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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2016 13:57
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

What are your thoughts and opinions on the following. Do you know of any other useful articles related to this subject matter?

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Under pretexts like "culture", and "contextualisation", western influenced Musim scholars are now attempting to change the very ethos of Islam. They are attempting to uproot, redefine and reinterpret some of it's most fundamental principles and they are trying to do it through a display of their falsly percieved superior intellectuaal abilities and level of education. At the same time, those that are steadfast in their commitment to upholding the sunnah, values and principles of Islam are portrayed as backwards narrow minded and unable to implent Islam in the 21st centuray western world.

Here is some interesting reading about this hidden fitnah that is becoming more and more common and confusing the general Muslim masses in the west.

The Project for a New American-Islamic Cultural Order
www.albalagh.net/food_for_thought/0100.shtml

Shocking Changes at Zaytuna College
mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/08/06/shocking-changes-at-zaytuna-co...

Dr Akram Nadwis Disastrous Mistake
mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/04/26/dr-akram-nadwis-disastrous-mis...

Rejected Modernism: Women Speakers addressing mixed gatherings
www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Civil/free-mixing.html

Women and the Masjid: Avoiding Extremes
www.albalagh.net/women/0101.shtml

The day Islamic Nasheeds gave birth to Islamic Songs
mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/12/15/the-day-islamic-nasheeds-gave-...

Decolonising the Mind
www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Civil/decolonising-the-m...
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2016 14:05
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It was in here also where Mufti Abdur Rahman speaks about Islam and England. What he says is very true. I would rather be in England than any other Western country because of its vastness and compatibility to practicing our Deen.

Nothing to the contrary to our beliefs either.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2016 15:00
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There used to be a Brother on Sunniforum years ago, whose regular complaint in his posts was... "Men have lost their Ghayra and Women have lost their Hayah." Having Hayah and Ghayrah are ridiculed as being backward.

Even in Muslim countries people without Morals or Modesty are acquiring positions and power and media presence. Even in traditionally ultra-conservative countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan, the media have stooped to low levels of shamelessness, lewdness and depravity.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2016 15:12
Yes Mufti Abdu Rahman does hint towards it, terming it as "soft fitna".

England is not as advanced as America towards these liberal attitudes towards sunnah and sharia, but it's catching on here in the UK pretty fast. Something needs to be done to counter it. What would be the best way to counter it? As for living here, yes a person can still live fairly comfortably here whilst still abiding by sunnah.

The issue I want to address is not actually the living ability but the mindset, the thoughts that are now taking root about "how can we bend Islamic laws to suit our lifestyles instead of having to struggle and sacrifice to uphold and promote the sunnah". This mindset is literally uprooting the very ethos of Islam. And it's coming from people who are supposed to be classically trained in the traditional sciences of Islam, not just some random modernist. I'm not addressing outright modernists, but people in outlook who seem to be trained and studied in things like fiqh, aqeeda, tafsir etc.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 6th January 2016 15:49
"Men have lost their Ghayra and Women have lost their Hayah." Having Hayah and Ghayrah are ridiculed as being backward.

An excellent quote. It does seem to be the case that one of the primary reasons a lot of this liberal attitudes are appearing is becasue "Men have lost their Ghayra and Women have lost their Hayah."
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 8th January 2016 09:43
I think the following concise statement by Mufti Abu Hajira from Sunniforum is also a very big part of the problem. I got it form here akramnadwi.wordpress.com/

"I think us awaam are really twisted in understanding and recognizing Ahl ul Ilm. We get over awed by the voluminous works, ability of orration and recently an above average ability of referencing our information. I know among my own teachers a couple whose knowledge is like an ocean, yet what becomes apparent in person is mere casual words. It is only in a proper discussion, that their understanding of the deen gets displayed."

One other thing I would add is that the level of "professionalism" as understood in the western sense (a snobberish-like attitude which just has to have posh standards of classrooms with smartscreens and latest technology, western style dress code, trimmed or virtually non existent beards, non of the backwards segegration between brothers and sisters) seem to be the over riding factor for who is and isn't ahl ul ilm. They consider the simple, humble, thobe wearing topi/imamah wearing, long bearded person who sits on the floor to teach and learn surely cannot be ahulul ilm as he is so backwards in just his appearance and methods!

Not sure if I explained that properly as of course we should take advantage of things like technology and improve standards, but there is just something not right about the way all this is manifesting itself in these westernised institutes. Perhaps it's the environment that is not conducive to spirtuality or perhaps it's the almost complete disregard for the importance of "outer" sunnah, I don't know, but there is clearly something not right and is making matters worse.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2016 14:44
Amongst the main aspects of western culture is

1. lack of haya and ghayra
2. Music
3. Living life to the fullest (just enjoying yourself in any way)

It should then come as no suprise that western cultural Muslims are subjecting Islam to these western cultural traits, when in reality Islam came to liberate mankind from these detrimental traits.

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In a daring article published in the Telegraph, Yusuf Islam opens up on his reasons for a return to music. In one line he says, ‘they told me to stop playing and take up learning. I tell them listen to me, this is our culture which we have lost touch with


mybeliefs.co.uk/2014/11/10/resurrecting-cat-stevens/
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2016 15:22
Assalamu alaikum I have a suggestion on how to start combatting these issues. Separate what really falls under 'changing core Islamic values' from those that things that seems to be changing core Islamic values but in reality are just going against a particular culture or school of thought, but are perfectly valid according to shariah. Then explain these issues properly to the public when they arise and don't hide it from the public.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2016 16:42
Unfortunatley, for almost everything you will get some fringe "opinions" that make it look like it is acceptable in sharia. The problem today is that these fringe opinions are given precedence over the established rulings. The reason for that is most people are following thier nafs. They are not interested in following what is likely to be correct, or the established opinon in the madhab, or the closest to the sunnah.

