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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd April 2018 10:04
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd April 2018 14:26
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 4th April 2018 10:48
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 4th April 2018 18:20
no one is against isralis having their own land. you will find it at the bottom of the deep blue sea but they cant have land thar belongs to someone else..

mbs has really lost the plot. i never thought id live to say the words if only king fahad was alive lol. it seems each successor is a bigger apostate and slime than the predecessor. but one good thing is at least the saud fam no longer hide their nifaaq. hopefully more and more deo scholars who for whatever reason have a soft spot for them will be forced to speak against them
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 4th April 2018 20:55
We guys should understand one thing : it is no more a clash of sufis vs salafis, or asharis vs atharis or even sunnis vs shias, the most important battle taking place is traditional/normative islam vs modernisms.

Thus you'll find sufis agreeing with madkhalis in defence of apostate or liberal governments vs salafis/deobandies/brelwies/ikhwanis on the other hand resisting, just because they are attached to the core of Islam. Even in Iran you have dynamics for the end of hijab vs shia clerics (although corrupt) against immodesty and we should always be on the right side.
In UK/USA where hanafism is a stronghold, malikism is sometimes used to break Islam part by part, in other countries where Malikism is a stronghold, hanafism is sometimes used to alter the practice of Islam.

That's the ideologic war we must all fight together.

With regards to the corrupt policy of MBS, for sure Allah will not allow Dancing, cinemas et al take place in the land of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, like the fahisha in Dubai. And plenty of saudis are masha'Allah very conservative, expect troubles even there. May Allah give victory to Islam and its defenders.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 4th April 2018 23:12
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u hit nail on head bro i agree 100% abt it not being a group thing i jus mention deos as an exmaple as they too hav very moderate n liberals among them who will do and say wotever to keep red passport and please mrs May.

i mentionee on this forum yrs ago the non muslims are no longer concerned abt petty issued abt islam they hav issue with islam its in entirety and shariah. be it purdah, halal food, upbringing, circumcision. that shaytaab maajid nawaz even wrote an article recently condemning muslims for doing it but okayed it for jews

as for mbs i wouldnt b surprised if saudia did become like dubai i personally think it will. no land is free from corruption even the haramain. i used to joke laat and uzza will return to hijaz. under saudis new tourism drive i wont bw surprised if mbs bought them back into a museum and sold it as saudi heritage.

one thing is for sure saudi will have a civil war. u r right that most saudis are mashAllah practising and conservative. its just the rich and elite who r western. if mbs does modernise and westernise it will trigger off a backlash. he has tried to stop it by jailing any scholar or senior prince who can stand up to him.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 11:07

Millions of dollars have been spent sterilising original thought and cultivating cult mentality among Muslims.

Saudi Government spends a lot of money on public relations; In the UK major Deobandi Ulama are given exclusive Hajj/Umrah privileges, invites to the Saudi Embassy and showered with gifts and thus it is ensured that:

1.    Moonsighting issues is NEVER resolved
2.    NOTHING is spoken from the mimbars which is against Saudi Arabia

Even if we were to name names and give solid evidence of British Deobandi Ulama who benefit from Saudia, it will make no difference in the eyes of normal Muslims because in their mind there is nothing unethical about free Hajj/Umrah or royal hospitality during it.

Salafi Ulama are given preferential access to ensure that Reverts are given opportunities in KSA and others are given employment opportunities.  Imams of Haram have at their disposal to sanction admissions into Saudi universities during their visits to the West and to recommend financial assistance.

Again, according to most Muslims, nothing objectionable about this either!

Yes, the Saudees court Deobandees and Salafees simultaneously (at least in UK, USA, Pakistan and India) thus ensuring that sectarianism remains on the boil. The adherents call to the Manhaj of their Ulama thus fostering and fermenting sectarianism.

Saudees have been relentlessly bombing civilians in Yemen (EXCATLY what is happening in Afghanistan), which Mosque or which Alim do you see talking about Yemen?

Saudi Arabia has near monopoly on all Muslim and Islamic Media in the Middle east or elsewhere. If you have independent Muslim Journalism it can be countered with Saudi driven or (Saudi) ideologically aligned Muslims. Take a look at any good Muslim Journalistic endeavour and you will see that those running it are ideologically (Saudi).

