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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 03:44

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This just happened recently and it won't take no surprises to guess what it's about.

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Nouman Ali Khan...fear Allah! July 9, 2015, written by Muhammad Tim Humble

O Nouman Ali Khan...fear Allāh!

As a person who has dedicated themselves to explaining the Qur'an to others, you must appreciate the value of that oft-repeated, golden piece of Qur'anic advice: اتق الله.

Perhaps we should be more precise in our translation and say: protect yourself from the punishment of Allāh; since taqwaa is just that - to protect yourself from the punishment of Allāh, by doing that which Allāh commanded you and refraining from that which Allāh prohibited you from, with sincerity, and by following the sunnah

So fear Allāh in what you say! Didn't Allāh tell us in the Qur'an of the severity of the sin of saying about Allāh that which you do not know? Didn't the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa sallam tell us of a people who would come, "they are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray"? Didn't the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa sallam tell Mu'aadh ibn Jabal (may Allāh be pleased with him), "Is there anything that causes people to be thrown into the Hellfire upon their faces — or: upon their noses — except the harvests of their tongues?" Fear Allāh, and protect yourself from being one of them.

I do not claim to have watched your videos, or to have done any kind of in-depth analysis of what you have or haven't said. However, I keep on coming across clips and quotes of yours which are a cause for great concern; none more so than the video in which you speak about 'aqeedah and the Qur'an. What follows is an advice to you, to those who follow you, and to those who have made similar statements to the one which you made. I am sharing this advice in public because of the huge amount of confusion that I see from the general people with regard to what you said, and their need to be made aware of the truth.

Let us start by looking at the word 'aqeedah and what it means; as I'm sure you are aware, since I see that you teach Arabic, the root ‘aqada conveys the following meanings:

to tie something firmly
to become hard and strong
to hold on to something tight
to take or grasp something
to be certain about something
to affirm something with conviction

If a word does not have any specific definition in Islam, then we resort to the linguistic meaning of the word, and therefore we come to the conclusion that our 'aqeedah refers to those beliefs that we grab and hold to; things that we remain firm and strong upon; things that we tie ourselves to and link ourselves to; and those things that we affirm with conviction and certainty. A reasonable definition of 'aqeedah in an Islamic context would be:

"Those matters which are known from the Qur’aan and sound ahaadeeth, and which the Muslim must believe in his heart, in acknowledgement of the truth of Allaah and His Messenger salAllahu alayhi wa sallam"

Let me ask you: Does the Qur'an speak about the fundamental beliefs which every Muslim must hold to be true? Are those beliefs given importance in the Qur'an? If you say no, then there is nothing more that I can say, except to seek refuge with Allāh from a person who interprets the Qur'an and does not know the most basic interpretation of the first few aayaat of Surah al-Faatihah. If you say yes, then please explain to me the linguistic error or the legislative harm in terming those beliefs 'aqeedah, especially knowing that many of the early generations used this word to refer to fundamental beliefs? (This may help you to appreciate this: www.ajurry.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8947

Let me phrase that in another way: Would I be wrong to invite people to read a book which summarises the most important beliefs that a Muslim should hold, based on those beliefs that are emphasised in the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa sallam, particularly in those areas of belief that people are making mistakes in? Is that over-complicating things? Is it not then true to say that by the same token a book of tafseer is over-complicating things, and that people should just read the Qur'an as it is? Are not books of fiqh and for that matter all of the books of classical Islamic sciences over-complicating things as well? If we just take a minute to consider the various Islamic sciences, how many of those have names that are mentioned in the Qur'an? Should we throw away all of those books and just "follow the prophets"? I would suggest to you that the person who makes this statement is not following the guidance of the prophets at all, but is following their desires, and seeking to deceive people by using something true: that the word "'aqeedah" is not mentioned in the Qur'an, to peddle something false: that 'aqeedah is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

In the video that was shown to me, you also spoke of the division of tawheed into three categories, and you appeared to suggest that this had no basis in the Qur'an. This is simply false, and it is a lie against Allāh and His book. The division of tawheed into three categories is mentioned clearly in the Qur'an, such as quran.com/19/65, to quote one simple example. I would again recommend that you take some time to acquaint yourself with the division of tawheed in the Qur'an, and this is an excellent resource: www.al-badr.net/web/download/ebook/almukhtasar.zip, as well as the original, more detailed work: www.al-badr.net/web/download/ebook/kaol-sadid.zip

