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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 13:22
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I, don't know where that thread is, maybe someone can post the link here. It had some EXCELLENT clips that would give you a different way of looking at it.

So many theories but so much waste of resources, I agree muadh, but at least find the time and go through just that one thread again, maybe, just maybe you will see light at the end of the tunnel lol.

Coz you gotta start somewhere. You have a doubt, convert it to fact, that it definitely was not done by us, it was done by US ;)
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 13:59

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The problem in your argument is that you are trying to convince me when you should be trying to convince the world. It makes no difference whether I believe it or not; its the wider world which you need to convince.

In my professional opinion (after serving 8 years in US Military) it is not possible to pull something like this off without having thousands of people involved and closing hundreds of loopholes; danger of too many leaks.

I do however accept that perhaps a blind eye was turned when an oppurtunity was sensed and normal response was delayed and/or thwarted or impeded; that is entirely plausible and possible.

All it would take is just a few on top to delay reaction times (and 9/11 commission report admits that). I will go along with your assessment to say that it was deliberate vs the report highlights systematic problems and catalog of errors.

Do you see what I am saying?

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 14:23
Brother, to me and many of your readers, convincing you is a start, because once we successfully get you convinced :) eventually you will be able to break it down and make our work easy lol.

Your theory of why it would not be possible is funny. Seriously!

You were in their army and was trained to think what they want you to think lol.

I gotta go now, maybe super glue is reading and he can fill you in.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 14:24
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Point is if someones using 9/11 to counter a point made by Islamaphobes is to keep it simple just state the irrevocable common sense facts dont dwelve to much into the various theories.

For example.... Its nearly 30 years since the Lockerbie bombings 3 decades later and despite lengthy investigation we still dont know the Truth? So How is it the American Media named bin laden as the mastermind of 9/11 within an hour of the attacks taking place , before an investigation had even begun. The rules of investigation are that you examine and follow the evidence to identify a suspect you dont name a suspect and then try to fit the evidence...!


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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 14:39

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Now the discussion is getting interesting.

Naming Bin Ladin as the bogeyman within a few hours of 9/11 is obviously suspect and done (as I have said) to ensure that the incident is used for maximum leverage by the powers to be. No conspiracy theories needed; that’s obvious.

Shooting down a single plane can be easily done and made to look like a Terrorist Attack (false flag operation); that’s pretty easy too and very hard to uncover.

9/11 on the whole scale and unfolding in front of thousands is near-impossible to pull by the system ; unlike what the world thinks of US Government and its bureaucracy; its lazy, cumbersome, unyielding and prone to leaks every steps of the way.

We have differing and divergent accounts of the Bin Ladin Attack in Abbottabad (see the latest Intercept investigation last week) and that was a limited operation in a foreign country.

Classified drone footage gets leaked these days.

 To pull 9/11 off as an operation by a Government is near impossible without substantial leaks.

But it is possible to:

  1. Provide covert support to 3rd parties to enable it to happen
  2. Know about it and let it happen
  3. Know about it and then delay the response
  4. Know about it, let it happen and use it for maximum advantage

We know that Media will report what is advantageous to its National Interest. You don't have to be a zionist for that; you just need to be a Patriot; that's all.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 15:37
Then we have the use of agent provacateurs, not many people remember this but the guy who instigated the attacks and helped build the bomb in the original attacks on the World Trade Center back in 1993 was a former Egyptiam army office Emad Salem he was working for the FBI was paid Handsomely.

The recording of his conversations with his handlers are also in the public domain.

All the following have been linked to intelligence agencies Abu Hamza al Misari, Omar Bakri Muhammad, Abu Qutada, and Anjem Chaudhry amongst others.

Aaron Varson has written a book about many other so-called Terrorism plots that were foiled by the FBI.. these were infact instigated by the FBI themselves by the use of Agent Provacateurs in he mentions non-muslim criminals who received basic training in Islam and pretended to be muslims, The case of Craig Moteilh is probably the best known.

As for Muslim Agent Provacateurs having looked into it some of them were motivated by money, some were playing a game of double bluff they saw it as an opportunity to further an anti-western agenda and some where being blackmailed by the FBI caught doing something illegal or soliciting prostitutes etc.

