Forum Menu - Click/Swipe to open
 
Top Members

Is Shaykh Mumtaz ul Haq a qualified Aalim?

You have contributed 0.0% of this topic

Thread Tools
Appreciate
Topic Appreciation
To appreciate this topic, click 'Appreciate Topic' on the right.
Rank Image
muslimman's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
167
Brother
154
muslimman's avatar
#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th November 2015 06:02
20
I have listened to many bayans of Shaykh Mumtaz ul Haq of the UK, and he is definitely a great speaker on all sorts of topics. One thing I am not sure of is that is he a qualified aalim or not?
If yes then where he studied, did daura hadith and who his main teacher was from whom he got sanad?
If the source of the answer is shown that would be better.(if you heard from someone reliable thats okay too)
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
muslimman's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
167
Brother
154
muslimman's avatar
#2 [Permalink] Posted on 17th November 2015 07:01
No one has any idea?
I thought many British brothers were on this forum.
At least some part of the answer you might know.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
abu mohammed's avatar
London
23,228
Brother
9,814
abu mohammed's avatar
#3 [Permalink] Posted on 17th November 2015 10:03
Sheikh Mumtaz ul Haq, completed his Hifdhul Qur’an at Jamia Rashidiyyah, Sahiwal, and then took up studies in Engineering at a UK university. He then took to dedicating his life to the cause of Islam, and took the bai’ah at the hands of Maulana Ghulam Habib [r.h] in his first visit to the U.K in 1971. He received khilaafat at the hands of Maulana Naeemullah Farooqi [r.h] upon the death of the former. Since 1991, he has been Imam of various Jami Masjids in London, and has studied under the supervision of leading scholars like Allamah Khalid Mahmoud, and been engaged in academic research and lecturing on various pertinent topics affecting the Muslim world.

Sheikh Mumtaz Ul Haq is a Hafiz-ul-Qur’an, and Imam of a South London mosque.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
muslimman's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
167
Brother
154
muslimman's avatar
#4 [Permalink] Posted on 18th November 2015 16:23
Brother it is stressed that he is a Hafiz-ul-Quran, but his being an Aalim is not mentioned. Shaykh Mumtaz's studying under the various teachers is mentioned, but whether he studied the whole course which is compulsory for an Aalim, is still not clear.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
1,201
Brother
78
#5 [Permalink] Posted on 18th November 2015 16:40
Asalamualaikum.

He never completed an entire 'Alim course, but with the work that he's been doing, and from what I've heard from certain Tablighi Jamat saatis he is regarded as an 'Alim who self studied.

I'll ask him now.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
muslimman's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
167
Brother
154
muslimman's avatar
#6 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 11:48
Imam Ali wrote:
View original post


Brother if you can find out,please do so. Another point to be noted, that studying the 6 or 8 year Aalim course(Darse Nizami) is not compulsory; if a person studies the course of Darse nizami (the books) even privately from an Ustad, he still becomes a qualified Aalim.Many of our Akaabireen studied in this way.However, the Ustad must be a Sanadi Aalim and that person(student) must take sanad from him.
A person who is self studied is not considered an Aalim,even though he may be very knowledgeable.
One thing I must point out though, we have yet to find out for certain if Shaykh Mumtaz ul Haq is a qualified Sanadi Aalim, but for sure he is a good orator and Masha'Allah doing great work against Baatil.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Abu Suliman's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
85
Brother
46
Abu Suliman's avatar
#7 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 17:39
I asked Shaikh his reply:
I have NOT done the Darse-Nizami course. I don't claim to have studied it and never have claimed that I have. Many ulema throughout the U.k and other parts know me Alhamdolillah and I do keep up with many of them especially Allamah Khalid Mahmoodl sahib (daamat barakaatuhum). I am always trying to learn from ulema and only address or speak on issues that I have learnt from them .
Alhamdolillah I have been Imam for almost twenty-five years and have had the oportunity to learn from many ulema during this period.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
1,201
Brother
78
#8 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 17:43
muslimman wrote:
View original post


His exact words:

I have NOT done the Darse-Nizami course. I don't claim to have studied it and never have claimed that I have. Many ulema throughout the U.k and other parts know me Alhamdolillah and I do keep up with many of them especially Allamah Khalid Mahmoodl sahib (daamat barakaatuhum). I am always trying to learn from ulema and only address or speak on issues that I have learnt from them .
Alhamdolillah I have been Imam for almost twenty-five years and have had the oportunity to learn from many ulema during this period.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
1,201
Brother
78
#9 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 17:44
Abu Suliman wrote:
View original post


Haha, the respected brother beat me to it. :)
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
1,201
Brother
78
#10 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 17:53
To me personally he is a scholar when it comes to Islamic history, and biography of the companions. I know many scholars who've been stuck to give me an answer when I've quizzed them about certain aspects of Islamic history.

