jews, israel and bani israel

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 30th September 2016 18:27

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what is the difference between jews ( yahood) and bani israel? are they diff words for same people? also islamaphobes and zionist use verse of the quran where the holy land is promised to the bani israel, what is the response to this?

also many ulama often use the word muslim for all ambiya and their righteous followers. is this a right term to use? i would of thought haneef would of been better, isnt the term muslim just for those who follow rasoolullah (saw)

? and if it is ok to use word muslim for them then who are the jews/christians?

not sure if what im trying say is clear so if you need me to explain further let me know

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd October 2016 12:16

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd October 2016 16:40

Not an expert in linguistics, but from what I learnt from Noman Ali Khan is that Bani Israel, refers to "The 'Sons' of Israel" and hence the reason why they are refered to as such in the Quran by Prophet Eesa (as) and the fact that Prophet Musa (as) refers to them as "Ya Qaumi (O My People of Israel)" since Musa (as) is a decendant of Israel and Eesa (as) was a miracle and could not call them as "Ya Qaumi"

And Yahood, as we all know means "Jew"

Maybe that has something to do with it

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd October 2016 21:38

Some info here:

In short:
یهود as it is used in the Qur'an refers specifically to the Jews during the time of the Prophet, whereas بنی اسرائیل refers to all descendants of Israel. All یهود are بنی اسرائیل, but not all بنی اسرائیل are یهود.
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Bani Israel= race, Jews= religion
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 00:22

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Salam

Are you sure about last statement? All yahood are bani israel? How is this possible. Aint most jews today european and originally from russia or that region? Also you get black/arab/persainnjes too so they cant be bani israel.

Also all the ambiya and their true followers. What is the correct term for them? They cnt be muslims as islam didnt come until rasoolullah (saw)

came. Is it ok to say the other prophets were yahood and issa (as) a christian?

Finally if the quran promised the ardul muqadassa to bani israel then who has right claim today? Palestinians are not bani israel but nore are the filthu zios

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 06:02

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Also all the ambiya and their true followers. What is the correct term for them?

Muslim is the correct term.

Many references for this in the Qur'aan as well as detailed works of Ulamaa, doctors and even non-Muslims.

Nooh (AS):

وَأُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ

Ibrahim (AS):

رَبَّنَا وَاجْعَلْنَا مُسْلِمَيْنِ لَكَ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِنَا أُمَّةً مُّسْلِمَةً

فَلاَ تَمُوتُنَّ إَلاَّ وَأَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ

وَلَكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًا مُّسْلِمًا

Ya'qoob (AS):

إِلَـهًا وَاحِدًا وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ.....

Musa (AS):

رَبَّنَا أَفْرِغْ عَلَيْنَا صَبْرًا وَتَوَفَّنَا مُسْلِمِينَ

فَعَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلُواْ إِن كُنتُم مُّسْلِمِينَ...

Sulaiman (AS)

وَأْتُونِي مُسْلِمِينَ

Isa (AS):

نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللّهِ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَاشْهَدْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ

وَاشْهَدْ بِأَنَّنَا مُسْلِمُونَ

بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ...

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 08:47

JazakAllah for that. But it confuses.me.why we call them muslims.. isnt muslim someone who follows islam eg shariah of rasoolullah (saw)

? I can understand them.all.being haneef and on tauheed. So if they are muslim what about those true followers of theirs. Also aint most ambiya jews by race as they were all bani israel

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 09:18

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I recommend taking classes under academic scholars to properly understand it. The literal meaning, the history, the lineage, the terminologies, the technicalities are all more than just basic definitions of words to grasp so lightly.

For a layman it is sufficient that the Quran has entitled them all Muslimeen. The followers of previous prophets by definition were referred to as Muslim also in the same verses.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 09:42

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Simple, they are reffered to as Muslims because of its meaning! "The one who submits to One Allah"

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 4th October 2016 10:08

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many religions believe in one Allah. but they reject the prophet that came to them. Jews rejected isa alayhis salam as well as many others, Christians rejected nabi (saw)

. So as mentioned it's worthwhile studying the subject properly with a scholar to understand the finer details. it's a very interesting subject and trying to understand it without an expert will most likely only confuse more even though it's not a complex topic.

Until the new law was revealed, the followers of the current prophet were Muslims as mentioned in all the verses word previously.

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