Shaykh Nuh keller and his views

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2016 14:21

Until recently I had extreme husne dhann for Shaykh Nuh keller. As many have witnessed on this forum I have supported him on many occasions but stopped short of encouraging anyone becoming his mureed due to my love and reverence for the deobandi scholars and their noble way.

Anyway it has come to my attention that Shaykh Nuh has said in his recent Orlando suhba that his beliefs are closer to brelvis than deobandis. He also makes the claim that deobandis do not celebrate mawlid

Now let us look at this statement. So he is not claiming in practicies that he is closer to brelvis but in beliefs?? Has he actually thought this through? Is he aware of certain beliefs of the brelvis? Maybe he could say in certain practices he is closer to the brelvis but a central belief of the brelvis is takfir of the elders of deoband.

The second question is if what he defines as mawlid and considers mustahab is to merely speak on the Prophet sallahualahiwasalam then I can say we as deobandis celebrate mawlid more than him and his mureeds. So on both issues he has some explaining to do.

Now my next message is directed to a lot of the deobandi ulema and the laymen. They will refute salafis all day long whilst the likes of shaykh Nuh keller get away scotch cleen. His previous article on iman and takfir clearly agrees with brelvis on their points and accusations against the brelvi elders. The only difference is that he stops on the issue of takfir.

Why did not a single deobandi respond to it except the respected Dr Hanif saab respond to this.

When Hamza Yusuf made his horrible blunders on the lahori qadiyanis, dante, studyquraan and a host of issues we stayed silent. Rather many of our ulema support him.

The time has come to speak up against these people in our midst and the issues like how we speak up against salafis like abu ibraheem husnayn etc.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2016 17:05

most of the arab sufis are definitely closer to barelvis than deobandis, in aqeedah, fiqh, attitudes. they make istigatha, emphasize too much on sufi rituals, revere all sufis no matter how far-off they are and hate all salafis no matter how much benefit they may have in them. they are also much less strict on shariah and sunnah, in the west at least. i thought this was common knowledge so i am surprised that shaykh nuh (haf) saying "we are closer..." even matters to you. of course he's closer to barelvis.

imo, refuting people by name is dangerous. actually it can have the opposite effect and make more people gravitate towards the wrong-doer. especially popular muslim "celebs" like shaykh hamza yusuf. rather, just focus on the core issue and speak on that.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2016 17:48

I read a similar thread on Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller (db), on a Barelvi, except that the accusation was that he should be refuted for his respect for Deobandis and banned from Barelvi mosques in the U.K.

The Mashaykh of Yemen, Shaam, and the Maghrib are all perhaps closer to the Barelvis in practices like Mawlid, and Khatams
and Mystical sufism. So i fail to see what he said that was wrong.

I think there are more pressing concerns out there for us living in the west..... The very foundations of deen are being attacked by the governments and there satelite organisations. The Quilliam Foundation, The so-called Homosexual muslim lobby, Muslim Progressives, Muslim rationalists , Muslim feminists etc.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2016 20:07

When we quote Maulana X or Mufti Y or Shaykh Z and their relationship with someone, do we check to see if they actually have "facts" about the person?

In my decades of (personal) experience, if you actually confront these Maulana X or Mufti Y or Shaykh Z about a person they usually have Husnudh-Dhan about the person but not factual analysis or information.

Reverse is also true.

A South African Mufti said something about Shaykh Yasir Qadhi recently, I asked the person (in-between) to DEMAND an explanation and keep insisting on a detailed explaination...Only for the South African Mufti to back down and say that it will take too long for him to explain and he is Busy

Laymen need to check facts before quoting Ulama.