It's like a programmer who can self-learn, and then he'll simply go to an overseas University just to get a pretty certificate documenting he has the skills to code, and that's because big IT corporations will only accept before they even consider recruiting someone. Such yielding fanatacism.

There many people out there I've personally come across who've self-studied for years, and know more than recent graduates in certain areas. I've no issue approaching them for opinions as I would ask a graduate.

Allahu 'Alam.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
abu mohammed's avatar
London
23,228
Brother
9,814
abu mohammed's avatar
#11 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 19:14
brother, the most knowledgeable among us all is Iblees!

No discredit to the wonderful Shaykh, but your comments can be taken way out of context very easily.
Posted via the Muftisays Android App
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Abdullah bin Mubarak's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
244
Brother
105
Abdullah bin Mubarak's avatar
#12 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2015 23:37
Imam Ali wrote:
View original post


Salam brother

Quote:
To me personally he is a scholar when it comes to Islamic history, and biography of the companions. I know many scholars who've been stuck to give me an answer when I've quizzed them about certain aspects of Islamic history.[/quote] Da'iees/Ulema have different areas of expertise, some strong in some parts and some weak in others. Being stuck to give you an answer means nothing, in fact in Hayatus Sahaba it is mentioned that Sahaba رضي الله عنه rejoiced when they had the chance to say 'I dont know', and I'm referring to Abdullah bin Umar رضي الله عنه here whom a lot of Maliki fiqh comes from. It's just that all have different areas of expertise that's all.

Quote:
This criteria you must study with a certified and reputable scholar that's graduated from a recognised Darul Madrasah is nothing than a piece of paper. It's like a programmer who can self-learn, and then he'll simply go to an overseas University just to get a pretty certificate documenting he has the skills to code, and that's because big IT corporations will only accept before they even consider recruiting someone. Such yielding fanatacism
My brother the criteria is that you have a sanad/isnad (chain of narration) which can be traced all the way back to Rasoolalah (saw) this sanad will verify your deeni education and later your taqwa will verify your calibre as an alim. If it wasn't for this beautiful isnad system it makes me shudder to think what would have become of this beautiful deen. So to make claims such as it's only a piece of paper and means nothing is absurd brother. Why do we reject Zakir Naik in his fiqh ? Simply because he is not authorised to be giving out rulings in fiqh, his expertise is comparative religion and that's what he should stick to.

[quote]There many people out there I've personally come across who've self-studied for years, and know more than recent graduates in certain areas. I've no issue approaching them for opinions as I would ask a graduate
When you wouldn't take your child to a person not qualified despite reading all the medical books out there, then why would you take such a risk when it comes to Deen ? The Deen that will either be your salvation/ruin in the hereafter. A self studied individual has no authority to be givinig rulings out in the first place.

Being open minded is all good, just be careful when the modernist ideas start to shift in as this is where it gets dangerous.

Walahu'Alam
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
86
Sister
202
#13 [Permalink] Posted on 20th November 2015 00:10
Brother has edited his post and therefore this post has become null - abu mohammed
Posted via the Muftisays Android App
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Offline
Unspecified
1,201
Brother
78
#14 [Permalink] Posted on 20th November 2015 01:15
I've amended my post since it's offended a few brothers.
report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top
Rank Image
Abdullah bin Mubarak's avatar
Offline
Unspecified
244
Brother
105
Abdullah bin Mubarak's avatar
#15 [Permalink] Posted on 20th November 2015 01:28
Imam Ali wrote:
View original post


Please do carry on we might be actually be able to learn from you InshAla

No one is offended. Just shocked that someone can come out with such hippy views

report post quote code quick quote reply
back to top