Would the real Javed Ahmed Ghamdi stand up?

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2017 16:33

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Yes that is a consideration that needs to be evaluated. A cost benefit analysis would need to be done.

I am not sure outside the desi community if he would ever get any recognition, but within desi community especially his followers in the west, for them his academic refutation and be able to read it might have an impact.

If anything some confused minds might get some clarity and ulema would have something to refer back.

Here is the book, before he starts to present his deductions he authoritatively presents his usools in the first few chapters.

I have couple of refutations of him in urdu, done by dr. Mufti Abdul Wahid of Pakistan and Darul ul Karachi scholars. It was an attempt, but something in detail addressing directly content from his Meezan book would become a great reference.

www.ghamidi.net/Books/Ghamidi/New_Edition/Meezan.pdf

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2017 19:20

Mufti Tariq Masood sahab about Javed Ahmed Ghamdi:

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2017 21:51

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Unfortunatey these type of individuals are emerging amongst every muslim population from East to West. Some working under the auspices of western governments. They are attracting a following amongst the educated classes.

Common factor is they are usually well read, they can seamlessley quote Imam al Ghazali (Ra) , one minute and switch to shakespeare, and tolstoy the next.

Giving the illusion to the ignoramuses that are attracted to them these individuals are intellectuals. Whilst the Ulemah are backward and stuck in the Dark Ages.

They are often highly intelligent, their source of misguidance is their own intelligence which leads to a superiority complex.

They usually have if not partial in most cases total disregard for Traditional Scholarship...In their minds the Deen needs to be renewed and updated consistently to suit the norms and customs of the people at the present time in history.

They also blend in concepts of Psychology of Success promoted by the self help industry which people now a days find very attractive. Which feeds in to the worldly desires and ambitions of people.

Problem is how to effectively counter such people? The Traditional way of protests only seems to feed the ego of such indviduals and they seem to revel in their notoriety amongst muslims and usually use that as a
platform to gain popularity amongst non-muslims and earn Millions.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2017 16:52

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 7

24 Minutes Onwards

When the interviewers accuse him of coining his own Usools and interpreting the Noble Qur'an according to his own whims he turns the accusation on its head and accuses the conservative Ulama of not interpreting the Noble Qur'an according to the Qur'anic Usool ( the Book being Furqan and Meezan) but the Usool coined by themselves.

This is a bit dense of him. He indulges in freelancing and then accuses the orthodox Ulama of freelancing.
This issue is not difficult to decide even on the basis of Mantiq. Let us ask who is closer to the methodology of ancient Ulama?
If the answer is that these are the conservative and orthodox Ulama then it becomes apparent that it he who has coined Usool that are freelancing. He even mentions his book and Usool and Mabadi section of it. This is cheeky. I really feel the pain of Ulama because in spite of knowing that his book can only be rubbish they still have to go through it in order to refute it.

People who abuse Ulama for their conservatism and orthodoxy must take into account these type of contingencies where a freelancer decends on the scene and demands utmost respect and credit in matters of Deen where he has not achieved the requisite qualification to be a party. He lacks formal education and he lacks the company of the pious people yet he wants to extract full price of a respectable 'Alim and our Ulama have to give it to him. One's heart is filled with love for Ulama and resentment for people like Ghamdi who is acting like a perefct pest.

He also talks about Aql-o-Fitrat, reasonable and natural.
Is Masah of leather socks reasonable? No.
Is Salah a natural act? No. Naturally we are lazy.

One of the young Maulwis points out that how come people did not understand the things for fourteen hundred years and then you come and your stand does not match with either Deobandi, Barelwi or Salafi interpretation.

He flatly denies and says that he never said any such thing. He disingenuoysly asserts that he has Husn-ad-Dhunn that Deobandi (and other scholls too) have approached the issues in the same manner as he had done and yet they have come out with their own conclusions.

If others have a right to indulge in their interpretation then who imposed the condition that no more methodologies different from traditional ones will be allowed to do the interpretation.

The problem with his interpretation is that his methodology is inferior to the methodology of Deoband (and Barelwi too) in rather drastic degrees. He thinks that the traditional methodologies lack logic, reason, rationality and naturalness while that is not true. The poor fellow also does not realize that the biggest ingredient that he lacks and misses is Taqwah. He is so old that even if he starts working on it now then it will take him much more time to compensate for it then the time conservative Ulama took to acquire it for they began in yound age when they could be moulded. The guy is a near complete lost case. I do not even have sympathies for him because of his arrogance (in spite of his profuse politeness) and his sillyness.

When the young scholars point it out to him that he is creating a Fitna by creating a new Firqa he neither apologizes nor feels sorry and starts explaining to the Ulama as to how a Firqa is born. The implication is that Ulama are ignorant and he is knowledgeable and the Ulama should educate themselves. he is completely oblivious to both his arrogance and cheekiness.

Then he gives an argument that he is not creating a new Firqa but the argument in itself has the full assertion and implication of generating a Firqa.

30 minutes over.

