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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 12:36

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh

  1. What are people's views on the topic of Conspiracy Theories?
  2. Do they have a place in discussions and trying to prove a point or not?
  3. What makes something  a Conspiracy Theory?
  4. Who declares it? When does it become a Fact?
  5. What impact would this have on the advent of Dajjal and Sayyidina Isa (AS)?

Give us your thoughts, please.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 14:27
Wsalam,

My thoughts:

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What are people's views on the topic of Conspiracy Theories?

50/50. Whilst some are completely bonkers and also known to be started for a related agenda, some hold value. Some are just entitled conspiracy theories to damage the value of the claim.

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Do they have a place in discussions and trying to prove a point or not?

Absolutely. But again, this depends on the which one. Like I said, some are just nonsense.

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What makes something a Conspiracy Theory?

To me, any evidence that is brought forward which questions an official (globally accepted) story. I'm sure there's a more technical definition

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Who declares it? When does it become a Fact?

The moment a question is raised and the proceeding exchange reaches a point where it cannot be denied with a fact. Then the Conspiracy Theory becomes fact and the defeated claim is proven to be the conspiracy.

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What impact would this have on the advent of Dajjal and Sayyidina Isa (AS)?

Great question. Major I would assume as it divides and influences minds.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 15:10
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 15:27
(1) I think majority these so-called conspiracy theories are only labelled to silence and ridicule people who question. I believe vast majority in particular those regarding the establishment ,Media, and Zionists are true.

(2) Absolutely.

(3) A conspiracy theory is a label the western establishment and Zionists use to silence criticism.

(4) It becomes a fact when the power of repetition is used...So once anybody raises the issue they are mocked and ridiculed.

(5) Personally have no knowledge but found both Shaykh Hamza Yusufs lecture from back in the 1990's The Dajjal and New World Order quite compelling also Shaykh Riyadh Ul Haq on the same topic I remember him saying that "The Truthful will be called a liar and a liar will be labelled truthful."
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 15:54
Considering everything which is written above, the question is:

Is the theory of Bermuda Triangle True?
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 16:12
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I have not looked into it with depth but from my understanding there is a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation.

Maybe you aught to give some examples of what theories you are referring to. The theme is to General what Considering its a muslim forum I was referring to those that directly impact muslims and are commonly labelled as conspiracy theories like the following.

(1) The western media and political establishment controlled influenced by the Zionists?

(2) The official explanation concerning the attacks on 9/11 7/7 the boston bombings are lies?

(3) Isis was created by western intelligence agencies.

(4) Anjem Choudhry and his ilk are Agent Provacateurs originally recruited by western intelligence agencies.

(5) Majeed Nawaz and his ilk are establishment agents.

(6) There is no real evidence they killed Osamah Bin Laden in Abbotababad.

(7) The Coupe in Egypt was orchestrated by the west.

(8) The attempted Coupe in Turkey was orchestrated by the west.

(9) The Majority of leaders in Muslim countries are puppets of the west.

(10) Majority so called Scholars of modernists or progressive Islam are on the payroll of the west.



etc, etc , etc.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 16:15
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Forget the Bermuda triangle, that's probably just some kind if chemical imbalance where anything in it's path dissolves. :)

Talk about 911, the biggest lie sold to the public and brushed away under the debris.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 16:15
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conspiracy theory

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noun
1.
a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2.
the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.


www.dictionary.com/browse/conspiracy-theory

Based on this defintion many conspiracy theories, if not entirley accurate, are by and large true, and have been proven to be in the past, whilst some are completely "bonkers" as already mentioned.

Essentially, all independant research will simply be written off as a "conspiracy theory" if it disagrees, hinders, causes a loss to, exposes or scares in any other way those with power and authority.

I also agree with most of the answers already given.

As for the theory of bermuda triangle, which theory do you mean as bermuda has a few, what reasearch are you referring to and by whom?
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 16:34
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About Dajjal?

