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#556 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 11:30

Maulana Fazlur-Rahman Title Song

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8fjWAoEyDw

Should be sent to the Oscars as Pakistan's entry for 2019 :lol after changing the words to:

Maulana Ja Raha Hay
Maulana Ja Raha Hay

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#557 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 11:57
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May
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But I do see that they had it coming. Or may be the dollars were delayed.

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#558 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 12:15
Speeches going on....at Dharna Sthal (Ja-e-Dharna)...one speaker just said...Hum khali haath nahin laut rahe hain...we are not returning empty handed.

Thank God. Jaldi lauto Bhai.....return quickly.

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News from Indian side: Whole Indian media has jumped in support of Pakistani Mullahs.
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#559 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 15:28
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My questions about IK have not been answered by our intellectuals.

Everyone has done injustice to this country. Everyone is accountable.
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#560 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 15:52
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Not everyone. There are people with special statuses living amongst us. We must all be thankful every day to them for using our money to defend us against manufactured threats. Surely they can't be held accountable.
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#561 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 15:57
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Maulana Fazlur Rahman

He is the most corrupt person on God's earth because he has been the chairman of Kashmir Committee and he did nothing. The whole SSG section of army was under his command but still he couldn't conquer Kashmir.

Now seriously, PMs must be compared with PMs. Comparing a current PM with an ex-head of some useless committee is hilarious. In the passion of defending their hero, these intellectuals are thinking from their feet instead of their head. First of all I thought that their right side brain doesn't work. They lack creativity and can't come up with solutions. They are only good in pinpointing problems. However, now I am doubtful that even their left side brain works or not. The failure of a PM who is an oxford graduate can't be justified by repeatedly saying this mantra that "What the Mullah did? What the Mullah did? What the Mullah did?" This is a good mantra for auto suggestion for this mullah-phobia company though.

What the Mullah did or didn't do or couldn't do is in the past. The question is what their hero is doing? What did he promise? What did he claim? And what he is doing? They are intentionally not answering this because deep down they know that they have no answer. However, their ego is not letting them to admit this very obvious fact. The only weapon they have to use is that ignorant Deobandis are just defending their mullah because of their undying love for their sect. However, no sane person is defending the Maulana. The person in question is he who is in power currently and not a person who had some nominal position in the past. Period.

The Army

It is true that the army is not trained in running a country. It's not it's job and the army is only forced to mingle in politics because the politicians have destroyed the economy and without good economy it is difficult for army to maintain defense of the country and fight wars.

However, the generals after breaking assemblies try to be politicians instead of pure dictators. They must eliminate all political parties along with their leaders, introduce new parties, stabilize the country's economy, pack their bags and migrate to the first world. Problem occurs when they try to be politicians and the corrupt people remain alive, ready to come back and plunder and loot the country again when once the martial law is lifted. The army is unable to think of a long term solution and instead is fond of quick fixes. Had they eliminated all the politicians in their first Martial law, they would have set an example for future politicians that if the new comers will try to cross boundaries and do corruption beyond limits then they will face the same wrath by military again.

The matter of the fact is that all are just passing time. No one is ready to own this country.

The Molvies and the University Graduates

I am seriously disappointed by our elders no matter from where they have studied or from which group they belong to. They are just good in criticizing and accuse others for their failures. Nobody is ready to look at his/her own faults. Nobody is ready to take responsibility for their actions. I reject blind taqleed of these babas no matter which walk of life they belong to.

People of the Subcontinent

They are not a nation. Just a group of people belonging to different ethnicity, languages, colours, races, religions and cultures. Yes we the commoners can only do our part by educating ourselves and by spreading that education through various possible means. However, our society has reached to such a low extent that either it needs a miracle or a huge surgical strike to carve a true nation out of this directionless mess. China woke up during the Japanese invasion. Pakistan may wake up after she is invaded. Oh Allah! Grant us a true leader. Oh Allah! Grant us a true leader. Oh Allah! Grant us a true leader.

The Youth

I love the youth of this ummah. They are the stars and future of this ummah. I am hopeful that the youth will find it's way in this dark night. Islam prevails. May Allah bless this Ummah.
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#562 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 19:14
The fact is IMRAN KHAN and THE ARMY has practically done ‘nothing’ for Kashmir since its annexation by Modi. It was very obvious that apart from china (with its own interest in Laddakh) no one was diplomatically supporting Pakistan over the issue of Kashmir, including our Arab Muslim brothers. Only Mahatir and Erdogan spoke openly in our support, that is about all....