He admits that many times he reaches wrong conclusions and hence he changes his views.
He takes it as the normal process and the correct and appropriate one too.
He does not realize that the traditional approach completely eliminates personal opinion from the beginning and focusses on the actual meaning.

He once again explains his approach and for the umpteenth time it becomes clear that he is indeed adopting the freelancing route.

Young Maulwi misses one very interesting admission. Mr Ghamdi says that he is the only one admitting his mistakes while he has not met any traditional Alim doing the same. He does not realize that if he falls so many times into error then there might be something wrong with him. He also does not realize that if the traditional Ulama do not fall into errors as many times as he does then they might in fact be using a methodology better than his methodology. How long can one keep making room for the mistakes of a fool?

Next question of the young Maulwi is really very cute.
He says that you demand that people, and here the intention are Ulama, should always admit the possibility of mistake in one's own conclusions and possibility of truth in other's opinion.

This is rather crafty of Mr Ghamdi and the moron is not even aware of his own deception.
He is hoping that the double shot (1) possibility of mistake in the conclusions of traditional Ulama (2) possibility of truth in his own conclusions will ensure some concession for him and hence the requisite credit. This is disingenuous. He is destined to be wrong everytime it comes to matters involving Taqwa for there are only two things in his inventory and armory - logic and naturalness. His mistake is that these two things are missing from traditional Ulama. This is a huge stupidity on his part. Today the intelligent people might be more inclined to go for medical and ingineering buit that was not the case always. In past not only was Taqwa much higher but even the priorities of people were different. A man who did graduation in philosophy is pitying himself against those people of past who were much more intelligent than he is today.

His case is just hopeless.

Next the yound Alim is miffed and tells him that though you are feigning humility at the moment but when you assert your views you talk with such conviction, authory, attitude and assertion as if you have really reached divine levels something one can not do from human levels.

In response he is slightly defensive for the first time and says that if over stated himself then someone could just refute it.

This facility and hospitality can not be extended to him because he is demanding undue consideration. Deen is what Allah SWT wants and what has been explained to us by beloved Prophet SAW. Mr Ghamdi is demanding that I want to do some freelancing and it is my natural right to indulge in that and it should be everybody's natural right and poor Ulama must spare time and energy to accommodate him and others of his ilk and be indulgent towards them and no one should demand the same discipline of piety and Taqwa from his as is observed and has been observed by the scholars for fourteen hundred years.

This is impertinence. Arrogance, even if stated politely, remains a major sin.

He misses the import that his adoption of high pulpit is not warranted and takes it as a complement that he speaks with authority. He does not realize that a fool is not always forgiven. He can not claim human failing as an excuse for ever. Deen is all about Divine will and nothing about personal opinion. How dense one can be. Apparently very dense.

He then tells us about a manuscript in Allama Iqbal museum by Allama himself where the Allama writes about the Noble Qur'an as he understands it.

This is a goody example. Let us think of Ghamdi vs Allama. How does the comparison sound? Does he come any close? No, not at all.

Now let us ask another question did Allama claim any better understanding of Deen than traditional Ulama.
Unfortunately yes.
Allama had a spat with Hazrat Hussain Ahmed Madni RA about understanding of Deen.
He, Allama, claimed better understanding.
The second last page in Kulliyat-e-Iqbal is about that.
The wisdom is that Allama was on stronger footing.
Yet Allama also said in his last days that the controversy was unnecessary.
Conclusion?
Well the controvercy was unnecessary. Allama said it.
It also means that there was no controvercy.

So we conclude that Allama did not have any difference of opinion with traditional Ulama.
And if he still had then it did not become well known.
This means that Allama did not indulge in freelancing.

When Allama says that he hs written about Deen as he understands it then he simply meant that he is human and he was liable to commit mistake. It also meant that his words should not be taken as final and he should not be taken as superseding traditional authority.

Poor Me Ghamdi is taking Allama's humility as a license for his arrogance. Dense.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2017 15:24

Now the tension is that I do not use more force than needed to arrest the law breaker Mr Ghamdi.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2017 16:31

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 8

Q: Every time your book Meezan is published you change the conclusions in it. What should those people who want to follow you do?
A: I presented my conclusions and I want others also to do the same. It is difficult for you to follow it because you come from Taqleed based school of thought. A scholar once said that my mind is fossilised on what I learned 24 years ago. This is not good for a student.

The cheeky moron once again repeats and asserts the superiority of his inferior methodology.

There is a Hadith saying if anyone introduces a new thing in Deen, an innovation, then he has ensured his location in the hell.

Deen is about what Rasoolallah SAW told us. Mr Ghamdi insists that we should gave up the traditional methodology start indulging in opinionating about Deen. He is acting against Deen.

To assert that it is difficult for a Taqleedi 'Alim to understand his methodology is another repetition of his arrogance where he thinks he has got something superior that is beyond the reach of the conservative Ulama. By implication it also means that there are certain things that Mr Ghamdi understands but Hazrat Thanwi RA did not. That Mr Ghamdi understand but Hazrat Imdadullah Muhajir Makki RA did not. Certain things that Shah Waliullah RA, Mujaddid-e-Alf-e-Sani RA did not understand but Mr Ghamdi does. This regression will reach upto Sahaba RA.

