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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 17:13

Personality worship.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 18:30

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are you serious? have you spent much time with tabligh jamaat?

tablighis (along with sufis) are one of the worst when it comes to personality worship.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 19:19

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tablighis (along with sufis) are one of the worst when it comes to personality worship.

Tomorrow when you turn to salafism, you will say Ahnaf are worst when it comes to personality worship.
So, ignored.

Yes, Tablighis take INSTRUCTIONS from Tableeghi ulema or shoora. What is wrong in that. We have witnessed, saathee has obsession of making their son as aalim to serve deen, our own few madaris have made the son an anti-tablighi aalim. So better be safe.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 19:21

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Yes my all friends are tablighis, and this is what I've observed that they are very stiff on tauheed.

As a side note a sufi isn't sufi if he is:

mubtadi
hazrat worshiper
grave worshiper
etc etc.

Sufi is one whose heart is saaf (clean) from ghairullah.

May be you have observed other way around. But doesn't matter as we all accept that hazrat worship is bad. So why waste time in discussing that fulaan is hazrat worshiper or not.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 19:49

this is what i have witnessed after spending many years involved in tabligh jamaat and with sufis. they were not just isolated incidents. it was pretty much across the board. i was also in denial when i was heavily involved in tabligh jamaat and with sufis so i can at least sympathise with your mentality.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 19:58

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And now you spend time with?
I myself can't find a third option, as the scholars that I spend time with are also tablighees or sufis. And a non sufi scholar is mostly nafs parast and often backbiter.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 27th May 2016 20:18

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i dont spend time with any particular group. i keep company with good people regardless of their affiliation. incidentally one of my closest friend is a purana tablighi.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 02:44

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I am from subcontinent, from the part where karbala was repeated.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 04:30

I have personally witnessed the blessings of this great work namely "The Tablighi Jamaat". Almost every saathi which I have ever met, whether he has spent 3 days or 40 days or four months or more than that. Everyone wants his son to become either an alim or atleast a hafiz. So many people including myself didn't know even the basics of Islam but due to the work of Tabligh Alhamdullillah they now know. A person will only send his son or daughter to madrassah if he knows the importance and value of ilm of deen. A person will only go to khanqah if he has been introduced to the masjid first or is atleast to some extent religous. Even if that person isn't related to tabligh, his relative or friend will be religous and will have an effect on that person which will make him go to madrassah or khanqah. However, lay persons like me who know nothing of the deen, what is for them. Tablighi Jamaat comes to the rescue for such people. There are few authentic Shuyukh whose voice is heard by the people and even their voice isn't heard around the globe because only he will hear who will want to hear. Where as the tablighi saathis are trying to reach to the people living even in the remotest areas of the world. They are literally working on raw material.

So the work of tabligh introduces lay persons to masjid, to madrassah and to the khanqah. And this was the actual intention of the work of tabligh. However, like other institutions of deen some saathis (not all) have become more emotionally attached and therefore neglect or even reject the importance of other institutions. This doesn't mean that one should criticize the whole movement. Instead one should think how much effort one has made to educate those saathis who don't know. In fact, if every one knew everything then what was the point of going out and learning the deen on the first place.

Secondly, comes the institution of madaris which is one of the pillars of Islamic civilization as Maulana Ilyas(RH), Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(RH), Mufti Gangohi(RH) and many others were all the products of madrissah. So after a lay person is introduced to the work of dawah and masjid, he must be educated in the essentials of Islam which is the work of Ulema who are produced in madaris.

Thirdly, comes the institution of khanqah in which the tazkiya of nafs is taught. This is the final institution of the betterment and refinement of the momin as far as Islam on the individual level is concerned. Here those who study deen in madaris (and common Muslims as well) learn the practical side of deen. The true goal of each act and worship of deen is achieved in this institution. How to recognize and realize the truth about oneself, about this world, the here after and most importantly Allah Subhan o Taala.

So taligh is to introduce Islam to non muslims and lay people like me among Muslims. To kindle the fire of iman in their hearts. To make them yearn and thirsty enough for learning the deen so that they could improve their life in both of the worlds. Ilm is to teach that Islam to them once they have started taken interest in it and started to open eyes. Tazkiyah is to lead them to ehsan. The path of perfection from both their outer and inner being.

Fourthly and finally, there is an institution of jihad. It is my observation that the majority of mankind are similar to cattle who need a shepherd. In any society that shepherd for the majority of people is the state. If honest, pious and people of baseerah and knowledge are ruling a state and if the system of that state is according to the will of Allah and way of the Prophet (SAWs) i.e. the Shariah, then people of that state will automatically be inclined to deen. Whoever, will commit a sin openly will be punsihed and as a result crime will be discouraged. And those institutions who will nourish the deeds of khair like masjid, madrassah and khanqah will flourish in an Islamic state. The majority doesn't pay heed to targheeb but listens well to the stick and the state possesses that stick. The real thing is that it should be used correctly.

For correcting the system of a state Jihad is necessary. This is because any system of government can't be changed without force because the beneficiaries of that system will always use the institutions of the state to protect that system. So merely words and targheeb can't persuade them to leave their interests and change the system. If only dawah, ilm and tazkiyah were enough then all the ghazwat and Fatah Makkah wouldn't be necessary. Nabi SAWS was mercy to all the Alameen even before hijrah to madinah. Even in Taif. Even when he(SAWS) and his companions (RA) were in Shoaib abi talib. Why didn't the majority of Arabs accepted Islam seeing his (SAWS) akhlaq then and there. But after the occupation of Makkah which was the centre of the Arab world and after controlling the system of Makkah, Prophet Muhammad (SAWS)'s akhlaq as a leader affected the majority.

