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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 09:04
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If Sir Syed Ahmed Khan's interpretations were only mistakes of ijtihad and he was only a mujtahid then so is Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, right?
Since Dr Ghamidi is still among us (and we pray that Allah Taala gives him long life, and health, and guidance), we warn people that Dr Ghamidi's views are heterodox, but we also chalk his views up to his tafarrudat (idiosyncrasies) out of respect for him as a Muslim.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 09:05
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There are 2 phases in Dr Iqbal RA's life.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 12:02
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 14:06
Someone has a habit of constantly supporting the wrong in any and almost every field. What is the Agenda?

From hypocrites to kuffar to mushriks to atheists and so one. There's always that one person who wants to say something positive about them.

I'm sure in a discussion of the Ahmadia's, this someone will have something in support of the kafir.

Change of name but the views remains and the nonsense follows!
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 14:52
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I'm still not clear on this. If Sir Syed Ahmed Khan's interpretations were only mistakes of ijtihad and he was only a mujtahid then so is Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, right?

My impression, sister, is that both of them failed in Ijtihaad.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 15:41
Can any knowledgeable member shed some light on the scope of ijtihad in Islam?

I'm not sure if the following views of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan fall under the category of ijtihadi mistakes and if he even had a right to make ijtihad on such matters.

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1. There is no such a thing as angels. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 31; Tafsir al-Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 46].

2. There is no such a thing as Shaytan. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 31]

3. Hadrat Adam ‛alayhis salam did not eat of the forbidden tree. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 31]

4. There is no punishment in the grave. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 65]

5. He rejects Paradise and Hell. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 110; Tafsir al-Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 39]

6. There will be no bodily resurrection. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 110; Tafsir al-Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 39]

7. There is no such a thing as doe-eyed damsels of Paradise. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 110; Tafsir al-Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 39]

8. He rejects pre-destination. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 9]

9. He rejects miracles. [Tahdhib al-Akhlaq, vol. 3, p. 31]

10. The heavens do not exist. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 2, p. 52]

11. Ijma‛ is not a valid proof. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 2, p. 52]

12. No abrogation took place in the Qur’an. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 4, p. 16]

13. Pictures of animate things are permissible. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 14, p. 115]

14. Most Ahadith are not authentic. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 14, p. 187]

15. There is no such a thing as jinn. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 5, p. 7]

16. He rejects the miracles of Hadrat Musa ‛alayhis salam. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 5, p. 54]

17. Hadrat ‛Isa ‛alayhis salam passed away and he was not raised to the heavens. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 22, p. 6]

18. Hadrat ‛Isa ‛alayhis salam had a father. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 1, p. 3]

19. He rejects the miracle of the splitting of the moon. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 9, p. 1]

20. He rejects the opening of the chest of Rasulullah sallallahu ‛alayhi wasallam. Anyone who rejects this is not a kafir according to him. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 1, p. 1]

21. He rejects the Mi‛raj. [Ibid]

22. He rejects Imam Mahdi. He will not come before the day of Resurrection. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 3, p. 96]

23. An ordinary person can be equal to a Prophet. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 3, p. 57]

24. No Prophet perfected the teaching of tauhid. (Allah forbid) all their teachings on tauhid were defective. [Nur al-Afaq, vol. 3, p. 63]

25. There is no such a thing as conveying rewards to the deceased (Isal-e-thawab). [Nur al-Afaq, (Jumada al-Ula/Ramadan 96)]

Source: islamreigns.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/the-deviant-beliefs-...


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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 16:14
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Can any knowledgeable member shed some light on the scope of ijtihad in Islam?

I'll leave that to scholars.
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I'm not sure if the following views of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan fall under the category of ijtihadi mistakes and if he even had a right to make ijtihad on such matters.

Let us cut the debate short and declare that he had no rights to do Ijtihad on these matters.
And now that he is dead for 123 years he can not be hanged.
And they, the Ulama who gave Fatwa of Kufr on him, could not hang him.
Now the matter is between him and Allah.
It is true that the Ulama who gave a Fatwa against him were those who did indulge in Jihad against the British.
But these were his followers who saved the Muslim areas, now Pakistan and Bangladesh, from the same fate as we Muslims of India are facing.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 16:25
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You're getting emotional without any need so I won't respond -_-
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 21st December 2021 17:14
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The most alarming bit from the source of your post being:

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It is stated in Tajanub Ahl as-Sunnah that anyone who comes to know of any one of the absolute and certain kufr beliefs of Sir Sayyid and still doubts the latter being a kafir and murtad, or abstains from labelling him a kafir and murtad, then he too is – according to the pure Shari‛ah – most certainly a kafir and murtad. If such a person passes away without repenting, he will be eligible for eternal punishment. [Tajanub Ahl as-Sunnah, p. 86]

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2021 06:36
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You're getting emotional without any need so I won't respond -_-

No, I was not emotional my sister.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2021 12:20
We must reach these ahadees first.
11036-hadees ayesha joe mar gaye unki fikr chhodo.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2021 12:28


If abusing a dead person hurts the living person, stop it.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 24th December 2021 06:46
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2021 22:16
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You really cannot refer to the incorrect views of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi as Tafarrudaat.
Tafarrudaat refers to those views of "authentic Ulama" which are considered incorrect or going against majority opinion hence not followed.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 25th December 2021 22:21
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With due respect Professor sahib, neither Ghamidi nor Sir Syed were/are qualified for Ijtihaad.
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