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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 21st April 2018 09:29

The words paradise and heaven are used interchangeably in the English language. However in Arabic جنة, jannah is paradise and سماء sama is heaven/sky. The seven heavens سبع سماوات  sab'a samawaat mentioned in the Quran, I just wanted to ask are they supposed to be layers above the Earth. 

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 20th February 2023 15:59
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I've taken the advice of brother Abu Mohammed and thought I would share whatever knowledge I have found pertaining to the heavens and the earth's in this thread which I created a few years back.


Answered by Sidi Abdullah Anik Misra

Question: Salam aleikum

Can somebody give me an explanation of this aya 65.12: “Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number (…) “

Is it more than one world? Or two…. humans and the jinn’s. What does this aya means? This is very very interesting for me. I hope I can get an answer soon, inshAllah khayr. Wa Salam and thank you!


Answer: Wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Thank you for your interesting question.

The verse of the Qur’an in Surah al-Talaq reads:

“Allah is the One who created the seven skies, and the earth the like of them. The Command [ie. Revelation] is made to descend between them, so that you may know that Allah is All-Powerful over all things, and that Allah has certainly encompassed all things through [His] knowledge.” [Qur’an 65:12]

Imam al-Suyuti, in his tafsir [exegesis] of the Qur’an, notes that this verse is indicating that there are seven “earths” [or “lands”], just as there are seven skies. [Tafsir al-Jalalayn, al-Suyuti]

This is where it gets interesting: what is the nature of these “seven earths”? Since the works of tafsir discuss the possibilities at quite some length, I will relate the most relevant positions mentioned in the tafsir of Imam al-Alusi:

1) Imam al-Alusi says that the interpretation of the majority of classical scholars is that there are seven “earths”. Each earth has its own inhabitants that are the creation of Allah Most High for that specific land. The reality of them is known only to their Creator.

2) Based on a narration found in the hadith compilation of al-Hakim, it is plausible that the inhabitants of these earths even received their own prophets from Allah, but this is not something confirmed nor rigorously authenticated.

3) He also mentions the interpretation that the seven layers are the layers of our earth and part of its atmosphere: a layer of metals and minerals, then clay, then soil, then the crust of the earth, then a layer of clouds (lit. smoke), then an extremely cold layer, and finally, a layer where the air is extremely thin.

4) He lists the opinion that the “seven earths” are seven major continents separated by the oceans, and explicitly cites continental America and Asia as examples.

5) He reports that some scholars also felt that “seven earths” meant seven types of unique climate-regions.

6) He also lists various opinions regarding whether the seven earths are under the same one sky, or their own sky out of the seven skies, and whether they share celestial bodies or not, and so on. [Ruh al-Ma’ani, al-Alusi]

As you can see, there are many differences of opinion on the interpretation of this verse. As Muslims, we say: we believe in everything that has come from Allah Most High, on the meaning that He intended, and we consign the final knowledge of these matters to Allah, the All-Knowing.

A Beautiful Reminder

The medieval Andalusian scholar Imam al-Qurtubi, while commenting on this verse in his tafsir, brings relevance to the discussion. While considering the number and nature of the various lands or earths, Imam al-Qurtubi speculates whether it would be incumbent on the Muslims to take the message of Islam to people of these other locations. He says:

“…If it wasn’t possible for the people of this land to reach another land, then the message of Islam would be specifically conveyed to the people of this land only…

However, if even a group from amongst [the people of this land] could reach that other land, it is most likely that the conveying of the message of Islam would be a duty upon them once it was possible to reach them. This is because the separation [caused by] the seas, once it would possible to traverse cross them [to another land], does not stop the obligation of that which was generally commanded [ie. the invitation to Islam].”
[Jami’ Ahkam al-Quran, al-Qurtubi]

This visionary statement was said by Imam al-Qurtubi who lived in Muslim Spain during the 13th century (AD), much before most of the people of Europe and Asia knew that there was in fact a land that existed beyond the Atlantic ocean, with its own thriving cultures and civilizations: the Americas.

It is a reminder for us as Muslims to be constantly concerned about reaching out to the farthest corners of the globe with the saving message of the Deen, and to think with vision and insight in achieving that goal.

Returning to the Point

Rather than getting bogged down into the interpretative details, what we should focus on is the point of the verse itself: that Allah Most High created a magnificent universe that leaves us in awe when we examine its perfection.