If so then I don't think that's a conspiracy theory. That'd be just a theory based on other conspiracy theories.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 17:01
Moonsighting poeple are accusing each other left right and center.

People say they are being accused of firing up conspiracies and many believe it until one day, they realise that those things labelled as conspiracy therioes are indeed FACT.

The whole issue today is probaly caused by a lie by a student who feared getting into trouble and till now, everyone follows a lie. So now, a few decades later, if someone says anything, they are labelled as conspiracy theorists.

Conspiracy theories need more attention to break away from so many of the lies were are told. They are called "Theories" so they are taken lightly, where in fact they are actually true.

Majority of our people fall for the idea that "It's just bogus" and live with it like it's from a scripture.

Such people never want to hear the truth or even attempt to listen. They will shrug it off saying that they don't have time to watch/listen to "another theory" and the truth is lost and buried because of their arrogance.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 17:13
Note: Even after the recent Undercover Al Jazeera documentary that exposed the Zionist lobby and their sphere of influence its still being labelled a conspiracy theory...!

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 17:46
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Lol, though this is not a conspiracy theory, you've just linked darul uloom bury, muadh khan and 911 in one go.

Moon issue is negated based on a lie from bury, muadh khan knows this very well too but he doesn't have the time to watch videos and links I posted last year about 911 because it actually happened the way we were sold it, lol.

Is it because he has inside information on one and not the other and that's why he's anti 911 theories?

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 19:01
Their is so much falsehood about so much so that it has become difficult to differentiate the truth from the lies. People have become experts and it has become a form of art and profession to lie. I think conspiracys are a good thing, it opens the mind to alternatives to the truth or falsehood.

can't believe what you hear and see, at the same time you can't dismiss it either!
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2017 19:13
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2017 11:10

I was busy yesterday so didn't pay full attention but Alhumdolillah I have now read the fantastic responses especially by Maulana Yasin and Brother Abdur Rahman ibn Awf.

There is no doubt that the Western Media has a lot of Zionist Influence and also influenced by those in power (or rising in Power). Take the case in point of India vs Pakistan. India is a rising global power so there is no doubt that everyone visiting India considers it a duty to issue a statement against Pakistan and Media dutifully reports it.

In the 1980's Media was sympathetic to Afghanistan because the world powers wanted it. From 1995-2010 Media was extremely negative and critical of Afghanistan. From 2010 onwards the same Media is blasé about Afghanistan (no longer negative).

Rise of Donald Trump and his last Press conferences tells us why. Media relies on Access and the way Donald Trump (blatantly) went after CNN tells us why…It’s usually not that blatant but if the Media doesn’t toe the line, their access will be restricted or even curtailed.

So Zionist influence or Western influence or rising influence in the Media is not a conspiracy theory, it’s a reality.

Let’s now turn to 9/11.

9/11 lead to cataclysmic changes to the world order so whether the event itself was orchestrated OR not, it was very cleverly manipulated to lead the world into a certain direction. That is also not a conspiracy but factual.

What remains now is whether 9/11 was an inside job or not and that is a theory (conspiracy or not). Many Muslims support these theories after taking them from the likes of Alex Jones, David Duke etc…And Muslim Ulamah regularly quote them without even knowing these are extremely vile, racist and repugnant individuals. I admit that there are gaps in the official 9/11 narrative which remain unexplained.

There are many events in the world which were used to change policy or change doctrine and some of them naturally occurred while others were orchestrated.

The key question is how do you separate the wheat from the chaff? There is (indeed) a lot of disinformation out there and deliberately put out there to confuse people. Within this (overload) of information is also the truth. How do we distinguish it?

Simply saying that anything against mainstream is hogwash because a lot of stuff out by the likes of Alex Jones and co is garbage.

A lot of stuff put out by South African (Muslims) about Medicine etc is garbage.

A lot of stuff put out by Pakistani (Muslims) is garbage.

For a simple lay Muslim, how does he or she get to the truth? Don’t say follow the Ulama because a loft of their theories are debunked fantasies (like Bermuda Triangle).

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