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#1171 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2022 06:18
This is an article by Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy published by Dawn and picked up by Scroll.

He is a very good scientist and he moved from Ismaili Bohra faith to conservative Sunni faith. After that he has not managed to put his weight in favour of Islam and Muslims.

But the real problem is that the truth in his articles is the proverbial inconvenient truth.

I pray that I get time to spell it out myself too.

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Before Pakistan can produce any science worth the name, it must overcome its deeply held prejudices
Rejecting non-Muslims of high professional merit has come at devastating cost to Pakistan.
Pervez Hoodbhoy, Dawn.com
Yesterday · 01:30 pm

Before Pakistan can produce any science worth the name, it must overcome its deeply held prejudices
Nobel Laureate Har Gobind Khorana was a Lahori with bachelor and master’s degrees from Punjab University.

A Dawn article on Har Gobind Khorana (1922-2011) threw me back 50 years when I, along with 600 other students, had packed 26-100 (MIT’s largest lecture hall) to hear him speak. Being clueless of the basics of molecular biology, I understood little and left halfway through. Curiosity had driven me there because this famous MIT professor had won the 1968 Nobel Prize and started a brand new field — protein synthesis via nucleotides. More interestingly, he was a Lahori with bachelor and master’s degrees from Punjab University.

Alas! Lahore, to its misfortune, does not know – nor cares to know – who this man was. The same holds true for another of its sons, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (1910-1995), who became a Nobel Laureate in recognition of his definitive work on the death of stars. Today, a Nasa satellite named Chandra scours the skies for neutron stars, black holes and other unusual astronomical objects.
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The story of Abdus Salam (1926-1996) is too well known to repeat here. Winner of the 1979 physics Nobel, he studied at Government College Lahore and later taught at Punjab University. However, no road or landmark in Lahore bears Salam’s name – or that of Khorana and Chandrasekhar. While a Government College-affiliated institution called the Abdus Salam School for Mathematical Studies nominally exists, to display his name on its signboard could be dangerous in a city often gripped by religious fervour.

Less well known is the story of Chowla and Chawla. At Government College, there have been two mathematicians in number theory. One was Sarvadaman Chowla, an accomplished mathematician who headed the mathematics department from 1937 to 1947. Being Hindu, he left Lahore after the rioting began and went to Princeton University, then the University of Colorado at Boulder, and eventually became professor at the University of Pennsylvania. He died in 1995 and was celebrated as a famous number theorist by the American Mathematical Society with several important theorems to his name.

The other was Lal Muhammad Chawla who graduated from Oxford in 1955 and then taught at Government College for many years. With rather modest professional achievements, he had only one well-cited paper. As a Google search of his publications reveals, Chawla was more interested in writing religious books than advancing mathematics. However, the Government College math society is named after Lal Muhammad Chawla and not the more famous and much more accomplished Sarvadaman Chowla. No Hindu scientist is celebrated in Pakistan.

Rejecting non-Muslims of high professional merit has come at devastating cost to Pakistan. For one, it lost those who could have helped the newborn country establish a scientific base. For another, it became difficult to create institutional meritocracies. After Partition, many clever ones played the religious or ethnic card and undeservedly rose to positions of high authority. In time, they became institutional gatekeepers with catastrophic consequences.
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The weakness of science education in Pakistan is too evident to belabour here. Unsurprisingly, our best and brightest young people usually go for soft stuff like medicine, law and business. Unlike in China or India, hardly any opt for tough, demanding, scientifically-oriented careers. So, how can we persuade our children towards them? What stories to tell them about science and scientists? Most importantly, who should be their role models?

This brings up a civilisational problem. Over the last 300 years – which is how old modern science is – there are no Muslim subcontinental names associated with first tier (Nobel calibre) scientific accomplishments (after 1974 Salam must be excluded). Notwithstanding the valiant efforts of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan (1817-1898), Indian Muslims shunned science and the English language. Thus, even at the distant second or third tier level, one finds barely a dozen names.

Since one cannot find Muslim science heroes who belong to the soil, books for Pakistani children inevitably valorise Arabs from the Golden Age such as Al-Battani, Ibn-e-Shatir, Ibn-e-Haytham, etc. While these luminaries of Muslim science were genuine path-breakers, they do not serve well as role models. For one, persons from centuries ago cannot inspire today’s children. For another, excitement is inspired by those “of your own kind”. Arabs, however, are visibly different from people around here.

Ancient Hindu scientists could have found some place in Pakistani books. However, they are excluded on ideological grounds because “woh hum main say nahin hain” (they are not us). Instead, many Pakistanis anxiously seek ancestral roots in Arabia, Afghanistan and Central Asia. But modern laboratory tools are ripping apart dearly held myths of racial origins. Now several genetic marker studies are suggesting that the subcontinent’s Muslims have descended primarily from local Hindu converts with only a few per cent admixture of Arab or Central Asian genes. Excluding Hindu scientists from our books is absurd.
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Ideology and science are like oil and water – they refuse to mix. Science cares only about facts and logic, not personal likes and dislikes. History is replete with examples of failed attempts to fuse science with cherished beliefs. When Stalin sought to impose his Marxist views upon Soviet biology through his chosen tout, Trofim Lysenko, he nearly destroyed agriculture and forestry.