Newyark times and Washington post did publish a few articles to keep record straight about human rights, but it was not for the interest of Pakistan, but for human rights violations.

Pakistan could gain some attention only, if it had moved its forces to forward positions, even if it did not seriously mean war. Even a threat of war would have turned the issue into a truely ‘international affair’ as nobody could afford a nuclear war. Pakistan under the leadership of Imran khan and General Bajwa, clearly ruled out a war over Kashmir, and made it abundantly clear that they will go to war ‘only’ if Azad kashmir was attacked. That was not only a disgrace but betrayal. It gave Modi a free hand in kashmir.

Kashmiris were looking towards Pakistan, but Pakistan was looking towards kashmiris to come out on streets and make more sacrifices. Is that how IK and General Bajwa intended to help Kashmiris and the cause of Kashmir, did they really think Modi will back off by a few songs created by ISPR ? Did they think they will win kashmir by singing and dancing ? Or a very good speech at UNGA ? Was that the ‘effort’ which Maulana was compromising by announcing a dharna ? No, they were/are clearly presenting his dharna as an excuse to hide their own incompetence and cowardice over the issue. History will remember the two gentlemen as party to the sellout on kashmir.....

Maulana’s inaction as chairman of largely ceremonial kashmir committee is NOTHING as compared to this shameful ‘betrayal’ on kashmir.

Imran khan was a nobody in politics before 2011, when General Shuja Pasha (the then head of ISI) started helping him. Up untill then, he could only win his own seat from Mianwali on second attempt. How did he come to political prominence? Only one answer : ‘He was picked by army to create a third force against Nawaz and Zardari’. He was supported by army in his dharna against nawaz, and then in elections.Despite rigged elections,even today, PTI plus its political allies have a very slim majority of 5 seats in the national assembly. The moment he tries to show his teeth to the military establishment he will be ‘out of office’ in a very legal way. He is indeed ‘selected’ not ‘elected’, and no one can refute it.

The Army is still supporting him, because it is ‘them’ who are in power through IK, and he is no more than a helpless ‘puppet’ in their hands. He is a total failure on all fronts, and i have a feeling those who brought him to power are now distancing themselves from him, though they will not do it under pressure. The current relief to nawaz and Maryam should ring alarm bells in his ears.....

He is on his way out, not through any dharna, but through other apparently constitutional mechanisms. He has served the purpose for which he was brought, now it is time to discard him....

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#563 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 19:24

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Imran Khan is not going anywhere unless he dies or there is war and war command is setup (etc.). Feel free to bump my post if anything opposite happens before next elections.

I am not saying that he is perfect or best choice or right on Kashmir but ground reality is that he is not going anywhere. On Kashmir front...

پیوستہ رہ شجر سے امیدِ بھار رکھ

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#564 [Permalink] Posted on 4th November 2019 19:27
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Indeed if he remains a faithful puppet, and ‘they’ thought there is still some role for him, he will stay.....
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#565 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 05:04
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There definitely are rumors here that the "higher-ups" may be fed up of IK and may want him removed but on the whole I think they'll just opt for "managing" him instead since they are unlikely to find a more suitable puppet so quickly.
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#566 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 05:19
Imran khan is made to believe that he is someone ‘special’ , that he was created for doing something big, that he is a ‘saviour’ and ‘Messiah’....

In reality he is ‘Narcissist’ !

He is honestly not aware that ‘all’ he is doing is wrong, that the people are finding it hard to make ends meet, that his party is corrupt to the core, that he is ruling through ‘arrogance’ and ‘insensitivity’ towards the problems of masses, that ‘nepotism’ is widespread in his government, that his cousin Noshirawan burky is destroying the health system, directing the changes while sitting in America, that he visits Pakistan only occasionally to oversee the huge changes that he has took upon himself to make, blissfully keeping himself unaware of all the practical problems the doctors and the patients are facing. His classical answer to all the issues presented to him is: ’this is not my headache’

Yes, indeed !

Playing with the careers of so many young doctors is ‘not’ his headache. That should have been the headache of Imran khan....

The bureaucracy is scared to sign bills, the developmental work in every department has come to a standstill. The NAB questions everyone signing a bill worth a value considering them thieves and treating them as such.The only people who are immune are those from PTI.

