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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 4th April 2018 16:10
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It might be a cultural thing. Here in the subcontinent, we expect our first interactions (even online) with strangers to be very formal, and any deviation from formality becomes a little jarring.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 13:16
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Brother that's what i said in my previous post. I didn't assume anything about you. I took your words literally and that was my mistake for which i said sorry. However, If you are still offended i say sorry again.
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"Brother why do i have to start off with a false allegation ?
Wouldn't they be kind enough to help otherwise?
May be i didn't understand your post at all, i am sorry. "

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 13:29

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You have not offended me but misunderstood.

Let’s look at the issue rationally and logically. Do you think that I will recommend for people to start making accusations as the first suggestion and first step?

And if you don't have the background knowledge, don't jump to the (worst) assumption.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 18:20
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Brother this is what your post originally said. What i misunderstood was the undertone (i.e Sarcasm).
And i made it clear in that very post when i said "May be i didn't understand your post at all, i am sorry."
So i never jumped to any assumption (worse).

Khair. May Allah bless you and i love you as my brother.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 20:23

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No need to apologise and no harm done. Just don't assume the worse without background knowledge and information. You have absolutely no idea as to what lengths and efforts people have gone to have Sunniforum restored or having a backup available etc.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 22:23
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That's true, members were copying as much info as they could, repeating everything here. Muftisays admin also tried to help and offer advice, but to no avail.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2018 22:58
I can’t remember if I first found sunnniforum while searching for responses to queries salafis were posing to me, but sunniforum was certainly able to provide the answers to those queries, and it allowed for me to seek clarification on many topics. Such information or clarifications could never have come from real life interactions with Maulanas or Muftis I had access to.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2018 00:19
Was the article titled "HARAAM IMMORAL INTERNET FORUMS" by the majlis, the final nail in the coffin for sunniforum?

Sunniforum had more members and more topics without many restrictions.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2018 02:07
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السلام عليكم

No that did not mean anything.. The fort gave in from within.. and the custodian ran away with the keys..
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 6th April 2018 02:34
As for myself.. i got hooked looking for a book.. initially i landed on some Deobandi sufi forum which also strangely disappeared without trace.. that was around 2006.. then would only read as there was a sea of information and very knowledgeable people Mash Allah..

I registered in 2008 to put a query.. and got pulled in by a certain Peer from London :-) Rest is history..

Muftisays.. i discovered when when of our brothers went AWOL and surfaced here firing long range shots.. Ha Ha..

Good old days..

wa Assalam..
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 9th April 2018 05:05
How treacherous is life!

Brothers are talking about Sunniforum and I can not find time to join the conversation in a relaxed and leisurely fashion. There are so many things to take care of that one can not find time to be at ease.

Anyway it is nice that some of the people from the old gang made posts on this thread. I fondly remember those heady days. An intense pain pierces through the heart.

Akhir-e-shab ke humsafar Faiz na jane kya huway
Reh gayi kis jagah saba, subah kidhar guzar gayee

What happened Faiz to the wayfarers unto the dawn?
Where did the breeze stop, where did the morning left?

Or

Woh naye gile woh shikayatein woh mazay-mazay ki hikayatein
Mujhe sab hain yad zara zara Tujhe yad ho ke na yad ho

Those complains and taunts, those delicious stories
I do remember them all, whether you remember or not

It was a mission, though neither completed not taken to its logical conclusion.

It was like family and it was like Ibadah.

It was joy and it was work.

It was pain and it was striving.

It was enjoyment and it was journey.

Allah SWT is Ar-Rahman and He is Ar-Raheem. I will not be surprised if some of us get through that most crucial test in the Hereafter just because we loved each other for the sake of Allah SWT.

It was not a bad deal at all. May Allah SWT reward us for that friendship in this world and hereafter.

What a beautiful memory.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 9th April 2018 13:21
Its easy to write things surrounded by an army of Hazrat-Worshippers who heap praise upon you every moment of every day that you are the second coming of Imam Ghazali (RA).

Its back breaking and hard to actually put a project together and serve the Ummah while taking abuse from all directions but still soldering on and actually doing things.

Many of our brothers/sisters are comfortable in their own (WhatsApp) groups where nobody challenges you and nobody questions your statements and decisions and that's where they will stay.

It's easy to be surrounded by like minded people and just heap praise and defend people whom those you are surrounded by already worship (anways).
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 9th April 2018 16:54
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May be true or may not be. I personally feel that not all Muslims are capable of debating efficiently for that needs sound knowledge and exposure. SF served as one of the best platforms for such debates and discussion. Some were good in defending shias, some were good in defending atheists etc., Ignorant people like me benefited from others knowledge learning something new. I somehow experienced that access to mufti says forum was not easy as SF. From time to time I kept trying to get access to this forum over a year and suddenly one day it got clicked. I am sure it would have been the case for many. If SF was active today, it might have been as active as before. I think knowledgeable people are still active in defending Muslims on other social platforms like FB. Allahu alam
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 10th April 2018 07:18
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I have been mulling over the issues that you have raised.
Here are my two cents.
People will have their opinion and mostly these do not match with our own views.
I also have noticed that the world is full of those people who can not only articulate their point of view better than I can express myself in particular and we can express ourselves in general.
Plus they also force their agenda more vigorously than us.
Perhaps not always but mostly that is true.
In view of this the only course of action left for me personally is to go ahead with my own agenda and do my bit.

In specific cases of the Tablighi Jama-at I do not feel like drowning my time and energy in trying to figure out a solution. I made a personal decision in my mind that I do not agree with Maulana Saad Sahab's position and hence I do not support his actions.

In the second case of Pir Zulfiqar Sahab I still have to figure out a few things and that is what I have been saying. I shall inform brothers and sisters if I get further enlightened about it one way or other.

With these two examples I suppose I can say that I do understand from where do you come.

There will always be people who will oppose your moves, actions and ideas. They will do so in varying degrees. It is difficult to produce a uniform and universal consensus.

The experience from Facebook is even more bitter. And it is in the same direction.

I am trying to figure out an academic view, programme and strategy for Ummah that we can use to address the worldly, not spiritual, problems we are facing.

Clearly in this task the opposition can not be as stiff as in any project where you are doing the things on the ground and the people are affected directly.

When people are affected directly there reaction is certainly different as compared to any reaction to a discussion.

At that moment this is all I can think of on the issues you have raised, the issues that look slightly on the sideline of the present thread.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 10th April 2018 10:17

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In order to punch above your weight and power, you hunt in packs.

Muslims have no idea how to amplify their voice and have an impact BECAUSE our Ulama and leaders don’t cooperate with each other. Every Alim, every Institute has their own two-penny WhatsApp group or Facebook page and they continue to work in silos. This results in duplication of effort and wastage of resources.

Working with others requires patience, perseverance and tolerance WHILE working in a WhatsApp group (in a Silo) requires none of that.
Take a look at one thousand and one Fatwa sites who essentially and effectively answer similar set of questions AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Everyday some Mufti sets up a new site or Facebook page or WhatsApp group to do the same thing and answers similar set of questions in a similar manner. Even students of the same Mufti setup duplicate sites INSTEAD of directing a question to already existing responses to a classmate etc.

Then it falls upon the Ummah to financially fund and sustain these one thousand and one individuals and institutes

People are essentially followers and they follow the examples of whom they admire.  The Ummah has no leadership and no aspiring role models to inspire for people to aspire to.

When you use leaders operating in Silos and duplicating effort, people follow.

End result is 1-2 people getting battered on Facebook and Social Media when they try to counter arguments against Islam and Muslims and NOBODY even makes their efforts public let alone try to help.

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