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#241 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 10:54
The REALITY is, that a non-stop war is forced upon us Muslims and we are not left with any other choice but to fight back (or accept the status of ‘untouchables’ at the world stage).When we quietly absorb all the ‘blows’ (killing,pellet guns,torture,rape)the ‘civilised’ world keep watching with calm amusement (as if they were watching a horror movie);When we respond,then of course we are ‘terrorists’ :)

The world has become ‘unjust’ and is filled with ‘zulm’...
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#242 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 10:58
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#243 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 11:18
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Names hardly matter...

It is not Ml Masood Azhar any more,and surely Kashmiris are NOT fighting for Pakistan,they are fighting for ‘Independence of Kashmir’...

The Zulm of Modi have pushed them beyond the fear of death,when a nation cross that line,they don’t need outside help.Kashmiris now know that no body is ready to give them freedom and that they will have to fight for it.They also know that no body will fight for them,and that they will have to fight for themselves...
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#244 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:29
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You might be a sellout but Maulana is not, with due respect.

May Allah ta'ala protect him and his Jaish.
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#245 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:35
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#246 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:41
I haven't heard that about Maulana Masood Azhar, but the army's go-to guy to annoy India with "militancy" is Hafiz Saeed and his movement Jamat-ud-Da'wah, if I am not mistaken.
However, Maulana Masood Azhar is irrelevant to the discussion of this attack since he himself has denied involvement. As for the government and military of Pakistan, logically speaking, there seems to be absolutely no motive that can link their involvement in this attack. Especially with such an important dignitary arriving in Pakistan just days after, it's hard to fathom why Pak would resort to such antics that could have endangered their position.

The only party that had real, believable motive has already been mentioned in the thread.
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#247 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:42
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Please if you don't have any proof then consider him innocent and stop believing in accusations made by random people, I can imagine who this member could be. If someone had made this statement about any other Maulana, Mufti Azam, Shaikhul hadith, I would've given it a thought..but not about Maulana Masood Azhar HA.
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#248 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:47
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#249 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:50
It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said:
“There will come to the people years of treachery, when the liar will be regarded as honest, and the honest man will be regarded as a liar; the traitor will be regarded as faithful, and the faithful man will be regarded as a traitor; and the Ruwaibidah will decide matters.’ It was said: ‘Who are the Ruwaibidah?’ He said: ‘Vile and base men who control the affairs of the people.’”

Reference: Sunan Ibn Majah 4036


We are living in these times.. May Allah ta'ala protect us from all types of fitna.
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#250 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 13:54
Please maintain respect for each other and Ulamaa (if topic is about a scholar) by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to ask, clarify or to remain silent rather than to speak ill of another person.
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#251 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 06:52
The Case of Papri Banerjee


Papri Banerjee is a teacher in some Commerce College in Guwahati city of the north-eastern state of Assam in India.

Lately she had made some posts that were critical of Islam and Muslims.

But mostly she keeps a secular liberal democratic disposition.

And she has lost her job last week.

Reason? She issued a condolation statement of the slain soldiers of Pulwama blast. Unfortunately for her she also added that attention should also be pain to the killings and rapes and pellet-showering by 'us' in Kashmir. That is what did her in.

She was issued death and rape threats by the Saffron operatives and hence she has gone underground. We do not know about her location or well being for over a week by now.

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Related news: Two Kashmiri students have been picked up from Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband because they were terrorists, no allegations but simple classification. This has been reported in the same manner even by the most responsible newspaper - the Hindu.

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So what is the conclusion?

Well the conclusion, in black and white, is that even for Hindus it is risky and dangerous to speak even a single word about the plight of Muslims in India.

And I can do no better.

So does it mean that we just give up? Not at all. But henceforth anyone opening his or her mouth about the situation of Muslims in India should keep in mind that even most innocent words can be twisted, turned and used against them.

QED.
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#252 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 07:45
India threatening to boycott the World Cup or have Pakistan thrown out.

This should be interesting.
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#253 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 10:20
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#254 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 12:41

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Who’s winning/losing?


The anger in India after Pulwama is self-destructively turning inward. Pakistan has won because our public culture has become corrosive. The Pakistani state’s silence in the face of violent proxies is being mirrored in our state’s silence in the face of vigilantism.


After Pulwama, a suffocation has gripped India. Not to put too fine a point on this, political opinion now operates under the disconcerting thought that Pakistan is in some significant sense, winning. The anger against Pakistan is justified. But what we are witnessing in India is more a paroxysm of self-loathing rather than righteous anger; a self-loathing that is looking not for solutions, but for someone to blame. The tragedy of Pulwama is not just that soldiers died; it is the sense that we are acting as if Pakistan has won.

Pakistan has won because it can help carry out such acts of violence with impunity. No international pressure, no diplomatic response, no surgical strikes seem adequate to the task of deterring this behaviour. It is no small consolation to remember that even the mightiest of powers flounder on the desolate shoals of terrorism; just look at the Americans in Afghanistan. There is no quick fix to the problem.