The majority always salutes the rising sun. I consider subcontinent to be today's Makkah and Afghanistan to be today's Madinah.

Hence dawah is the beginning of Islam and Jihad is the protector of all institutions of Islam. Dawah motivates the minority towards the message. The minority which listens to the call. The minority brave enough to confront the evil customs and beliefs of the already established evil system. Through ilm that minority is then trained intellectually. The depth of the message is taught to them towards which they have come. Through tazkiyah that minroity is ethically and spiritually trained so that that understanding of the message penetrates to the very depths of their hearts. Now they are ready to sacrifice everything which they have for the message, the cause. Through Jihad that minority implements that message on the whole society.

So Dawah, Ilm, Tazkiyah and Jihad, all are the pillars of an Islamic Civilization and all are of equal importance. If any member of any institution makes mistakes then he should be corrected and educated instead of being criticized. This is the conspiracy of Shaitan to make members of each effort of deen to fight with each other.

Even some Sahabas (RA) became murtad after accepting Islam. One Sahabi (RA) commited zinah despite of being a sahabi and being in the suhbah of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). Will any one dare to criticize or reject the blessings of the suhbah of Prophet Muhammad(SAWS) [Nauzubillah min zalik].

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 06:34

I quote from a respected Srilankan Aalim.

Alhamdulillah one thing which cannot be denied is that in tableegh the physical qurbani offered by its members is increasing day by day. We accept that a few deviate from the usools. But they are the ones who offer qurbani.

Complained received globally by tableegh is that every where a person or as an institution, they want to add an additional "Carriages" to train with "SIX carriages".

Tabligh humbly and politely says,"this train with six carriages is moving smoothly from east to west, if you start adding carriages in every place, then with large number of carriages the length of train will be so long that it can't move an inch"

For not accepting the locals' advice, they get wild. We bear it for sake of Allah.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 07:09

Let us read what Molana Manzoor Nomani RA has to say about tableegh.

I ask them:
Is the condition of Darul Uloom Deoband the same as that during period of Molana Nanotavi Sahib RA and Molana Yaqoob Sahib RA

Is Mazahir Uloom Saharanpur is on the same usools and condition as that during period of Molana Ahmed Ali sahib RA and Molana Mohammed Mazhar Sahib RA

Is Jamiatul Ulema Hind the same Jamiat as during Shaykhul Hind RA and Mol Kifayatullah Sahib RA

Today's Khanqahs, are they same that of Hazrat Hajee Sahib RA and Hazrat Gangohi RA

If not? Then, whether all of them have gone astray, and on they are on gumrah and dalalah

NO!!!!!

Rasulullah SAS had said "After khairul Quroon, conditions will not be same", Does it mean in later period there was no khair left and only gumrahi prevailed.

NO!!!!

If not, they why single out Tableegh!!! and disassociate yourselves and do propaganda to others to disassociate from tableegh.

Fear Allah!!!!

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 09:54

These sufi cults and tabligh jamat are quite similar. When sincere laymen are hurt by wrong they see and try to point out problem they are insulted and seen as anti-sufi or anti-tablighi. They are told that Sufis have their own Ulama approving everything they do and Tablighis have their own Ulama approving everything they do, so sincere criticism by laymen has no value. Even if such wrongs are clear as sun as long as Ulama of that group are approving or silent then no problem at all. In this day and age it's best to stay away from all these self-approving sufi cults and tablighi jamat. These groups used to turn people to worship of Allah alone with no strings attached. But now when you see groups slowly but surely turning focus towards worship of the group itself then you know something clearly wrong even if all Ulama of that sufi cult will still obviously approve themselves and blind sheep will remain focussed on numbers and sacrifice of saathees for the cause. Akhiruz zamaan is here even if these cultists remain deluded that so many great Ulama are still around who are constantly approving themselves and their cult.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 11:29

Maulana Saad Sahab (HA) is one of the elders of tabligh and his bayans are very islahi. Other ulema in the hadayat and other bayans always point out and correct the mistakes of tablighis. As far as tazkiya is concerned it is totally based on islah so I don't know which sufi alim is approving wrong doings of his mureeds. And those who promote wrong doings are themselves not real sufis but fake ones. The real thing is to look in the mirror and find faults in oneself. There is a difference between constructive criticism and criticism for the sake of it. Many people find out faults in the institutions of deen but no one wants to provide a better solution. Why don't those who point out fingers at others start a movement of their own and prove with their deeds that their methodology is correct.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 28th May 2016 11:42

Actions speak louder than words. According to an article on wikipedia dated 2008, there is a consensus that there are approximately 12 million people around the world connected with tabligh. In such a huge group like this, there are many kinds of people from every section of society with different intentions. If there are some black sheep then why should one be shocked? Hasn't tabligh created so many huffaz and ulema around the globe. There was a pakhtun saathi who was telling me that in Darul Uloom Haqqania Akora Khattak, an ustaaz asked from the students that how many of your parents have spent four months or so in the tabligh and 85% students raised their hands.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 29th May 2016 09:39

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so sincere criticism by laymen has no value.

The sincerity is reflected in earlier. And sufis and tablighis have to obey their orders. Calling by names. No healthy society calls it criticism, it is called ABUSE.

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