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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 12:07

What do our brothers and sisters think of the latest tactics adopted by Modi? He was given an honour by King Salman. Now I have no idea why Salman would do such a silly thing. Then there was the sufi conference held in Delhi where many arab sufis, indian brelvis and sajdanasheens of the famous shrines (mostly dens of kufr and shirk) were invited. Interestingly some pakistanis including tahir ul qadri were invited and gave speeches. The hot shot of brelvis in the UK pir saaqib shami used this conference to take some pot shots at tahir ul qadri and some of his views. Then there was the speech of Modi himself. What I found most interesting in his waffle was that Modi used the example of abul kalam azad and maulana husain ahmed madni as examples of nationlism and hindu-muslim unity. That must have been a slap on the face of these wanabe sufis who mostly despise azad and maulana madani.

Anyway we are seeing this trend across the whole world. Fake sufis making alliances with the corrupt rulers. How can anyone take a conference against terrorism seriously where modi is warmly welcomed despite his state sponsored terrorism.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:10

Have you heard of 'dajal'(دجل) ? We live in a time where many things we see are not what they are.Those who talk of religion work against it,those fighting against terrorism are in reality sponsoring it,those who talk of democracy make fun of the poor,those who talk of world peace are the 'only' ones in history who used WMD...

Modi is a reflection of our age,the age of hypocrisy ,conspiracies,double standards and camouflage.Fine, we can understand it, but what about 'Khadim Ul Haramain'. Why did he opted for ignoring the innocent blood of the Muslims of Gujrat ?

There is no place for romanticism in international relations. It might be our desire that the 'brotherly' Muslim countries keep 'faith' on top of their list of priorities while making relations but the ground realities are different. International relations are based on national interests, not vague religion-based ideologies.

When Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru visited Saudi Arabia in September 1956, he received a warm welcome and was greeted by crowds chanting the slogan “marhaba rasool al salam [Welcome, prophet of peace].The number of Indians working in Saudi Arabia was 34,500 in 1975,1.2 million in 1999 and 2.96 million in 2016 (almost 50% of the 7.3 million Indians working in the Gulf who together send back almost 52 percent of the total remittances to India annually )
In 2015 the bilateral trade between India and Saudi Arabia was US $39.4. Saudi Arabia supplies 1/5th of Indian oil demand...and India is the 5th biggest customer of Saudi oil.

If you see the data above,the relations between the two 'brotherly' countries actuall got better after 'Ayodhia' mosque demolition and even more so after the massacre of Gujrat.

India has got a big number of Muslim population that is why good relations between INDIA and SAUDI is more than welcome provided its effects are reflected positively in the Indian internal policies towards Muslims.

About Sufi conference : It is an attempt by Modi to show his 'secular' face to the world. It is more a damage control measure by Modi rather than a serious policy decision. We don't need to be happy about it.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 13:43

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thats nothing new bro. unfortunately fake sufis tend to have love for dictators and oppressors. just look at bashar al asad and other arab dictators who are supported by certain sufis. as for king salman well we all know how useless the ale salool are. nothing suprises me about what they do.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 14:26

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I agree with you on these points. Why does Saudi Arabia not use it's economic clout and relationship with Saudi to ensure that Muslim minorities and their rights are protected in India as well as the constant meddling of India in the affairs of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Also I understand diplomacy but is there a real need to give Modi such a big prize? What has he actually done for Saudi Arabia or even his own country in the short term he has been in power?

About the so-called sufis, fake pirs and the gadanasheens I expect no less than them. They would meet and greet all the evil tyrants of the world as long as their urs, food, mazhar business is left untouched. These people are far removed from the affairs and concerns of the Muslim ummah.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 16:20

Despite his looks Modi has got a sharp tactical mind. He is filling the vacuume where Pakistan is leaving the empty space.

* When Pakistan was supporting Sunni Taliban in Afghanistan and Iran was supporting Shia Uzbuk and Tajik,the relations between the two countries got upset. India swiftly moved in to fill the gape and now Itan and India can even cooperate against Pakistan...but that was before Modi

* When Pakistan refused to enter Yanen war and UAE got angry,it's one minister threatening Pakistan with 'consequences' in an unofficial tweet,Modi moved in with a visit to UAE and earned a big chunk of investment.

*Saudi is angry with Pakistan for the same reason plus many more reasons hence highest award for Modi.

Two points must be considered.

1) It is the 'economy' and 'national interest' directing relations between two states not the concept of one Umma.

2) When one is begging for money all the time (Like Pakistan do) don't expect 'respect' in return. You will receive 'directions' from the states giving you money and they will expect you to comply.

Beggers can not have an independent foreign policy.