He then sent us the Quran so that all mankind might realize that Allah is the All-Powerful Creator, and that His Knowledge encompasses everything. It is a message to use the signs in this amazing creation to go beyond the material universe, and back to our Creator.

Wasalam,
Abdullah Anik Misra

Checked & Approved by Faraz Rabbani

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 20th February 2023 16:00
@Admins is it possible to change the title to: The Heavens and the Earths
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 07:51
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What is the status of the Hadith which states that there are seven other earths and each earth has an Nabi, Adam like how we had Adam, Nuh like how we had Nuh…?




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Imam Ibn Abi Hatim, Imam Hakim (rahimahumallah) and others have recorded this narration as the Tafsir of Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma).

(Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, Surah Talaq, verse: 12 and Mustadrak Hakim, vol. 2 pg. 493)



This Hadith is reported as the statements of Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma) and not a Hadith of Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). Although transmitted with a reliable chain, the Muhaddithun have dismissed the authenticity of the text of this Hadith based on the lack of corroborating texts.

Imam Bayhaqi’s ruling regarding the text of this Hadith is widely quoted by many Mufassirun and Muhaddithun. Imam Bayhaqi has declared the Hadith as ‘شاذ بمرة’ (not supported at all). (Al Asma Was Sifat, pg. 363)

Hafiz Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) further states Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas has probably sourced this narration from ‘Israiliyat’ (Historical Narrations).





References for all of the above

Tafsirul Qurtubi Surah Baqarah, verse: 29, Al Bahrul Muhit Fit Tafsir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Ad Durrul Manthur, Surah Talaq, verse: 12, Al Bidayah Wan Nihayah, vol. 1 pg. 39, Fathul Bari, before Hadith: 3195, Al Maqasidul Hasanah, Hadith: 91, Al Asrarul Marfu’ah, Hadith: 38, Kashful Khafa, vol. 1 pg. 128, Hadith: 316, Al Muntakhab Minal ‘Ilal Lil Khallal of Hafiz Ibn Qudamah Al Maqdisi, pg. 125/126, Tadribur Rawi, vol. 3 pg. 274-278 and Tawjihun Nazar of ‘Allamah Tahir Al Jazairi, pg. 512. Also see Zajrun Nas of ‘Allamah ‘Abdul Hayy Al Lakhnawi



Note:

The existence of seven earths as such, has been proven in the Holy Quran. The Mufassirun have offered various explanations as to what this really means. Refer to the popular Tafsirs for more detail.





And Allah Ta’ala Knows best.



Answered by: Moulana Suhail Motala



Approved by: Moulana Muhammad Abasoomar, with the following note:

Despite certain reliable Scholars of the recent past justifying this narration, to avoid confusion we have chosen to only quote the view of those whom we concur with on this matter.



Checked by: Moulana Haroon Abasoomar
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 08:20
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[Three Paths in the Explanation of the Athar of Ibn ‘Abbas]

The ‘ulama differed in the explanation of this according to three paths:

[The Path of the Sufis]

First, it is understood as the World of Examples (‘alam al-mithal) which is an isthmus between the two worlds of the Unseen (ghayb) and the Seen (shahadah). This is the path of the purified Sufis and the people of perfection. Husayn al-Diyarbakri said in Kitab al-Khamis fi Ahwal Anfus Nafis

In al-Futuhat al-Makkiyyah [it is mentioned] that when Allah created Adam who was the first human body, and made him the basis of the existence of all human bodies, an excess amount remained from the ripe part of his clay from which was created the palm tree, which is the sister of Adam and our paternal aunt, and the Law [i.e. the Qur’an and hadith] designated it as our aunt and compared it to a believer, since it has wonderful secrets unlike all other vegetation. After the creation of the palm, the amount of a sesame seed remained from the clay, so Allah created from that excess part an earth with expansive space. Allah created from the totality of its worlds, a world in our image. When a Gnostic perceives it, he sees himself therein. This was alluded to by ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas in what was narrated from him in the hadith, “This ka’bah is one house from fourteen houses and indeed in every earth from the seven earths is a creation like us, so verily therein is an Ibn ‘Abbas like me.” This narration has been confirmed by the people of unveiling (kashf). End

An equivalent [passage] is found in [several] places of Al-Futuhat al-Makkiyyah. [It is mentioned] in Misbah al-Zalam fi Dhikri Mazal al-Hukama al-A’lam:

Know that the hadiths proving the [World of] Examples are abundant. From them is what was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas in the hadith, “the Ka’bah is one house from fourteen houses and indeed in every earth of the seven earths is a creation like us, so there is an Ibn ‘Abbas like me.” End

As for the first path, it is the purest of the three paths, but it is that which moderate minds cannot accept.
https://www.deoband.org/2010/08/theology-rulings/reprimanding-men-for-denying-the-athar-of-ibn-abbas/
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 10:08
We've discussed these "Other Us" narrations previously and found it very fascinating.