The foolish person simply does not understand the implications of his stupidity.

Then he gives us another hideous assurance to not close the door or recosideration of his opinion either on himself or others.
This, on its face, looks like a good thing because what is wrong in reconsidering an opinion if happens to be wrong. The trouble is he has jumped from the traditional methodology that has served us well for fourteen hundred years to a methodology that has not served us even fourteen years as is clear from the fact that Meezan, his book, changes its conclusions with every publication. To top it all the idiot insists that others too should quit the traditional methodology and follow him.

Then he suggets that before Taqleed came into existence his method was the one that was followed.

This is plain wrong. Taqleed came into existence not as a revolt against freelancing but because of the fact that different Faqih reached different conclusions. Rasoolallah SAW told that all of his Companions RA are like stars and anyone of them can be followed to reach salvation. Schools of Fiqh are implementation of that rule. Mr Ghamdi is advocating something different - he is promoting freelancing.

He has a misplaced confidence upon his freelancing and on his meagre abilities and capabilities. If he chooses to not follow the traditional methodology and does not give up his wayward attitude then he is working against the Deen.

His ignorance prods him furthet and he says that if he commits some mistake then there will come people later on who will do the similar things like him and do the correction. Brainless fellow does not know that falsehood and ignorance do not have the property to breed - these perish sooner than later.

If someone says that he has known the truth in its finality then he is deceivibg himself for this is simply not possible for human beings. The ironic thing is that he himself thinks that he has found some piece of truth that was not available to pious predecessors. The man utterly and completely lacks felicity.

In knowledge, he asserts, that you have to constantly keep questioning it. He actually means that we must keep questioning truth. Lord Most High willing one day he will loose contact not only with truth but reality too. I hope it happens soon.

That is when the young Maulwi does his duty and presents a brilliant argument. He say that this evolution that you are imagining and assserting for Deen is not valid and it is valid only about knowledge that it keeps evolving. Deen was finalized 1400 hundred years ago. You are disintegrating people by spreading confusion about Deen by making an attempt to make it evolutionary.

The neuron challenged midget resorts to a trick at this moment. He asserts that his basic assumption is that Deen comes from rasoolallah SAW and if his critics want some addition or subtraction in it then they should tell it and he has said his final thing.

This kind of answer was resorted to by earlier Ulama when they realized that the majority has turned aginst them and they might have committed some mistake that they themselves can not realize. At such a moment the cornered 'Alim simply would assert There in no god but God and Muhammed is His messsenger. This was their way to return to the majority - to do Ruju.

His attitude is not of Ruju biut of craft. He says that he is not introducing Socrates or Plato while the fact is that he did introduce these elements just a while ago.

Then we have a distraction because of the man in coat about Deen being Ilm and beloved Prophet PBUH being the original source.

In this he quickly comes to the assertion that Deen will either be told by Prophet of God, SAW, or our mind and intellect will tell.

Here the fallacy is the following. Human intellect, aided by human experience, can tell us a lot about life and truth and reality. The Noble Qur'an accepts it and acknowledges it. It asks,"Don't you have reason, intellect, thinking ability?"

But this logic, reason, thinking and pondering must be tempered by revelation.

Christians deformed and modified the message of God.
Before that Jewish people did that.
Both of these groups had reason, intellect, thinking of hifgest order.
Yet they could not recreate the lost Deen.
That is the limitation of logic, reason, intellect, pondering.
It is overruled by revelation.
Not the otherway round.
This is the mistake this man is doing.

He in the monolgue after above mentions that Sufi's is another way of narrating Deen.
As if the Sufi is creating the Deen. He simply does not realize what horrors he is mouthing.

He then asks what new thing he has said.
He does not realize that the answer has been given to him several times in this interview itself but everytime it comes he presents it as the natural thing that we should decide the Deen by personal pondering and freelance opinionation.

40 minutes over.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 04:07

Refutation makes people popular. I don't think refutation of javed ghamdi is necessary. He will himself die if he is ignored by ulama and scholars.

Ulama should focus on social issues where no sect will refute each other.
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Dowry and show off of wealth in marriage.

if the ulama invest their energy in constructive work, will benefit this ummah.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 06:10

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There is massive argument going on at Facebook amongst the boys who are the best amongst the youth there. The argument is about Mr Ghamdi only. I said the same things about him that we had learned at SF and that is when a Mathematician, Dr Khalid Khan, jumped into the discussion in support of Mr Ghamdi. Dr Khan used many derogatory epithets aginst me like not having courage to watch the latest Ghamdi video, getting angry easily and the like.

Now I should take the sentiments of a Mathematician seriously, no?

This Mathematician was pulled into argument several years earlier by another professor, this time of Statistics to check me. The Statistics professor has written four books on social, political and theological issues of Muslims and is a well known public intellectual of our university campus.

