and he worked them for a few years, yet he never visited Madinah. He said he only drove past madinah a few times.

I met Arabs in US who can speak arabic, but can't read it, so they can't rear Quran.

Alhamdulilah I have no complaints regarding the logistics of my trip.

Two biggest lessons from Hajj:

1) don't rely on creation , only rely on Allah, and how to really make Dua and to make Dua often.

2) zeal to send durood on the Prophet Salalhu alayhi waslam.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 20:16

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All of the above is real. If I would have said it, there would be referrals to the Taliban for apostasy. :lol

As I have said again and again, Pakistanees in Britain have a problem.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 20:19

I went to Birmingham many many years ago and saw a group of Muslim boys sword fighting with the pool sticks.

Mire recently , many cars were driving up a street and one Muslim driver was driving down. Seeing that he was the only one vehicle coming down, he could have reversed and let the other vehicles pass. Instead he just refused to move and the other vehicles had to somehow maneuver so he can pass first.

Eid night some people wanted to go bowling but they were saying the bowling alley may not allow Muslims in that night as some have a reputation of causing a scene.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 20:35

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Pakistanees in Britain have a problem.

Pakistanis in Pakistan also have these same problems.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 25th January 2019 20:45

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Read your message.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2019 05:42

Pakistanis everywhere, is more like it.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 26th January 2019 06:12

Every nation has some pros and cons. I have seen more than one videos where foreigners are telling their experiences about their visit to Pakistan. They say that this nation is the most hospitable yet misunderstood nation. The shop keepers offer free items like chocolate, candies etc. The hotel owners offer food to foreign guests for free. Even Indian visitors express the same view. When Indians came here to watch Pak vs India cricket match, they were offered free food by shopkeepers and hotel owners.

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The people here are highly talented. They just need the right leader.

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