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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2015 21:05
Keep Our Masjids and Madrassas Independent and Free From Government Interference...

Sign the statement!

t.co/txbzO8UrqL

Please share.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd October 2015 22:56
Very good work.

But I'm telling you. Even with 3 billion signatures it will make no difference.

All they will need to do is a get some shady recording of a "molisab" hitting (even pretending) and add screaming audio and sound affects and job done. They have the power to do anything they want. They already have many times.

They've targeted 3 year old toddlers for "suspicious" behaviour if he said "Alhamdulillah" or "Allahu Akbar" what chance does a mosque have?

Having said all the above, I want to end with a positive that the site keepmosquesindependent.org/ (I don't know why people post google search results and twitter link service (t.co) just post the actual link it's so much more helpful. I ignore so many links when it could be useful /end of rant)

So as I was saying before, the site keepmosquesindependent.org/ has a very very good statement worth sharing. But I still believe it'll make no difference until there's an official representative body recognised by the government with equal authority over citizens to represent Muslims.

We're too disunited, dis-functional, petty and weak
disunited+dis-functional+petty+scared = WEAK
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 00:11
Sadly when you have such a defeatist attitude ^^

Says it's all really and until this mentality/attitude doesn't change we are not going to get anywhere. So I respectfully disagree with your sentiments.

P. S. Link was taken from Twitter/Facebook from Abu Hudahiafa who runs the DOAM site/page.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 00:41
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I see your point too, but the truth hurts and superglue is putting it as it is.

Everyone wants to be politically correct but no one wants to see the true agenda.

The talk given by Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf posted by Muadh touches on this too.

The agenda of the kuffar is pretty much clear, but what about ours, what's going to be our agenda.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 08:41
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There is no denying that in regards to their agenda.

However that doesn't mean we sit at home/sit back and do nothing.

Sadly it's the ones who sit back and do nothing usually cause more damage as all they want to be is spectators and armchair specialists , about being politically correct or not that is a different story.

My point is and it's a fact each one of us will die one day, considering its inevitable, shall we stop living? Shall we stop going out and working, because we're weak and will die sooner or later?

The way I see it is, see which way you can benefit Islam and take it from there, the help of Allah will come when you take the step, but if it remains all talk and no action then don't be surprised if nothing happens.

Muslims need to wake up from their slumber and be more pro active and help the Deen of Allah.

I was taught a long time ago, a poor workman blames his tools. So if we Muslims keep blaming others and surroundings it says it all really.

There are talks about Muslims just doing talking and no action, shaykh Zahir Mahmood being one of them etc .

Walahualam
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 11:37
interesting discussion but really both suggestions are wrong. we all know why we are in this situation. petitions wont change that. until muslims turn back to Quran and Sunnah and take up jihad fee sabeelillah in its real and proper way we will continue to be the scum of the earth. however until then i guess we can do whatever little we can. as one of the greatest men of the past century said ' stop singing start swinging' - malcolm x رضي الله عنه.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 15:21
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 16:28
malik el shabazz




and historically..context and information

"...but you will never take our Islam" - Shaykh al-Islam Husain Ahmad al-Madani رضي الله عنه
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The response of Shaykh al-Islam Husain Ahmad al-Madani رضي الله عنه [1] when he was arrested and brought before the British court during the Indian subcontinent's struggle for independence [2]:


The most that you can do is hang or shoot us and martyr us. See that I have brought my shroud on my shoulder for I am fully prepared for my death [3]. If you do not know what we are then let me tell you – we are the essence of Imam Abu Hanifa and the strength of Imam Malik. We are the steadfastness of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal; the purity of heart of Hadhrat Mujaddid Alf-Thani; the insight of Hadhrat Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlawi, and we are the heirs of those people who have died and sacrificed to bring us our religion. So you may be able to take our lives but you will never take our Islam from our hearts.

[1] 1879 CE - 1957 CE. He was amongst the senior khulafa (spiritual successors) of Imam Rashid Ahmad al-Gangohi رضي الله عنه. He held the position of Shaykh al-Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband for 28 years.