These is no conspiracy theory here either the facts are incontrovertible. In most cases not disputed. the media has managed to gloss over it.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 15:46

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There have been always been people in the history of mankind who worked for the other side due to greed or blackmail or even to achieve a mutual goal.

Muslims took help from CIA in the 1980s in Afghanistan because they wanted to defeat USSR which was common enemy.

Again, not conpiracy but fact of life.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 16:21
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Exactly a fact that the western Public are not familiar with if majority of the were they would be outraged.

Any reference to the direct or indirect complicity of western intelligence agencies is dismissed as a conspiracy theory by the western media when muslim raise questions they are conversely accused of being sympathetic to extremism.

There is no theory here but incontrovertible facts.

Shaykh Ahmed Deedat spoke about "turning the tables".... instead of taking a defensive position rather flip the table and put the accusers in a defensive position.

As muslims we have to remember that once we are in a defensive position in a debate we have already lost.
The questions are normally designed to reinforce stereotypes the Media know that whatever answer you give the public is not going to believe you The questions are always similar i.e. womens rights, Extremism, Terrorism, unwillingness to integrate....Time to stop answering questions start asking.


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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 16:42


Syed Abu ala Mawdudi speaking in 1939 stated the following.

“It is as if the artists have drawn a picture with masterly strokes, and inscribed beneath it the legend: “The History of this Nation is a Tale of Bloodshed”.
The irony is that the painters of this picture are none other than our so-called “benefactors” who have themselves been engaged in an extremely unholy war for centuries. They themselves present us with an image of robbers who – armed to the teeth with all manner of deadly weapons, have set upon the world, pillaging it for sources of raw materials, new markets for their trade, and new lands to conquer and colonize – all of which provide fuel for their ever-burning fires of greed. They fight not for the sake of Allah or their religion, but to satisfy their lust and hunger. For them, it has always been sufficient excuse to invade a land if that land is known to contain valuable mines, or if it can be exploited as a market for their manufactured goods, or if some of their surplus population can be settled there.
In the absence of any other excuse, they would even consider it a crime on the part of a country if it happened to exist en route to a country they had already conquered, or which they intended to conquer.

Nowadays, it is more subtle: “Democracy” must be upheld, by direct intervention if necessary – except, of course, when the democratic will of the people opts for Islamic rule…!

Asia, Africa, Australia, Europe, the Americas… Which part of the world has been spared the bloodbath resulting from this unholy war? We are still witnessing their dark deeds and their horrific aftermath, on a global scale.

But they are highly skilled – let us give credit where it is due! They have managed to paint such a dark and gruesome picture of us that their own true colours have been overshadowed and obscured. Yet we should be stunned by our own simplicity and gullibility. When we saw this picture of ourselves painted by the foreigners, we were so overwhelmed by it that we never thought to look beyond it to see the face of the painter. Instead, we assumed the role of apologists,”
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 11:21

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The job of an intelligence agency is to carry out the foreign policy objectives within the confines of the law no matter how unpalatable or morally objectionable those actions may be.

If it’s in the National Interest to Arm certain groups that will be done.

If it’s in the National Interest to disarm and then kill the same groups that will be done.

I think people understand that.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 17:49
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This is the thread with the theory of "No Planes" which is very convincing too. I would also recommend everyone to watch those clips again if they could spare a few minutes here and there. Amazing what they pulled off!

www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/10640-government-...
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 21:00
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Brother,

I have watched the "smoking gun" video and that's 38 minutes of my life I will never get back, so I didn't bother watching the rest. All of these mysteries can be (and have been) answered sufficiently in scientific terms.

I guess you all have your opinions and I have mine. I still maintain that an event can be used for maximum advantage or blind eye can be turned to ensure that an event occurs unimpeeded.

Jzk

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 21:20
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All of these mysteries can be (and have been) answered sufficiently in scientific terms.


Some people love it when you're wrong but most of us here don't.

Strongly disagree with this comment. Anyway, the comments are Jaa'iz lol coz you ain't seen the video 's yet.

You can call it a waste of time, but you can waste your time refuting it

Thanks for the link bro.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 21:31
You wasted 8 years of your life lol, just spare few more minutes and watch what you've been asked to watch, not some smoking gun stuff.
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2017 21:42
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Here no theories in this one Solid Facts FBI instigated Terrorist plots in America only 9 minutes as well .....

youtu.be/SGG97dDfZ7E
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