Parvez khattak, the ex chief minister of KP started BRT, which can best be called a joke. It is going on for the last so many years, its expenditure has gone up many folds because its route was selected through ‘google maps’ conveniently ignoring the main sewerage line running through peshawar city, in places the road is built so narrow, that the buses can not turn, in other places the entry points to the buses are made opposite to the entry doors of buses....

The NAB simply refuse to take notice of the huge corruption done and the kickbacks received. So much for the accountability :(

Imran khan has been put into the syndrome of ‘khabt e azmat’ (Delusion of grandeur) by those who are using him and earning money/ enjoying status. That is easy for pseudo-sufis to be misguided into such delusions, all it takes is a few dreams and a few kashaf oriented ‘basharat’....

A few years from now, even those who are so eagerly supporting him, as if he was a ‘little Mahdi’ would acknowledge all of what i am writing today. I feel sorry for their feelings then.....
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#567 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 05:45
How is he supposed to be aware of all that, of the problems of the common man when he himself has lived an elitist life? Those who voted for him and believed in his promises were extremely foolish if they really thought he was the solution to the problems of a country where majority of the population was under-privileged. How could he address problems he has no knowledge about, has never faced and thus will never understand or care for?

All he is good for is speeches and optics. And that's the thing that he is focusing majorly on in his rule. His policies are designed to please the elites of the world, he's putting up a show for them. Just look at how his government is literally bending over backwards to show the world how "tolerant" we are by facilitating the Sikhs in their religious tourism. They have gone to the extent of providing them unfettered access to the country not to mention the free transport. On the other hand, Muslims of the country are looking towards the government in vain to subsidize the Hajj packages and that's never gonna happen because the problems of the local population are just not important enough for the optics that he and his government want right now.
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#568 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 06:41
No, we are fully aware IK cannot fix the monetary problems of this corrupt nation.

I am fully aware the Illah called money in the hearts of Pakistanis is a powerful one, and infront of that mawlvi, secular , liberal , pir sahab , all are in prostration.

I am fully aware IK is a trained cricketer who became good at managing a 12 man team inside a cricket field. He has no practical knowledge of administering or governing as a professional at a high government national level ( but so as the opposition) .He attracts crowd and that is his strength. Unfortunately that is not enough to govern. So i don’t expect him to clean out this decades old corrupt system.

I am fully aware he has over promised and just not possible to deliver.

What is separating him from the rest is that he is not as big of a “beghairat” as compared to diesel, nawaz, zardari, asfandyar wali, achakzai, and these all others.

I am fully aware that to form a political party in the country of Pakistan he had to pick pakistanis and the people in politics are or who make it to some level in politics are mostly beghairat, hence he has hired similarly many beghairats to form his party to contest elections , to come to power.

This is the reality of Pakistan. Appreciate the little good he has done and few things are definitely new and no one before has ever done.

For the typical failures, which is a part and parcel of being a Pakistani society, that only as a nation people would have to leave their bad habbits to get somewhere.

Stop expecting miracles from IK, as i have repeated many times here.

So let not the bani israel traits take us over so much that we don’t make any shukr for the little good that comes from people.

A nation that was feeding on riba based loans for decades , has no right to blame a year old first time ever PM for all their money problems. Diesel and friends Inc, for years borrowed loans and ate them up, and left the payback on the nation. Now the nation must pay and yes the more the poor you are the more it will hurt you. So keep defending diesel and friends inc and Allah might test us a bit more.

This diesel a so called Maulana, with this much man power, why has he never done dharnas and tried to topple previous govt to abolish interest based system in Pakistan? Didnt this amali hypocrite know what interest and sood is?

We accept IK is not pure enough to meet your pious stations and your standards, May Allah raise you more. But at least be fair here and see the hypocrisy of ameer ul mumineen diesel , who farted around all these years and never showed such anger and effort when the system was being corrupted in Pakistan , interest was wide spread.

These are gross double standards!
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#569 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 07:10
IK does indeed has a ego problem.

I think all of us have an ego problem at different levels.

Yes he might have a little bigger than most of you here. But it’s a double edge sword. It helps him as well and it destroys him as well. It destroyed him more at personal level and we leave it between him and Allah. At public level he has done some good stuff using it.

But then i am not a sufi expert to determine what Celsius degree his ego stands at.

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#570 [Permalink] Posted on 5th November 2019 09:51

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Muhammad Ali Jinnah (RA), Dr Iqbal (RA) & Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) who all were pivotal in the creation of Pakistan were Dihadhi-Dar Mazdoors (manual daily laborers) by profession, got it.

:P

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