At this point, I want to emphasise that this is not a matter of arguing with one another about terminology, such that you call it īmaan and I call it 'aqeedah. Rather, there is a fundamental difference between a person who says that it is sufficient for a Muslim to say that Allāh is not the sun or the moon, and a person who says that Allāh clearly states in the Qur'an the obligation of singling out Allāh in His Lordship, His worship, and His lofty names and attributes.

Finally, I am at loss to understand, if we take Kitaab at-Tawheedas an example (and I don't know if that is the book that you were referring to), why you consider this kind of book to be incompatible with the simple explanation of beliefs in the Qur'an that you advocate? If you open the book, the majority of it is simply aayaat of the Qur'an, stating the beliefs that Muslims must have, with little or no further explanation. Occasionally the author brings a hadeeth, which I presume that you would not object to. He adds chapter titles, and a few bullet points at the end. If it is true that you object to a book like this, then I cannot for a moment understand why, since the book is little more than a collection of aayaat of the Qur'an on the topic.

Your statements carry great weight among the English-speaking Muslim community, and they are transmitted many thousands of times to people around the world. So fear Allāh, O Nouman Ali Khan, and protect yourself from his punishment, by expressing your regret for this foolish and deceitful statement of yours, and by resolving to teach people in accordance with the beliefs of the early generations; those companions about whom Allāh said:

"If they believe as you [all] believe, then they have been guided; but if they turn away, they are only in dissension." [2:137]

Your brother in Islam,

Muhammad Tim Humble

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 03:51

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Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

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I’ve decided to write this post because a few close friends forwarded me comments being made about a clip of mine taken from a program I conducted recently teaching the core concepts of Surah Yasin. It seems a number of people (whose sincerity I wouldn’t question nor do I have the right to) are concerned that I’m poking fun at the learning of the classical science of Aqeedah and some of the most famous classical scholarly manuals that deal with the monumental subject. This post will be longer than my usual writings and for that I apologize in advance.

First and foremost, Allah, His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم and His Deen are infinitely more worthy that I stand up for them and defend them as opposed to me defending myself. If the intention behind defending oneself is to preserve dignity or reputation, my belief, as is the belief of all Muslims, is that dignity was granted to us because of this religion and when we pursue any other means to attain it, we will fail. Having said that I am compelled to explain what motivates this writing. Allah says وعسى أن تكرهوا شيئا وهو خير لكم والله يعلم وأنتم لا تعلمون. "It may well be that you all despise something and it is better for you while it is Allah, He knows and you! You don’t know!" I think in this frenzy of comments and outrage there is an opportunity to share something of value about this beautiful religion and I will try to do so to the best of my ability with clarity and sincerity. I’d also like to comment right from the get go that I was taught from an early age to uphold the dignity of all human beings especially Muslims. I don’t go around reading comments being made about me but for any who are outraged at me or may have made disparaging or judgmental remarks, they are still my family in faith and I wish them well and pray for them as I would for myself and my own family. That isn’t something special. This is just what Muslims are supposed to do.

Now, on to the subject at hand…

Part 1: My Attitude Towards the Subject of Aqeedah and the Hadith:

I have tremendous respect for the entire corpus of our scholarly tradition including the science of Aqeedah codified by great human beings of the past, may Allah grant His forgiveness and loving mercy to all of them. For those of you to whom my comments were perceived as offensive to that tradition, I apologize for coming across as insensitive and dismissive. I have studied some of the books I’m accused of making fun of with some of my own teachers and mentors (which I will get to a bit later). Historically, it is that legacy that prevented great philosophical confusion from ransacking the ummah and kept us holding on to the core teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah in a manner that was true to the sacred text.