[2] Amongst the predominant initiatives of the British colonialists was to extinguish the strength and influence of the Ulama who were foremost in the struggle for independence. Shaykh Husain Ahmad رضي الله عنه himself along with his teacher Shaykh al-Hind Mahmud Hasan ad-Deobandi رضي الله عنه were both arrested in the Hijaz (Arabian peninsula) in 1917 CE and imprisoned on the island of Malta for 3 years and 4 months.

[3] Shaykh Husain Ahmad al-Madani رضي الله عنه was known to wear his kafan (burial shroud) as his turban.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 19:43
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You are right. But I'm not so sure if it's a defeatist attitude or the weak state of Muslims in representation.

The petition for example, is for Muslim Institutes to be free from government influence and victimisation. Name one Muslim Institute that represents Muslims in any way? How can the institutes expect any support when the institutes don't really support or stand up for Muslims?

Darul Uloom Bury, which has an arsenal of thousands of graduates but from what I have seen (in some graduate friends and local gossip) is that they only like to support each other over graduates of other institutes. So when the most influential institute is busy just looking out for their own then what presence can Muslims really have in Britain except to compete with each other privately?

Until the institutes don't step up their game, us tiny sheep can sign petitions all our life and all we'd have done is wasted ink (figuratively speaking off course in case the kids don't know what pens are any more).

I would prefer if that letter was written to Darul Uloom Bury, Dewsbury, IDA etc demanding them to stand up and represent us. That way they'll get support on their authority and position and the government will not so easily be able to say such poop on TV about our Islamic schools.

I used to think like you but I now I'm certain that until we realise how weak we actually are in reality, the enemies (not the non-Muslim civilians as they are seriously the nicest people in mixed areas especially the classic well raised English people), (but the enemies) will continue to manipulate the Muslims in defending themselves from lies and propaganda until they can do at will what they wish. It already feels like they can.

I would be delighted if I was proven wrong so please do not feel I am arguing here. I want change too
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 20:14
Maybe the solution lies in each one of us doing what ever is with in our own capacity!
Besides that I don't see much solutions...We are living in a time of great confusion.

Just complaining about what needs to be done or constantly blaming the ulemah and institutions for not doing anything does not seem to be very constructive. Just increases frustration..... Everyone complains at the state of the wudhu areas in the Masajids and the Latrines in the Masjids hardly anyone willing to pick up the cleaning solution and a brush to do something about it.

Its not so much a crisis of leadership as to the fact that everyone of us considers themselves a Leader and no ones willing to be Led.


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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 21:14
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No Darul-uloom will ever stand up for the common man. But if their Hazrat and his profession is endangered they would want us to stand up.

Then instead of having the best person to lead (by capabilities) a Hazrat will lead this so its not looking good.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 24th October 2015 22:35
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A smaller problem is that people like yourself who knows what is going on, tend to remain quiet and create a little spark and hope for small timers like us and then you just disappear until the next time.

These Ulama graduates know what's going on, but I can't figure out why they can be blinded so badly with the errors of their elders. In some cases, the speak out yet in major cases they hide away and remain silent on local issues.

Issues that can make us all United get brushed away and we get told that they don't want to create fitnah.

It's amazing, almost every topic discussed comes down to petty things like this. No wonder we will end up in the lizard hole!

We aren't weak or daeef, we are pathetic in such places.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th October 2015 16:44
we can discuss till our fingers bleed on the keyboard and throats are dry from venting

they THEY ..need to organise meetings to discuss the new prevent guidelines

my self and some local ulema will inshallah formulate some proposals and guidelines soon .

some ive already mentoned here

www.muftisays.com/forums/14-peoples-say/10510-some-though...
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2015 12:35
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i have openly spoken about this in the various dewsbury crisis,in meetings
alhamdulillah i found some ulema in agreement.
also i emailed some event organizers as to why they have unqualified individuals trying to handle the subject of terrorism
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division of labour needs to be understood.
you dont send a brain surgeon to mend a car or vice versa

lets see what the next few weeks brings
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2015 15:15
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This is the weakness (Or Pathetic state) of the Ummah today.

Everyone is an expert in the Deen of Allah and Everyone is qualified to represent Islam. But something as simple as car mending, then no way, we can't help anyone, not even jump start a car.... :(
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