Saudi has ensured over the past few decades that they rule the PR space. Those who disagree with Saudi (often) go against the Ulama because the Ulama have NOTHING to say about Saudi Modernisation, Yemen etc. These individuals are easy to dismiss as not being backed by “Ulama”.

In the breach step ISIS/AQ/Keyboard warriors and they can be easily dismissed as extremists.

We are in 1926 ALL OVER AGAIN, read history to know how the Deobandi Akabir backed Saudi Arabia in the Makkah conference and the world was never the same again. I sincerely believe that they were sincere individuals who backed Saudia out of the love for Haramain (in 1926) and there are many who still back Saudi out of the love of Haramain.

Saudi Arabia knows the value of (the Haramain) card and plays it very well!

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 11:19

Forgot to add in the last post.

Saudi Arabia is preparing the grounds to accept Israel and when that happens…Expect many Deobandi and Salafi Ulama to gradually soften their stance on the Palestinian/Israel issue and then it will be advocated from the mimbar down to the masses.

Mark my words and remember this post on the issue of Palestine. Saudis have DONE NOTHING about Palestine for five decades and covertly backed the two state solution and now they will be openly backing it.
 

1926 : Our Ulama backed Saudia because they ensured peace in Haramain

2019: Our Ulama will back Saudia because they are custodians of Haramain

Once again I am stressing that this WAS done and WILL BE done out of sincerity.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 11:37

When Saudi Arabia imposed Umrah fees I personally spoke to the Head of one of the biggest Islamic organisations in the world. I spoke to him because he was invited into the Saudi embassy and I wanted him to make a polite point to the Ambassador that this fee will have a debilitating impact on Muslims in the West.

His response.

Brother Muadh, May Allah Ta’ala reward you for your concern and I 110% agree with you. BUT you have to understand our political reality, we are in NO position to raise any objections with the Saudees. Our access to Saudi consulate will be curtailed and then our own Government will also not consult us on matters affecting Muslims in this country as we will not have the ears of the Saudees. Many Muslims have told me about the impact of Umrah fees and I feel their pain BUT believe me I CANNOT talk about this with the Saduees. My duas are with you and I will back you up as much as I can from the background.
 

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 14:09
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Sad to read about ulema backing up this. Feel very bad for Muslims of Palestine. How long will this backing up mentality go! I read in this forum about mufti ahmed desai speaking boldly about any matter. I wish people like him stand against Saudis. I don't understand the wisdom of remaining silent regarding many matters worrying to ummah. Khair only Allah can help us
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 14:19

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Muslim Children in Yemen are being massacred by:

  1. British weapons
  2. Troops trained by the British Armed Forces

NOT ONE MUSLIM has anything to say about this at all. Contrast this to the uproar by Muslims about events in Afghanistan.

THEN ASK YOURSELF.

Why the condemnation of NATO/America in Afghanistan BUT NOT condemnation of Saudees/British in Yemen?

You will NOT hear a single Deobandi speaking about Yemen.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 14:39
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What can I say! I still don't comprehend about ulema remaining silent about a peer and that too in a Muslim country for years and when they came out with condemnation the name was not mentioned directly. This is nothing before speaking against Saudis. I feel so sad that we are so weak including our ulema. Very disturbing. I can only make duaa.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 15:52

Saudi GrandMufti on Cinema: 14JAN2017

www.thenational.ae/world/saudi-mufti-warns-of-depravity-o...

He warned that cinemas “might show movies that are libertine, lewd, immoral and atheist, because they rely on films imported to change our culture”, according to Sabq.

He said there is “no good” in singing concerts, insisting that music entertainment and opening cinemas represent a “call for mixing between sexes”.

“At the beginning they would assign areas for women, but then both men and women will end up in one area. This corrupts morals and destroys values,” he said.

Saudi Cinema: 18APR2018:

Saudi cinema screens reopen on 18 April 'with Black Panther'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43652893

 

 

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 17:13
What else can we expect from princes who have graduated and been brought up in non-muslim lands ?
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 17:23
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mbs was in fact educated inside Saudi Arabia
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