Soviet Russia’s good fortune was that it had a scientific community robust enough to counter Lysenko’s meddling. Pakistan has not been so lucky. It has an abundance of charlatans pretending to be scientists but just a few who deserve to be called such. While there is a science ministry, several scientific bodies, and hundreds of institutions that purport to teach or do research in science, no community of genuine scientists exists. High-sounding scientific bodies – such as the Pakistan Academy of Sciences – are a joke. They command no respect internationally and should be dissolved.

Every kind of intellectual endeavour, science included, needs an enabling cultural and social environment to flourish. Science suffocates when scientists are judged by their religion, race, ethnicity or any criterion other than scientific achievement. Before Pakistan can produce any science worth the name, it will need to overcome its deeply held prejudices. It must learn to value all who share the common heritage of humankind. The day we count Khorana, Salam and Chandrasekhar as our very own, Pakistan will have begun breaking the shackles of scientific under-development.
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#1172 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2022 15:28
Fall of Dhaka Part 1 2 3 4 5

I am completely overwhelmed by the details Syed Zaid Hamid has mustered in these videos.

(Also posted in my Zaid Hamid's Views thread and to be posted in Aamar Sonar Bangla thread too.)
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#1173 [Permalink] Posted on 4th February 2022 16:20
Most Beautiful Capitals of World


London.
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Berlin. ...
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Budapest. ...

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#1174 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 12:23
Salahuddin Ayyubi : He is not our hero : Iffat Umar
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#1175 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 12:35
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You give too much importance to bunch of nobodies. Her opinion is worthless.
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#1176 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 13:10
Pakistan, deal with BLA strictly.
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#1177 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 13:12
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In that case why is no body telling this to her?
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#1178 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 13:36
Lata Mangeshkar, a closet Sanghi who came out into open after Modi became PM, died and idiotic PTV asserted that Pakistan had the first right on her legacy.
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#1179 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 13:54
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I usually have a number of tabs open in my browser. These tabs have opened various pages. My intention is to do a post here at MS or on Facebook using these pages. I am perpetually out of time and energy and hence find it difficult to deal with the topic.

For example at the moment I have a Wikipedia page open in a tab that is about Nationalization of Industry in Pakistan but I can not link it here because MS does not allow that.

I have decommissioned my finance, industry, economy, business type of threads.

That was to save time and energy.

This does not mean that these topics have gone out of market.

On the contrary these are the issues that will dominate the affairs now.

The unorganized Jihad seems to be over. Now Muslims have to deal with the west on the diplomatic front and the issues will pertain to business, economy and finance.

For the moment let me link to this old NYT article on the topic.
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#1180 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 14:01
Syed Zaid hamid talked about Soviet spy Yuri Bezmenov in one of his videos. I have to investigate what is his importance for Pakistani affairs.
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#1181 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 14:14
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The Lame Stream Media will never give airtime to anyone who is willing to tell her. Don't forget that the media supports this train of thought.

To people like these the best thing to do is show indifference. They crave attention whether it is in the form of love or hatred. Be indifferent to them and this will light them on fire.
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#1182 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 16:01
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The Lame Stream Media will never give airtime to anyone who is willing to tell her. Don't forget that the media supports this train of thought.

To people like these the best thing to do is show indifference. They crave attention whether it is in the form of love or hatred. Be indifferent to them and this will light them on fire.

Jazakallah for the perspective.
My problem is that for years and years I have been trying to take such people head on. These are the type of people that I live with professionally. They will try to deny legitimacy of creation of Pakistan, they will try to question any thing and everything Islamic.
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#1183 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2022 20:04
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What is their opinion on Israel?

I appreciate there is a huge difference in the India Pakistan split, but would like to know what their opinions would be (considering the Palestinian and Pakistani people have one thing in common, the most vital thing! )
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#1184 [Permalink] Posted on 7th February 2022 04:38
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What is their opinion on Israel?

I appreciate there is a huge difference in the India Pakistan split, but would like to know what their opinions would be (considering the Palestinian and Pakistani people have one thing in common, the most vital thing! )

To be fair to them I have to admit that these people have been more courageously firm than people like me against Zionist atrocities in the Palestinian territories.
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#1185 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2022 06:29
What is our stand on late Gen Ziaul Haq?

I saw a Zaid Hamid video where he was all praise for the late General.
In another video a writer, Muntasar Hussain Tara, was strongly critical.

My own assessment is getting muddy.
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