How to Negotiate with Iran?

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#166 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 16:54

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Netanyahu asking for American involvement Reported by Barak David, CNN Analyst, Writer for Axios, Israeli Journalist former Israeli intelligence.
Netanyahus interview with ABC and Fox News.

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#167 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 16:55

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The body language of Iran suggests, "we don't care about nuclear technolgy". They want no more conflict with Israel, Israel's misadventures must permanently stop.

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#168 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:05

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Khamanei gave a Fatwa in 2003, stating the production and stockpiling of Nuclear weapons is forbidden.

The Israelis have been making claims that Iran is on the verge of producing a Nuclear bomb since 1984.

Netanyahu himself has been regularly making this claim since 1993.

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The main and real aim of this war is to install a puppet government like in the Arab countries. Establishment of military bases, the control of the ports. Etc.
That's what Trump means by no ceasefire complete control and subjugation.

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#169 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:08

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Irans response was predicted and expected by everyone, nutanyahu clearly said we expect waves of attack during his first speech after the attack.

The missile attacks are getting less and less every time, first it was over 200, then in waves of 100 then less, sometimes 20 with most getting intercepted. Why is it getting less? Ill let the the social media clowns on here to explain, especially Comical Ali (google Comical Ali and you will find out why he became famous).

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#170 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:16

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Yes the involvement is for bombing which is all over the news , but does not involve your claims of asking of US troops.

Trump policy is to not involve US troops in foreign wars:

From Guardian today:

US forces have pulled out of two more bases in northeastern Syria, visiting Reuters reporters found, accelerating a troop drawdown that the commander of US-backed Syrian Kurdish forces said was allowing a resurgence of Islamic State.

Reuters reporters who visited the two bases in the past week found them mostly deserted, both guarded by small contingents of the Syrian Democratic Forces - the Kurdish-led military group that Washington has backed in the fight against Islamic State for a decade.

Cameras used on bases occupied by the U.S.-led military coalition had been taken down, and razor wire on the outer perimeters had begun to sag.

A Kurdish politician who lives on one base said there were no longer U.S. troops there. SDF guards at the second base said troops had left recently but declined to say when. The Pentagon declined to comment.

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#171 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:23

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That's what I meant U.S, Air Force personnel, and Navy warships, for missiles and intelligence purposes, recon flights.
No one's talked about land invasion as of yet. Or troops on the ground.

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#172 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:29

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They do it for posturing, sending a signal to someone, they already have assets in Qatar, but moved tankers and B2 bombers in Diago Garcia, plus Nimitz is on its way.

Its a warning to Iran , dont expand this war to other countries or block the Straits of Hormuz when you lose.

Also i can see part of Irans airdefence, its airforce is doing very well, the F14s and Phantoms are holding their own stopping all attacks over Tehran.

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#173 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:29

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Iran's earlier response was symbolic. But this time, Iran's response is real.

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#174 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 17:42

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Donald Trump has posted on social media that the United States knows the location of Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. He added that the US would not kill Khamenei but called for Iran’s “unconditional surrender.”

“We know exactly where the so-called ‘Supreme Leader’ is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!” Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social.

He followed up with a second post a few minutes later, writing: “UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!”

What is irans response?

Under 400 missiles with over 90% intercepted.

Its quite evident the US will enter the war and bomb the deep mountain where enrichment takes place, this will finally end the nuclear program.

The US has done quite opposite to what it claims , its very predictable.

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#175 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 18:49

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If Khameni really did give that fatwa he is a fool. The kuffar don't need Iran or any Muslim country to have nukes to be able to attack them. They do so anyway. Like what happened to Iraq. Infact, nukes deter them. Even now if Iran had successfully acquired nukes, Israel wouldn't have dared to attack.

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#176 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 19:00

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I would generally agree , but it hasn't stopped Ukraine from attacking nuclear armed Russia.

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#177 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 19:09

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His Fatwa argued that Nuclear bomb causes indiscriminate damage and results in the loss of innocent life therefore it is haram.

Source Daily Telegraph U.K.

Revoke fatwa against nuclear weapons, Iranian commanders tell Ayatollah
Iran must have atomic bombs to survive, supreme leader told in extraordinary intervention by regime’s military leaders

Akhtar Makoii
08 February 2025 8:00pm GMT
Iran’s supreme leader must revoke a fatwa banning the development of nuclear weapons if the regime is to survive, his top military commanders have said.

In an extraordinary intervention by leaders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was told that Iran must have nuclear weapons to face down “existential threats” from the West.

The Telegraph can reveal that several senior commanders have U-turned in recent months, since the election of Donald Trump, and are now pressing for the development of an atomic bomb.

“We have never been this vulnerable, and it may be our last chance to obtain one before it’s too late,” one official told The Telegraph.

The fatwa – a religious ruling – was first mentioned at an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) meeting in 2005. In it, Khamenei insisted that such weapons were “absolutely haram”, or forbidden by Islam.

It is the only constraint preventing the development of nuclear weapons, according to several Iranian officials – although exiles recently claimed that work was underway in the Islamic Republic to create nuclear missiles despite it.

An Iranian official told The Telegraph from Tehran, the capital: “The leader has forbidden negotiations with the Americans and the development of nuclear weapons, which seem to be the only ways for survival [of the regime], and he’s driving the regime toward collapse.”

“We have been just a few button presses away from building a nuclear weapon for some time now, but the pressures and justifications for having one are greater than ever.

“The existential threat we now face has led several senior commanders – who previously insisted on following the supreme leader’s guidance – to push for making an atomic weapon.”

The pressure on Khamenei from hardline politicians has been intensifying publicly in recent months.

Dozens of Iranian MPs last year urged their Supreme National Security Council to revise its nuclear policy.
One MP said Khamenei’s fatwa remained in place but suggested that, in Shia Islam, rulings can change “based on time and circumstances”.

Another MP said: “I believe we need to conduct a nuclear bomb test, and there is no other way for us.”

Kamal Kharazi, an adviser to Khamenei, said in November that the supreme leader’s fatwa was the only constraint on developing nuclear weapons.

He said: “If the Islamic Republic of Iran faces an existential threat, we would have no choice but to adjust our military doctrine. We already have the technical capabilities to produce weapons – only a religious decree forbidding nuclear weapons prevents us from doing so.”,..............

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#178 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 19:20

Only a matter of time before the major Iranian cities are completely flattened. Only questions is will the Iranians be able to cause maximum damage before their downfall, or will their reticence cause them to perish with a whimper.

The Americans want a puppet regime, the Israelis will be equally happy for it to be divided into thief doms controlled by competing criminals, and Warring factions, with no real central unity. In the image of Lebanon, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and now Sudan.

In other news there are reports that despite their public protestations the Arab regimes are fully onboard with what is happening. And some like Jordan are even assisting Israel in shooting down drones and missiles heading towards Israel.

A few days ago both Hezbollah and the Shia cleric Moqtadar Al Sadr, head of the leading Shia militia in Iraq, have stated they would not get involved,

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#179 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 19:30

From the Nile to the Euphrates and beyond, they rule the skies with unblinking eyes. Their machines move effortlessly, always watching, striking without mercy. It may take a century before it is reclaimed.

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#180 [Permalink] Posted on 17th June 2025 19:43

In the meantime expect israeli commando raid in Tehran to abduct key figures and to penetrste fordow plant 90m into ground take pics n plant explosives.

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