These Syrian/Jordanian Sufees are "Pink Barelwees" if not "Barelwees" and since our Deobandee Sufees were intellectually not capable of refuting Salafees on their own they went running to these guys, much of our courses, books, blogs and articles are by these "Pink Barelwees" whose existence is their hatred of "Wahabees"....They have no problems licking the boots of Moroccon & Jordanian Royal families though :- )

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2016 10:55

Please elaborate on "Pink". Its an interesting terminology/label.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2016 12:38

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First of all what he did was legitimise brelvi beliefs. Notice if he had said in certain actions then it would have been tolerated but he said beliefs. The other issue is his statement on mawlid. We do mawlid more than him if his defintion is just a talk on Rasulullah sallahualahiwasalam though in food I think brelvis do beat us. The reason why shaykh nuh needs to clarify his remarks as we have this pink tasawuff spreading in deobandi ranks

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2016 14:05

After PM Modi's Appeal, Barelvi Sufis Hit Out Against Wahabism in India

NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi appealing to the clerics of Barelvi sect among the Muslim Sunni community to step up their efforts to counter extremism, the clerics have raised a clarion call against the Wahabi ideology and demanded the government to clear the Waqf Boards across the country off the control of Wahabi elements.

An anti-terrorism Sunni conference organised by All India Tanzeem Ulama -e- Islam (AITUI) in the national capital on Monday spewed venom against the Wahabi ideology and cautioned the community against the radicalisation being funded by the Saudi and Qatar petro-dollars.

"AITUI clearly states that this radicalisation is being spread within Muslim community like a virus by Wahabi elements funded by Petro dollars of Saudi Arabia & Qatar ... AITU wants to highlight the fact that ISIS is active in Indian under different names and banners. These ISIS fronts are organising conferences, and programmes to show their presence in India to their Saudi and Qatar-based funders and to assure them that they are present in India and working for the vested interests of Wahabis Monarchies of Saudi Arabia & Qatar," declared the conference of Barelvi clerics at Talkatora Stadium in the national capital while demanding the government to ban organisations promoting Wahabi and Salafi objectives.

"We want to say that these radical organisations are working for Wahabi and Salafi objective of radicalising youth in the name of social revolution. AITUI demand that the activities of these extremist organisations be banned as they are working against national security," the conference demanded, asserting that "Wahabism is part of dirty politics and has nothing to do with Islam". The impressive gathering of Sufi Sunni Muslim community members in the national capital, in this backdrop, also pitched its battle against the dominance of Wahabi or Deobandi followers in the affairs of Waqf Boards and minority educational institutions and prevalence of their teaching through various forms in the country.

The gathering holds significance in wake of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's appeal to members of Barelvi sect to counter extremism by way of Sufi version of Islam "In his remarks during a meeting with a delegation of 40 Barelvi Sufi Scholars from various parts of the country this evening, the Prime Minister said that forces of extremism are attempting to weaken the Sufi ideology today. He added that it is essential for Sufi saints and scholars to counter these forces through various avenues including on social media, so that the ideology of extremism does not take root in India," a government communique had revealed about Prime Minister's appeal to the community of Barelvi Sufi scholars in their meeting in August last year.

While the August communique by government did not refer to Wahabi ideology, the gathering of Barelvi Sufi clerics in the national capital today launched a tirade against the Wahabi ideology and sought government action to contain the followers of Wahabi sect in Waqf Boards among other things.

Source : Stupid Economic Times

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2016 14:32

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Maybe their beliefs are the same Allahu alim. From what i can tell the beliefs of the Habaib from Yemen on issues like Hazir Nazir, Istaghatha, Noor and Bashar are same as Barelvis.

Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoobis beliefs seem to be the same as well he went even further and stated whoever does not recognize Maulana Ahmed Raza Khan and opposes him, is not from Ahle sunnat Wal jamaat.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th February 2016 09:30

Im not going to lie, brelvis annoy me. My mate got into brelvi tasawwuf and now considers me a kafir and refuses to give salam or reply to my salam. I don't know much about shaikh nuh keller but i have noticed that deobandis praise him, maybe he should be confronted.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2019 10:21

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That is a very rude way of describing ulama. Mufti Taqi db also has good relationship with members of the Royal Jordanian family. Search for pince Ghazi and Taqi Usmani for instance

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