At the academic level I agree with your views but you have to take into consideration that when serious academicians from Faculty of Science start supporting the refuge generated by a person like Mr Ghamdi then we got to pay some attention. I am doing precisely that. I assure you that Mr Ghamdi has not discovered anything since we last spoke about him at SF (Sunni Forum) or MS (MuftiSays) but his supporters will not be convinced till we have wasted more of our time.

It is the problem of giving the devil his due. Unfortunately the task has come in my share.

As far as Ulama are concerned this is the way of life for them. Deviants keep coming and the Ulama keep draining their meagre energy and rare time on these people and this will keep happening till the Judgment Day. sad and unfortunate but that is how it looks to me.

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If he may die but before that he will make many people loose their Eeman.

Dowry may harm Dunya but Kukko Shah will harm their Aakhira.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 09:54

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 9

42 Minutes onwards

What aspect have I not covered? What is Islam, its sources, prophethood, ....
But this is not about Deen (that he is talking about), it is about religious mode of thinking ...

He is accurate here. The source of contention is this very mode of thought about religion. This freelancing is not permissible in Islam. To introduce new elements into Deen is forbidden by the innovation Hadith : Whosoever introduces new things into Deen has ensured a location in hell. Mr Ghamdi is not only introducing new elements but he is demanding a license to do so. "I am doing this freelancing and I am inviting you too do the same," he keeps saying. Then he tops it all by taunting the Ulama that you can not understand it because you come from Taqleed background. Effectively he is saying that you do not know the joy and pleasure of sin for you come from non-sin background.

Q: In Meezan you assert that Deen only comes from Qur'an and sunnah and you reject Hadith as a source of Deen.
A: What I am saying that there is qur'an and Sunnah and then there is literature produced historically (read Hadith), by people after Rasoolallah SAW, that either elaborates on it (Q and S) or talks about the Noble Character (of Rasoolallah SAW). If it (Hadith Literature)does add something to it (Q and S) then you can say so.

This makes it clear that he can not really defend his old stand on Hadith - its rejection. In view of this it is therefore concluded that Professor Ariful Islam and Dr Khalid Khan do not have any locus standi to reject Hadith completely. If Javed Ahmed Ghamdi is not doing it, if Javed Ahmed Ghamdi can not do it then his followers have lost their last support and helper.

He then says that if someone says the Noble Qur'an tells us the method to make an atom bomb then he will reject this. This a strawman argument. There will be some ignorant over enthusiastic people asserting such outrageous thing but that is not the conservative Islamic position and Mr Ghamdi hs not been appointed to refute such things.

He : Today the number has reached 70 thousand but in our times it used to be about 35 thousand, after analysing that many Hadith, I have made it clear that these give either the explanation of Deen already known from Q and S or the beautiful conduct and character of the Prophet PBUH. This is the analysis on content (of Hadith). If there is anything less or additional then someone should present it before us. These (Asar and Hadith) add neither any new Aqeedah nor a a new deed (amal). These (Asar and hadith) only explain and clarify the actions and character of beloved Prophet PBUH.

The point to be noted here is that he has moved from outright rejection of Asar and Hadith to the view that these add no new Aqeedah and Deeds in Deen. That the conservative Ulama never took the stand that Hadith and Asar add anything new to Deen is lost on it in the complexity, detail and knitty-gritty of the argument. We know that the Verse of Surah Ma-ida, al-yauma akmaltu lakum deenukim, today we have perfected your Deen for you really puts a seal on Deen and that is the conservative view of Ulama. After this the job of the Hadith is only to do the explanation and illustration of the Deen. This is what he is saying now when one after another of is false conclusions are caught by the Ulama and by now even the common people and he is forced to revise his Meezan in every upcoming edition. The ppor fellow does not even know that he has come a full circle and he has lost all of his ground. Loser.

Then the young 'Alim pulls a fast one on Mr Ghamdi.
Q: Do you believe in Taqdeer?
A: Which Muslim does not do that?

Q: This is not stated in qur'an and Sunnah. This is there in Hadith-e-Gibreel!
A: Qadar fahda - when I created mankind I also appointed her Taqdeer.

Q: In Hadith-e-Gibreel it is stated as a separate element of Aqeedah but you did not.

Actually the issue is different Hadith-e-Gibreel is so special and powerful that no one can ignore it and nor Mr Ghamdi can do so. Once you accept hadith-e-Gibreel then your anti-Hadith stand is betrayed. The man is in a soup. He pathetically takes off on a tangent and starts about what he has written about Aqeedah. Doh.

Doh and Doh. I mean he goes on and on about Sifat-e-Bari-Taala and Taqdeer. The elements of taqdeer was not the question but Taqdeer as an Aqeedah in the Hadith-e-Gibreel was the question.

Actually Hadith-e-Gibreel is a big boulder to drop upon the Qur'anist crowd, individually or collectively. It is a hadith and Gibreel is there in it in flash and blood! Whoosh! This is as astounding as the first appearance of Hazrat Gibreel AS. This is not qur'an and this can Sunnah. It is pure Hadith. actually every Hadith-e-Qudsi is slap on the faces of those who deny Hadith because its denial is dangerously close to apostacy. I am glad that I have burried this statement in the middle of my narrative. I do not want over enthusiastic people to get excited. Anyone reading my text should similarly be cautious. Do not put Mr Ghamdi in more trouble than he is already in.