But I always ask myself, why are there no reports of Sahabah doing what the Sufi's claim to do. i.e. travel the multiverse (the name given by Hollywood)

I've read the reports from Dr76 about some people from the past, but my mind is not capable of comprehending such a feat and at the same time not denying its possibility.

Even Hollywood are into this theme at the moment and they've been doing it for many years, inspired by the devil of course, so yes, there may be some truth in what Hollywood is brainwashing the youth with today. Preparing them and us all for the Dajjal and to accept his ways with the blink of an eye (no pun intended)
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 10:11
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Are we discussing Ilhaam and kashf....
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 10:29
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Sticking to the topic together with this narration “This ka’bah is one house from fourteen houses and indeed in every earth from the seven earths is a creation like us, so verily therein is an Ibn ‘Abbas like me.”

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Hafiz Ibn Kathir (rahimahullah) further states Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas has probably sourced this narration from ‘Israiliyat’ (Historical Narrations).



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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 10:39
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My search lead to this; Jazakallahu khair for improving my knowledge:

As reported in Al-Durr Al-Manthur Fi Tafsir Bil-Ma'thur by Imam Suyuti:

وأخرج ابن جرير وابن أبي حاتم والحاكم وصححه والبيهقي في الشعب وفي الأسماء والصفات عن أبي الضحى عن ابن عباس في قوله:

ومن الأرض مثلهن

قال: سبع أرضين في كل أرض نبي كنبيكم، وآدم كآدم، ونوح كنوح، وإبراهيم كإبراهيم، وعيسى كعيسى
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 15:50
We've kind of discussed this on lighter note before. Here is a post from it
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 16:51
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Full article is very long and interesting!

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Covers the Israelite issue too
[Is it an Israelite Report?]
......It was transmitted from him by Al-Sakhawi in Al-Maqasid al-Hasanah and Al-Qastallani in Irshad al-Sari and others in other [works]. That [i.e. its clear invalidity] is because the supposition that the athar we are [discussing] here was taken from the Israelites did not come to the mind of any, as far as we know, besides Ibn Kathir, and he was imitated by those who imitated him, and it is only his supposition without relying on what is verified, and it is refuted by clear texts and shining proofs. Will a sane person reject the text of Al-Bukhari and accept the supposition of Ibn Kathir? From that which refutes him, also, is the statement of Al-Suyuti in Al-Itqan fi ‘Ulum al-Qur’an:

The Companions transmitted less from the Ahl al-Kitab than the Successors transmitted [from them]. When a Companion has resolve about what he said, how can it be claimed that he took it from the Ahl al-Kitab, when they forbade assenting to them? End.....

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2023 17:14
As we see with many Miracles of the Quran and Sunnah, I guess one day, the Muslim's of that time will again say, "But we knew this since the time of Islam!" and they will debate yet again :)

Who knows. When these scientist quote their findings of now, (e.g. What is the Multiverse) at the moment we say say, "We knew this 1,400 years ago. In the future, they might say, "We knew this 114,000 years ago"
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2023 06:04
The purpose of pondering on the Creation of Allah Taala is to recognize his Majesty and Grandeur. If such mental pursuits bring one closer to Allah Taala and put us in awe of his Greatness, and spur us on to more diligently follow His Commandments, then our labors bear fruit.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2023 09:44
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The Sahaba رضي الله عنهم were focused on the Akhirah. There could be a hundred worlds like ours, their main goal was to salvage their own akhirah.

We on the other hand are quick to take up any pursuit that involves wasting our time and spending less time on our akhirah. This is why the Shaytan has propagated the multiverse theory amongst the humans.

It's fascinating to explore whatever else Allah has created but when it takes us away from the purpose of our existence, it's nothing more than a distraction.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2023 10:11
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We are taught:

ہمارے پاس اجمال ہے تفصیل نہیں ہے

Don't discuss in detail, don't investigate in detail, don't go to depth of things.

Take the message and move on.

This saves our time, energy and more important...... Our Imaan and aqeedah.
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