Pakistan has won because while we have the right, and arguably the duty, to retaliate, we have not built the capabilities. We can carry out visible operations to satiate public will. But the blunt truth is we have not built the kind of intelligence, covert operations, and technological capabilities for a genuine response to sub-conventional warfare. These capabilities are not conjured up at will. They require years of patient state building. These don’t come easily to countries that cannot even get a basic defence contract right. It is nonsense to say that India or Indian liberals did not have a national security strategy. The thinking on this is quite sophisticated. It is truer to say that as always we did not put our money where our mouth is.

Pakistan has won because the radicalisation in Kashmir is real and the alienation pervasive. We can console ourselves with the fact that cowardly Pakistani generals who use proxies can never win an actual war. But it is also becoming clear that our chest thumping politicians can seldom win an actual peace. It is easy to vent out anger at Kashmiris; it is far more difficult to accept the truth that in the last five years we made the situation in Kashmir far worse. The fragile and uncertain gains in Kashmir of the Atal Bihari Vajpayee and

Manmohan Singh years have been squandered away in an illusory bravado. Pakistan has won because our responses make India look more like Pakistan. There is a long-standing strain in Indian politics that has gained more currency recently. Structuring citizenship or political standing around religious identity was Pakistan’s parlour game. But there are more politicians in India now who want to play the same game, who are besotted by the same vocabulary of blasphemy, religion-based identification, and parochialism. There are sections of the Indian Left, whose response to nationalism is to say that the poisons of smaller identities can be an antidote to the larger poison of vicious nationalism.

We are creating a culture where each life is reduced to, and completely foretold in, its identity. Now, apparently, even soldiers are reduced entirely to their caste. No wonder it is so easy to stereotype, attribute collective guilt and seek collective retribution and conjure up divisions. Pakistan was born in and is scarred by an identity fetish. Instead of embracing freedom, we also want to measure up to that fetish.

Pakistan has won because in the war we are alone. Of course, we have to artfully use any country that will listen to us. It is even more important to keep Pakistan’s friends nearer to us than its enemies. But the blunt truth is that we look in vain for geopolitics to help us. The world has its own interests in propping up the India-Pakistan divide. And which external power can even understand, let alone heal, the psychological complexes that fuel this irrational war?

Pakistan has won because our public culture has become corrosive. The Pakistani state’s silence in the face of violent proxies is being mirrored in our state’s silence in the face of vigilantism. Pakistan has long been a state whose public culture has been tethered to an unreality about its future. It has so often cut off its nose to spite the face. In our phantasmagorical projections of power, in thoughtless diagnosis, in the rush to find someone to blame, India’s public discourse is devolving into the same unreality. It may be true that a vast majority of people still carry their heads with a sense of balance and proportion. But there is no denying the fact that those are not the people who are empowered: Amit Shah and Tathagata Roy are the empowered faces of India.

So the self-loathing in the aftermath of Pulwama is not just about righteous anger against Pakistan. It is about the deep suffocation at the realisation that we have let Pakistan win. Sure, there will be some retaliatory action. But even if successful, we know that is not a victory. In 1971, we won the war but lost the peace. Sure, there will international support for India. But it will at best re-direct Pakistan’s efforts, not finish them off. Sure, India has more moral capital than Pakistan. But we have too many politicians willing to dissipate that capital. Sure, India has been far too patient with Pakistan. But India’s grievous sin is more that it has not been impatient about building its own capabilities.

The net result is an anger that is self-destructively turning inward. The Right has turned on Kashmiris, Muslims, journalists and other assorted “anti-nationals”, because it cannot accept the self-defeating nature of its own ideology and interventions. It has been caught in the lie that a chest-thumping Modi can do better than a vacillating Nehru. The Left has always laboured under the anxiety of whether its positions were principled or simply a rationalisation of weakness. Either way India feels trapped.

But the truth is defeating Pakistan is not about defeating the Pakistani state. They will inflict losses on us. But the Pakistani state can equally be trusted to harm Pakistan. The truth is that defeating Pakistan is about defeating a state of mind called Pakistan. The disconcerting truth after Pulwama is the state of mind called Pakistan seems to have made inroads into us than the state of Pakistan itself. Pakistan has won.

The writer is vice-chancellor of Ashoka University.

indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/pulwama-attack-...

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#255 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 13:14
There is ‘some’ truth in the article,’not the whole truth’...

Pakistani state has/had its problems with extremism and militancy,it was a geo-political compulsion at first,wrongly becoming a state policy later.Pakistan suffered on every level for it,its people,it’s armed forces,its economy and its reputation as a civilised nation destroyed and stained...

Now the Pakistani state is correcting itself while India is going deep into its own extremism.It is a sorry state of affairs !

And no,India is not as innocent as it portrays itself.It disregarded the UN resolutions on Kashmir,it admitted for its role in dismembering Pakistan in 1971,it actively supported TTP in KP and insurgency in Baluchistan,it provided MQM with training and money in Karachi....so no point in acting like an innocent child and portraying India as a victim of terrorism who is always on the receiving end...

Both the countries have been acting foolishly.Let the Kashmir issue settle and then move on....

Both countries need to spend their resources for the betterment of their people.India have the potential to become a great power if it redirect its efforts towards its economic growth and avoid conflicts. Pakistan,a much smaller country should do even more to focus on its economy rather than looking for fights...

Let the reason prevail.
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