48 Minutes Onwards

Q: This Ajam-Ka-Fitna Thing (the controvery generated by non-Arab world) about Qir'at (Recitation of the Noble Qur'an).
A: I have talked in detail on the issue of Differences in Qir-at in an article in my book Maqamaat.

While reading Mufti Muhammed Taqi Usmani Sahab DB's Uloom-ul-Qur'an, the Qur'anic Sciences I realized several things. Amongst them one is that it is easy to raise objections on Deen. Second thing is that it is difficult to answer these objections. Third thing was about Recitation of the Qur'anic Text. On the face of it the question of recitation must be a non-question. There is this text and then you are ordered to recite it so recite it. Then there is the etiquette of recitation therefore you follow that. Unfortunately the matter does not close there. The issue becomes more and more complex. I have other set of responsibilities and from them I can not spare time to indulge in the analysis of such issues. Hence my solution is to just accept the conclusions and results obtained by our beloved Ulama. That is my decision and I accept all the consequences.

Then there are friends like Dr Khalid Khan. The dominant attitude in the Aligarh academics is that these Mullahs know nothing - how can a maulwi working for five thousand rupees know anything, particularly compared to me who is getting exceeding of a hundred thoousand and half? This attitude also entails that we in Aligarh can always do better if we tried to analyse theology. If we do not do it then it is just because of the fact that theology is not such an important issue. And anyway mighty scholars like Javed Ahmed Ghamdi are already doing the needful.

After going through Mr Ghamdi's videos about ten years ago it was clear that his intellectual abilities are not considerable. these are very mediocre. That he gets some considerable fan following is solely due to the fact that he is deriding the conventional, traditional and conservative Ulama whom moderb educated people themselves deride, demean and make fun of and hate. I am not amongst those who do so. I also urge the eduated people to give their most serious thought to these issues because this attitude is wrong and it is damaging their Deen.

It is not a trivial issue to decide the matters related to Deen. After the initial easy things the waters are really deep. Reason, logic, intellect, discussion and academics - all are necessary but not sufficient. Taqwa is a must otherwise the arrow is sure to hit far away from the target.

The young scholar states his concern, "Allama Suyuti in Itqan and Badruddin in Al-Burhan explicitly talk about Qir'at and we should leave them and follow you...."

"If the qur'an is preserved then how can we conclude that its recitation in Morocco and Libya was not a result of preservation?"
"Should we take Qir'at from Hazrat Umar RA and Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Masa'ood RA?"

Ghamdi : I have been misreprensented on this issue too. Hadith analysis was needed because this literature did not reach us in a preserved form. there have been various types of problems in this and one of them has been inclusion of self-made narrative in them. This is what I termed as Fitna-e-Ajam.

Here calling it a Fitna-e-Ajam is inaccurate. If a Musaylma Kazzab makes a claim for prophethood then will we call it Fitna-e-Ajam? was there no Fitna-e-Arab? The trouble is the term itself. This fine tuning is a later innovation that he is calling Fitna-e-Ajam only to those stories that people added to Hadith. The crafty move by Mr Ghamdi was to term Hadith as Fitna-e-Ajam so as to exploit the Arab-Ajam difference to his hideous ends.

He then states that on this issue so many topics have been added that by now there are Qir'ats in hundreds, this is what I, that is Mr Ghamdi, terms Fitna-e-Ajam.

This should be taken in the vein of a clarification by him and in the vein of Ruju too. In the end this kind of discussion already goes outside the capacity of common people and people like Ghamdi should be advised to remain in contact with Ulama only, away from the masses who they do not enlighten.

He then accepts that the work of Muslims on Hadith is excellent contribution of Muslim Ummah.
One is left wondering whether he understands that he is doing Ruju.

In the light of the discussion so far the issue that remains is that he still insists upon freelancing about interpretation of Deen.

The said thing is that his followers are simply not aware of it.

"The Usool of the Muhaddiseen are Kamil (complete) to such an extent that these need no addition."

The young Alim again brings back the question that if you do not accept the Qir'at that is currently used in Morocco and Libya then it amounts to saying that Qur'an did not reach us safely preserved. Mr Ghamdi once again accepts that Qur'an is a preserved text. The question is not about the text but its recitation, Qir'at.

Ghamdi : There are Qir'at based on Akhbar-e-Ahad in that region and in our madaris too these are recited. When the text and the recitation reaches us from two sources then we have to take a decision whether we retain the both or one of them.

Q: The narrator of the Qir'at that you accept is Ajami.

One hour over. He is still into gory details into Akhbar-e-Ahad and Arzan-e-Akhira and the issue of acceptable Qir'at. We shall take it up in the next post, IA.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 16:03

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 10

The C++ Interlude

I was glad that a former student of mine, who was a colleage by now, will be my companion in conducting the programming laboratory on C++. The young man had done his doctorate from a Department of Atomic Energy, Government of India, institute. After that he had done postdoctoral work in Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai, in a university in US and in a university in Australia. I felt blessed that he will be sharing my burden. He did but there was this hitch also.