Take the example of Musical instruments for example. The established position in all 4 madhabs is that they are not permitted. But that goes against nafs, and becasue there are some fringe opinons that allow them, these opinions are dug up and:

1. Brother, there is a difference of opinon, according to xyz it's allowed.
2. It's a cultural issue, in the west we are just connecting with our culture here.
3. We are using it to give dawah - it's appealing to the non muslims...

A lot of these people, making justifications like this, are usually critical of the salafees for not sticking to a madhab and re-interpreting things, but they are doing exactly that themselves. In fact they are doing it worse than the salafees, atleast the salafees think they are following quran and sunnah. These people are picking and choosing becasue of their whims.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2016 09:34
Curse of the inferiority complex:

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We see Muslims today whose weak mentality leads to them to imitate those aspects of non-Muslim lifestyle which are prohibited for the believer, and even worse still, we see some Muslims actively questioning and seeking to ‘reform’ and ‘reassess’ crucial pillars and principles of the religion. This may be outwardly proclaimed as modern and liberal thinking, but in fact these vague and undefined terms are all mere excuses for the inferiority complex that some Muslims have started to subconsciously suffer from.


www.islam21c.com/islamic-thought/curse-of-the-inferiority...
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2016 20:54
This article is a MUST read. From a non Muslim, it gives ideas on what aspects Muslims can consider to be just “cultural” and do away with in the “Americanization of Islam” process. The best thing about this article is that it gives comparisons to how the jews did these things before the Muslims, and therefore became good american citizens.

Before focusing on the main things, it mentions the easy things like Language, Dress and cuisine. These are seen as the easy ones to mold Muslims into the west.

Yet, dress is not entirely based on culture as there are numerous guidelines for dress code in Islam.
There is also an Islamic ethos surrounding eating habits and of course everyone knows the importance of the Arabic Language for Islam.

Before I highlight the main things it is interesting to note that the article states that it is Muslims Imams that need to learn to adopt the western cultural traits and then promote it to the Muslims at large. This is exactly what is happening. It is groups and people within Islam that have recently become extremely vociferous in calling for cultural change.

Here's a quick extraction of some of the things I found. It's interesting to note that some of these things are already happening, Muslim Imams are already calling for some of these things.

1. No need for Arabic language in Friday worship (it seems to be referring to khutba). This is already happening.

2. 4. Gender segegration is cultural so get rid of it (this is already happening). But the next step, families should pray together in the mosques. “ The American expression, “The family that prayers together, stays together,” has merit in this particular situation.”

3. Chairs and benches in mosques, why worship on knees “because in America we sit in chairs or on benches when worshiping”

4: Stop praying barefoot “the westernized masjid community might consider doing what Christians and Jews did hundreds of years ago, namely, dispense with the barefoot requirement in deference to the realization that in America such a cultural legacy is out of place in a society that emphasizes personal cleanliness."

5. Don't say salaams anymore “ Is there a cultural distancing of Muslims from non-Muslims that results from the use of the Arabic greeting rather than an English expression such as “Hello”?”

6. Don't have islamic sounding names anymore “ is it necessary for all American Muslims to elevate the Arabic-sounding names of their children in order to secure their allegiance to Islam?”


A couple of more quotes:

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“Clearly, Islam is being Americanized (Nyang). For good or ill, only time will tell, but that it is happening is indisputable. The price being paid by Islam is the price of assimilation and assimilation is the price, as we have been saying, for doing business in America. ”[/quote]

[quote]“ That some things will have to be given up in the de-ethnicization process and the re-enculturation of the immigrant Muslim community is unquestionably true. ”


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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 27th January 2016 20:59
After reading the above article, I think perhaps concerned was right. In order to stop this it needs to be highlighted exactly what is culture and what is not. People are confused and are doing away with core Islamic values becasue they think it is only cultural.

However another question I would like answered is why is there such a loud call for culturel change and adopting western culture from some Muslim quarters? Has this ever happened before, Muslims going to another land and calling for adopting the local customs on so many levels? In such a strong manner?
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2016 03:47
I agree there is a problem, but i was just pointing out that not every change that is different to what we know is part of the problem or done with the wrong intention .
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No need for Arabic language in Friday worship (it seems to be referring to khutba). This is already happening.[/quote]

Isn't that a valid difference of opinion?


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6. Don't have islamic sounding names anymore “ is it necessary for all American Muslims to elevate the Arabic-sounding names of their children in order to secure their allegiance to Islam?”


So there is no problem adopting names with Persian and Urdu origins, but adopting names from other origins with good meanings become a problem?
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2016 08:39
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Sorry for not making myself clear, I wasn't saying those specific things are wrong (they can be wrong under certain circumstances e.g if the foreign names have a derogatory meaning). I was simply pointing out how easy it is to paint everything with the cultural brush. And that is exactly what is happening in the west right now amongst the Muslims, increasing on a day to day basis. Where, and more importantly how, does one draw the line as to what is culture and what is not? What about the other 3 or 4 things I mentioned? Are they now acceptable for Muslims as it is part of western culture?

If you read that paper there are things in it you and I will agree with and there are things which we cannot agree with.

So what is culture and what is not?

One of the things that is strongly being lauded as nothing more than a cultural innovation these days is the idea of gender segegration in places like mosques, conferences, schools etc. It is becoming more and more common to have no barriers at conferences seperating genders, who are now sitting parallel to each other. Is that from the sunnah (to have no segegration), and the traditional way of segegration was nothing more than a cultural innovation across the Muslim world?

I can list probably about 20+ things that need discussing from the sunnah vs culture issue, but let's discuss this one first as it is becoming very common.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2016 12:22
I'm really shocked to see yusuf Islam back on stage!
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