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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 23:27

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Bismillah.
Scholars these days get regular contacts with people suffering with doubts.
I wonder what would happen if they all responded in the manner you have.

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 01:26

According to this verse:
“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise”

[al-Talaaq 65:4]

In this verse we see that Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that Allaah has made this a valid marriage.

Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her

according to this tafsir does it mean it is allowed to consummate marriage with a young girl who has not menustrated or does this only refer to delayed menustration of women.

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 01:51

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May be you can expand your research on "who won't menstruate"

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 01:55

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Honorable members here are reluctant to participate in your discussion, this is because they are not clear about you and your intention.

If you can clearly mention your requirement... it will help members here to participate in the discussion. But your reply must be a honest one.

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 02:08

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According to which Tafsir??? You have not given any reference.

And you have not been responding to the posts on this thread or the other one. Why are you refusing to engage.?

Why are you failing to reference the Anti-Islam websites
. You are copy and pasting these articles from.?

So then the question is are you sincerely here to seek answers.?

Or you just to here to post a different article on this topic everyday. Not even bothering to read the responses.?

With all due respect this a ambush propaganda tactic used by Evangelical missionaries.

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 03:34

Actually isn't this saying child marriage is illegal unless there's a reason(from Islamqa):

Saheeh "Baab inkaah al-rajul wuldahu (or waladahu) al-sighaar (Chapter on a man marrying off his young children)." The fact that Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and for those who have no courses [periods] [(i.e., they are still immature) their ‘iddah is three months likewise, except in case of death] . . ." [al-Talaaq 65:4]
is an indication that it is permissible to marry girls below the age of adolescence. This is a good understanding, but the aayah makes no specific mention of either the father or the young girl. It could be said that the basic principle concerning marrying children is that it is forbidden unless there is specific evidence (daleel) to indicate otherwise. The hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah states that her father Abu Bakr married her off before the age of puberty, but there is no other evidence apart from that, so the rule applies to all other cases.

Al- Muhallab said: "[The scholars] agreed that it is permissible for a father to marry off his young virgin daughter, even though it is not usually the case to have intercourse with such a young woman."

(The above was summarized from Fath al-Baari Sharh ‘ala Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 03:56

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Ok Yakob I think you have revealed yourself.
So which organisation do you belong to.?
It’s time to give up the charade.
And it’s seems your not here because of doubts but more like you are on a mission.

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 09:48

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I have no agenda I want to be clear and cut and see what is true.

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 10:02

You have already been made aware of what the truth is. If that truth is not to your liking, you can try and bring a lawsuit against Allah. Maybe that will get Him to change His Laws. There is nothing any of us can do about it. We choose to be content with whatever Allah has declared valid for us and whatever He has declared invalid.

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 13:28

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Check PizzaGate.

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 15:32

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Bismillah.

Unfortunately your reluctance to engage in a dialogue, with other members in the last few days. And with just periodically just posting articles. Created the impression that there was an agenda. On Islamic Discussion Forums we occasionaly get Christian Missionaries and Atheists who join and use subterfuge in order to dessiminate propaganda.

In anycase if as you state your only objective is to research and get to the root matter.

Then you have to get in touch with people who specialise in research on these issues.

Sapience Institute has individuals on their team, who are Scholars, Academics, Historians etc. They would be the best people to ask.

sapienceinstitute.org/lighthouse/

And ALLAH knows best.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 18:06

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Is it modernist?

and correct to say its discouraged

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 19:24

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Bismillah.

No my brother that is not modernist.
And as I have posted here www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/14697-having-doub...
Imam Nawawi wrote that during his time it was discouraged by many Ulemah.

Just because something may be legally valid. It does not mean it is mandated.

Certainly in this day and age, and times we live in most Ulemah would discourage it.

Similarly many would discourage a huge difference in age gap.

I even heard an Aalim mention that it was essential to take in to consideration the cultural and social compatability when getting married as well.

Compatibility is very important when assesing the long term prospects of a marriage.

If you have not done so, then I would encourage you to listen to the lecture on this topic by Shaykh Omer Suleiman.
youtu.be/5gDTh-6X9vo

And ALLAH knows best.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 23:43

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A few things:
1. This statement says its preferable not to, does that mean discouraged though? I read its Mustahabb not to and all and regarding that I read this:Thus, if a person does not have any intention to do mustahab acts and abandons them, he is not sinful.

2. But when at least 3 scholars permit such as AskImam(45 marry 12) Islamqa(13 marry 26) and Bilal Phillips(50 marry 9) then that does worry me as those are not right. A child cannot consent really or understand what they are getting themselves into

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2023 00:44

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Bismillah.

ALLAH knows best. I am not a Scholar and I am not qualified to clarify what the Scholars have stated. Or elaborate on those rulings.

What I do know is the medical field states then girls reach puberty at varying ages some as young as 9. And historically puberty was considered a transition into adulthood.

And ALLAH knows best.

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