He was using awkward input and output commands like scanf and printf. These are C features. Though acceptable in C++ but these are not needed and are in a way redundant. One of the major point of going from C to C++, for the creator of C++ Bjarne Stroustrup, were these very clumsy commands. C++ gets rid of the clumsiness using very smooth input and output streams, for example, like CIN and COUT and other user created options. I have communicated this to my former student and present colleague. He was not pleased. You do not like it when your slip is caught.

Will you like it if your slip in Deen is caught? Most probably not. That is the issue with Ghamdi followers. Mr Ghamdi has been doing the requisite singing to the tunes set by the Ulama because he did not take care of his alphas and hence got his omegas wrong. Slowly Mr Ghamdi is coming to his senses, whether he knows it or not, but the situation is different for his followers. It is really funny. He has given up his old attitude in at least one case, the rejection of Hadith, but his followers do not know it. that is the problem in following. Guru might have ditched you but you are still singing the old Raga.

But the real reason for bringing C++ in this discussion is the following. Once I was looking for ready made power point presentation about C++ teaching on the internet. A woman teaching C++ to high energy physics students wrote a strange thing on her last slide. To learn C++ efficiently and quickly Find a Teacher! Coming from a teacher of modern sciences this is a strange thing. We normally do see such categorical statements. In fact the modern educated person is the one who is most fond of the do-it-yourself method, DIY method. Further strange thing is that hardly anyone in modern education is self educated. Yet these modern educated people always advocate DIY Deen.

Bigotry.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 16:15

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 11

The Differential Equations Interlude

Professor Zafar Ahsan, who is Dr Khalid Khan's Guru Bhai - they share their supervisor late Professor Izhar Hussain, if my passe memory serves me right.

Dr Ahsan did one wonderful thing whose importance he himself may not know. He has written a textbook on differential equations that is not organized according to the usual dry methodology of mathematics. Instead he has classified these equations according to the subject matter of the different areas of application like Physics, Chemistry, Economics, Zoology, Medical Sciences at the like.

To those who are not familiar with Mathematics this might look like a sundry technical information. In reality it is a revolutionary ide from the Mathematics point of view.

A Mathematician used a simple idea and did a wonderful new thing that the world will slowly appreciate.

That is how others too should do. Dr Khalid Khan works on a topic in Mathematics that is very glorious even from the standards of Mathematics. He too could use his significant capabilities in favour of Islam and Muslims. Unfortunately he finds it wiser to invest his energies in supporting people like Ghamdi. that a capable mathematician of Ummah should be supporting a mere arts graduate who in his foolishness is busy sowing seeds of discontent in Ummah can only be taken as our misfortune.

Similarly a worthy professor like Dr Ariful Islam should be busy showing the Mullahs there place in society is another sad commentary on our misfortune. A statistician could be wonderful source of useful data on Ummah but the only data coming from him is that these Mullahs don't know nothing.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 16:46

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 12

The Differential Geometry Interlude

Again I request consideration for my passe memory - bits of info might be rusted.

Late Professor Izhar Hussain was a great mathematician from our university, AMU.
His specialization was a difficult branch of a difficult subject. He worked in differential geometry.
So do his students like Dr Zafar Ahsan and Dr Khalid Khan.
there are several interesting stories about Dr Hussain but I shall share only one of them. He appeared for a job interview, after returning from abroad, in the mathematics department of Gujarat University. after the interview were over an expert in the decision making discussion suggested that Dr Izhar Hussain should be ignored because he was sure to get a job at Aligarh! That is when the head of the department Professor PC Vaidya interjected. "I do not care whether Dr Izhar Hussain get a job or not but I do care whether I get him or no", said Professor Vaidya.

Story over.

I have another story to add.

Mathematics Department of AMU hosted Professor Andre Weil for little over than a year.
Andre Weil is the name that dominates the twentieth century mathematics scene.
Professor Weil got nearly hundred years in this world in an age beyond ninety he wrote is autobiography - An Apprenticeship of a Mathematician. Out of less than 200 pages of the total full 32 are about Aligarh - that little more than one year.

We are talking not only about a great university but a great department and a student, Dr Khalid Khan, of a great mathematician.

Let us talk about the specialization.

In my career as an academician I have been most impressed by three topics.
These are technical names but I shall not go into the technicalities so kindly bear with us.
First is something called the action principle. names of various great physivists are associated with this topic.
Including that of our own Ibn-e-Haitham.

Second most impressive thing for this sinner is something called the spontaneous symmetry breaking. we shall not pursue its further aspects here.

Third one comes from Mathematics. A mathematician friend of mine gave me the name of this concept and I have myself augmented the name. It is Faltings-Grothendick-Hirzeubruch-Riemann-Roch-Atiyah-Singer-Pataudi-Witten theorem.