The sooner we realise these 'harsh realities' the better..,

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 17:22

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So basically our arab brothers in government want pakistanis to be their slaves and if not they will punish them through befriending India. What I want to know is why is Saudi so upset with Pakistan that it would give it's highest award to Modi? About Yemen even the Egyptian government which is financed by Saudi did not commit troups to the Yemeni conflict. Instead Egypt is given more money (a never ending cycle of money) but Pakistan is insulted in many ways?

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 17:36

i dont think pakistan and saudi have fallen out, its just they know pakistan are in the bag. pakistan relies so much on saudi money they will always be slaves to them.

also saudi is trying to diversify its economy and not rely so much on oil, so it needs new friends. maybe sucking up to modi will allow it to tap into the indian market. egypt gave saudi some island as part of a deal. many Egyptians are upset about this

most muslims countries are too scared to stand up to saudi as they all need saudi money. you cant bite the hand that feeds you.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2016 20:34

1)How the Arab mindset views the issues is clear from the statement made by Uae minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash when Pakistani parliament voted to remain neutral in Yemen war :
“The vague and contradictory stands of Pakistan and Turkey are an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries,” UAE’s Minister said.“The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous confrontation, its strategic security is on the edge, and the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements,”
quoted by renowned Emirati newspaper,Garhash warned Pakistan of having to pay a “heavy price” for taking on what he called an “ambiguous stand”. He added that Pakistan should take a clear position “in favour of its strategic relations with the six-nation Arab Gulf cooperation Council”.

It is very clear that for the respected minister,the issue is Arab vs Ajam.

2)Saudi Arabia named Pakistan as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent. The Saudi announcement had taken Pakistani Government by surprise since like the Saudi’s April 2015 anti-Yemen coalition – in which they had announced Pakistan’s membership – this time too the Saudis unilaterally announced Pakistan’s inclusion in this 34-member coalition. Pakistan’s foreign secretary had announced Pakistan knew nothing about the coalition hence could be a member.

Pakistan is uniquely placed to give a habitation and name to the Islamic military coalition, being a Sunni Muslim country with a highly professional standing army with over half a million active troops and another half million as reserves – and being a nuclear power to boot

Pakistan is circumspect about the ‘Islamic NATO’, which becomes a template of the Saudi-Iran regional rivalry, Riyadh’s protestations notwithstanding. And Pakistan has a history of bloody sectarian violence. “Geographic, geopolitical and geoeconomic reasons — along with issues of religious sensitivities — dictate that Pakistan must not take sides in the (Saudi-Iran) rivalry. Of course, this is easier said than done. Pakistan has enjoyed good relations with Saudi Arabia for decades while the kingdom has been a major economic benefactor, which means the Saudis will be expecting Pakistan to return '

3)After USA, undoubtedly Saudi Arabia is the major socially, religiously and politically contributing factor in Pakistan either positively or negatively. Though nowadays her negative factors are more clearly showing their effects on Pakistani society. Even Wiki leaks gave evidence of this symbiotic relationship, when Saudi Ambassador, Adel al-Jubeir, was showing off in front of USA Ambassador, “We in Saudi Arabia are not observers in Pakistan, we are participants.”

The perception in Public inside Pakistan is gradually changing regarding the involvement of Saudi Arabia in Pakistan , and Saudi,s are well aware of it...

Throughout history Saudi Arabia’s main focus in their foreign policy was on the spread of Wahabism and containing of influence of Iran in Muslim world -

Pakistan is a victim of proxy war of two Middle Eastern states. As Iran supporting the Shiite Muslims of Pakistan and Extremist groups of Sunnis, being supported by Saudis, gave rise to the sectarianism in Pakistan, resulting in total wipe out of the highly skilled and educated lot of Pakistan, like doctors, scholars and even high profile political figures. This proxy war especially accelerated after the Iranian revolution, Saudis wanted to contain their influence in Middle East. During 80s and 90s they funded many extremist organizations for instance Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) which started propagating against the shiites in Pakistan. In response Iran funded Tehreek-e-Fiq-e-Jafariya.

This over all analysis of the current relation shows that now Saudis are interfering way too much, first it was only being run by USA now Saudis are also deeply involved. Saudis' positive contribution cannot be neglected or forgotten but Pakistanis feel they need some space.

4) Saudi Arabia’s support of Pakistan is conditional on who is at the helm of affairs. The Th e Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP)-led government always found its relationship to be under strain with Saudi because of a number of reasons. The kingdom,has historically disliked the PPP and feared Benazir and Zardari, whom it suspected to be Shia.

On the other hand,Saudis have an economic hold on Sharif, since he was reportedly the first non-Saudi to receive a special economic development loan from the Saudi government with which to develop a business while he was in exile.” It is evident that that Saudi kingdom had a lot of expectations from Sharif,which he is not capable of fulfilling,hence great disappointment for the kingdom.

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