With this topic are associated the names of most famous Mathematicians of today.
So many of them have got Fields Medal in present times because of these investigations.
This prize is more difficult than a Nobel Prize.
It is given only once in four years and the receipients must be less than forty years of age.

Some of the names are Witten, Jones,Kontsevich and our own Mariam Mirzakhani (of Iranian origin).

This is the wonderful field that Dr Khan works on. How do I know? Well many years ago Dr Ahsan was talking about curvature type invariants that he and Dr Khan had been working on.

So my dear brothers and sisters would it not have been wonderful to have Dr Khalid Khan on our sides?

Ummah of our beloved Prophet SAW is passing through most difficult phase of its existence but we can not have highly capable people like Dr Khan on our side because some second or rather third rate maverick theologian called Mr Ghamdi has snatched him from us to his side.

Verily we are for our Lord and unto Him is our return.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2017 10:44

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 13

Following was posted on Facebook and a huge discussion has ensued about the merits and demerits of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi.

I am going to do an Abu Tamim to the post.

OPINION : The Ghamidi crime: Try him first, hang him later

AJAZ UL HAQUE

Srinagar | Posted : May 7 2017 2:16AM | Updated: May 7 2017 12:14AM

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I am not a Ghamidi follower as he doesn't ask me to follow him.[/quote]
But you have done better than his followers. Your post on Greater Kashmir has given him publicity beyond his imagination.

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He urges me to follow my own sense.[/quote]
In case you have taken his advice then you are his follower whether you accept it or not.
Islamic rule is not to follow your senses but to give preferences to Khabar (the revelation) over Nazar (what you see, that is the senses.) If you please.

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And if that makes me his fan by default, so I am and so be it. [/quote]
If you thought it was smart of you to play with words then please also give some consideration to the fact that you are also guilty of falsehood.

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I take it as an honour. Javed Ahmad Ghamdi (a public intellectual of Pakistan) is a line of distinction between sense and non-sense. Period. [/quote]
He happens to be mostly non-sense and you do not even realise it.
He has convinced people like you that our Ulama for fourteen hundred years were wrong and wasted time and energy in clarifying Islam and in twenty first century Pakistan a man was born who was half educated in theology and he changed the course of Islam for ever.
Unfortunately that is not going to be the case.
Mr Ghamidi has changed his course so many times that in every publication of his Meezan he has to change his stand and by now he has started praising Hadith while his followers has not been informed by him categorically.

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I wrote it once and I am writing it once more. Ghamdi is guilty of an unpardonable crime. Orwell called it `thoughtcrime', which - by our glorious standards of mediocrity - is punishable by hanging. Long live mediocrity.[/quote]
As if there can be no criminal thoughts.
Or perhaps it is not criminal to push people away from Islam.
Rasoolallah SAW said that follow the Deen brought by him while Ghamidi says that make your own interpretation of the Deen.

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The space is too small to explain the Ghamdi phenomenon. I am one of those `misled' millions to whom Ghamdi is a hope. Hope that thinking is allowed, hope that life has a value and hope that silence of knowledge is still louder than the rants of ignorance. [/quote]
By now there is no ground beneath his feet. So your hope stands belied.

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His unorthodox views about some contentious issues regarding religion, history, ideology and politics have given birth to many ideas and rendered many more dead. He enlivens one set of thinking and invalidates the other.[/quote]

And the Ulama had been taking care of it for 14 centuries.

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He is not a sensation, he is a sense.[/quote]
He was a deviation.

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His appeal is not popular in the cheap sense of the word, but profoundly intellectual which to a slogan-crazy mob sounds dull and uninspiring. The beauty of his thought lies in the fine harmony he strikes between the tradition and fresh thinking. [/quote]
He introduced freelancing abour Deen and hence did enormous damage to Islam and Muslims because our nafs does want the very same freedom that he advocates and gives but that is not allowed in Deen.

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The man does nothing. He just lifts the veil and lets you see for yourself. Ghamidi does to religion what Einstein did to physics and Descartes to philosophy. [/quote]
You just claimed over riding expertise in three things - Deen, physics and philosophy.
All three must be rejected owing to your betrayal of lack of knowledge about Deen.

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He problematises the very pattern of thinking thereby preparing a human mind to accept the risk of a creative thought. [/quote]

Young man Deen is not about creativity - it is about submission. If you please. If you are not pleased then you are in big trouble.

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He is not a cult, he is a spirit. His philosophy is not identified with his person, but with any such person's mind who bothers to take a leap. [/quote]
He is talking about a leap that is dangerous, fatal and doomed.

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In Kashmir a good number of youth are getting encouraged to think and study. [/quote]

That is very sad to know.
Ghamidi used to be a Maududi follower and then he became a Farahi follower.
Ironically even Maududi was not so strident and blunt about his ideas.
His fault was just that he insisted excessively on the struggle part.
he did not promote wayward attitude that is Ghamidi's hallmark.
The situation in Kashmir is influenced by Maulanna Maududi's Jam-at-e-Islami and hence there is a chance that Ghamidi will be taken as a successor to Maulana Maududi. Sadly he is not and hence the debacle.

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They are not `influenced' or `motivated' by a Ghamidi thought in a populistic way.

They are.
But it is good to know that you are at least defensive about it.

[quote]They rather are emboldened to redirect their creative energies to look for deeper meanings.

Well if, after fourteen centuries, the youth are suddenly told that it is alright to do freelancing then they will jump at it.
It is like legalising sin. People are bound to fall for it.

[quote]But tragically – and painfully – some seem to have taken up a project to denigrate this gifted mind of our times.

Gifted he is not.
A gifted person does not revise his Meezan with every new edition.

[quote]This group includes some semi-literate `scholars' and some second-rate social activists haloing themselves as `intellectuals'.

You should have been more specific about these individuals. Cursing abstract people becomes a strawman argument.
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Their anger against Ghamdi does not emanate from their genuine disagreement with his thought which anyone can have (and must have) freely and independently.

who gave you the authority to talk on their behalf?

[quote]It either emanates from a false ego or from a real ignorance.

The word false is redundant and a lie here.
Ego in itself is bad word and that was sufficient.
The matter can not be of ego because the issue is between the traditional Islam vs Ghamidi's freelancing.

Ignorance can only be on Ghamidi's part because it he who is revising his text again and again.

[quote]They thrust some self-drawn conclusions on Ghamdi and condemn him for something he neither says nor writes nor thinks nor professes.

He made very strange assertions and he has been revising these again and again.
That is why various editions of Meezan kept changing the stance.
In view of these changes it is clear that his detractors had much substance in their criticism.

[quote]Is the problem with their understanding or with their intent I don't know.

If you do not understand something then you should not have ventured to write this article.

[quote]But in the first case it's absurd, in second fatal.

Absudity lies in the claim that Ghamidi discovered something new in a Deen that was finalised 1400 years ago.
Fatality lies in the path that he advocates - freelancing about Deen.
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Intellectual discussion demands honesty as a condition.

The issue is not of the honesty of his detractors but of his ignorance.
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Damn scholarship, at least bother to know the one you are burning at the stake.

He began by denying Hadith, as a successor to Ghulam Ahmed Parvez.
That was dangerous.
Today he talks of Hadith work as most significant achievement of Islamic scholarship.
Please do pupularise that.

Burning at stake is not an Islamic system so please do not make wild allegations.
[quote] Listen, before you reject, read before you dismiss and think before you pronounce the verdict of your choice.

This is preaching and pontification. When done in favour of freelancing this goes against Islam. Avoid it please.
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See him for what he is, not for what you think him to be.

For yourself, following Ghamidi, you prefer thinking.
For others you do not want thinking.

[quote]Try him before you hang him.

He has been constantly failing in trial.
He has been changing his stance and soon he will have nothing positive to contribute.
At the end he would have simply wasted lots of time and energy of Ummah.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2017 06:47

Dr Khalid Khan Adores Javed Ahmed Ghamdi - 14

A Facebook friend posted the following on his wall.

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The Maqāsid-al-Shariah are an integral part of not just our fiqh tradition but of the Shariah in general. They are an important and key chapter in usūl-ul-fiqh that allow us to deeper understand and appreciate the Shariah and what its purpose is in this world.

The problem is not in the maqāsid themselves, however it is in the maqāsidi movement, and their endorsed reductionism of fiqh and usūl into the maqāsid, to the point where maqāsid are allowed to overrule and unscientifically overpower other equally important parts of usūl-ul-fiqh: the Arabic language, mustalah al-hadīth, qiyās and ijmā'. The lingusitic features of texts, the methodology of the muhaddithīn, the very concepts of qiyās and ijmā' with some become fodder to ensure that the 'goals and principles' of the Shariah are upheld.

But the maqāsid are a complement to these other tools; an arbitrator of the strategic selection between competing interpretations resulting from their usage - they are thus an important part of the process of istidlāl (deduction) - a cog in the machine - not istidlāl itself - i.e. not a sledgehammer to overrule the foundations of other parts of usūl and resultantly nullify texts.

When it reaches this level, maqāsidi ijtihād begins to resemble and become synonymous in essence and product (not definition or structure) with Mu'tazili fiqh rationalism, and fatwas become rationalist debates of goals/principles and maslahah (communal benefit) - void of implications from the apparent linguistic meanings of texts and divorced from the roots of fiqh.

Now can my friends like Dr Khalid Khan tell we what he is talking about without additional preparation that is considerably extended?

I suppose not. And the is the point.
To make a decision on theological issues is neither trivial nor easy. It is not a piece of a cake. It needs preparation, study, perseverance, dedication, talent and Taqwa.

If a person like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi can not keep a beard because his beard is sparse then it is ambly clear that he is not ready to make the requisite sacrifice for the sake of the Deen.

As far as hard work, long studies and years of reading are concerned then every academician has been doing that. Should they be allowed to decide Islam?

He demands, insists and pushing forward freelancing because he has been doing it and he has the cheek to tell the Ulama to follow him.

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