Secondly, often times the word Qur’aniyyoon is thrown my way. This guy always talks about the Qur’an, never about hadith. Though I’ve talked about this before, I will here again. I have regard for the subject of Hadith that is hard to put into words and appreciate that to be a muhaddith is to engage in some of the most rigorous, laborious and life consuming scholarship of any of the other Islamic sciences. In my early years learning about Islam, I would learn from brothers more knowledgeable than myself who were not hadith scholars and they would quote a hadith from Sahih Al Bukhari or Muslim or Sunnan Al-Tirmidhi. It was years later that I went through some of the same ahadith with an actual muhaddith only to discover that the context and scholarly understanding of the very same texts was so different than what a shallow translation yielded. This happened on multiple occasions. If ones understanding of the Qur’an can be problematic if not keeping in mind the historical context of revelation, and that is the word of Allah, that would certainly have to be of paramount importance when it comes to the hadith tradition. There’s far more to consider than whether or not a hadith is authentic. When did our blessed messenger say it? Who did he say it to? How was it acted upon? Are there other ahadith that complement its understanding? How did the early generations discuss this hadith? How did the fuqaha discuss this hadith? Did scholars of the past deal with potential misconceptions that may arise from this hadith if not properly understood in its rich language and context? These are a lot of questions and I for one do not suppose about myself that I can confidently comment on them without having learned them directly from a scholar of the subject. I’d rather not quote a hadith than to quote it with a partial understanding. I do cite the ahadith that I’ve had the honor of learning with certain muhadditheen for which I am eternally grateful. I also happen to have an ijazah in Al-Nawawi (may Allah show him loving mercy)’s collection of forty ahadith. Incidentally, I conducted a program a year ago called ‘Honoring the Messenger’ and part of it was to illustrate how it is impossible to believe in the book of Allah without believing in the Sunnah of His beloved Messenger SAW. So yeah, I believe in our sacred Hadith tradition and the flawless Sunnah of our messenger SAW but I’m unwilling to be reckless in citing it.

Part 2: The Pulpit and The Street

I found Islam in New York City in the nineties. When I decided to fix my life according to the mandates of Islam, I needed someone to teach me the religion. If you know anything about NYC, you know that depending on which masjid you set foot into, you’re going to be shown a very different picture of Islam. I went to a masjid where the Imam told me not to worry about learning the meanings of the Qur’an because that is only for scholars. I should concern myself with the five pillars and following the scholars (by which he meant himself and the individuals he would approve of from his particular line of thought). This by the way is not an isolated incident. I have met countless Muslims from the indian sub continent who are told that they should not attempt to understand the meanings of the Qur’an because they will get confused and they should leave that to the scholars. Just learn some dhikr and if you have a question, ask the scholar. He’s already got the perfect understanding so you wouldn’t have to do any heavy lifting.

Being a restless soul, that didn’t sit well for too long. I ended up in yet another circle, where the entire focus was to debate the truth of Islam with non-Muslims, then to another group where your spirituality was pegged to your personal relationship with a spiritual mentor without whom you wouldn’t be able to become a better Muslim and better yet, you might only be saved through this relationship. I met some brothers at a restaurant once. I remember it like it was yesterday. They saw me and recognized me as a Muslim and so they started talking to me. They told me that if my aqeedah isn’t correct that I’m fuel for the hellfire. I was worried. I asked them what they thought of all the people I had previously learned from by name. And for each of them they had the same answer. ‘He’s a good brother but his aqeedah is flawed and he’s calling people to the hellfire’. Now I was really worried. I joined their circle and was in it for more than a year. I learned to ask the first and most important question before asking anything else not only of scholars or khateebs or da’ees but also of fellow muslims. What’s his aqeedah? I even asked my dad once. What’s your aqeedah? He said, beta (which means son) we’re sunni. I didn’t respond but in my heart I said to myself, that’s what they all say. I actually believed that my family believed in what will lead them to the hellfire because they didn’t have the right aqeedah. Then came the problem of ‘how do you tell if someone has the right aqeedah or not’? For all practical purposes, I was indoctrinated into thinking that when it comes to this issue, there is no such thing as benefit of the doubt. You have to assume that anyone and everyone is corrupted in their aqeedah and you have to listen to what they say with extreme caution waiting to hear something that could prove that AH HAH! they are deviant in their aqeedah. Bear in mind this became more about fishing for what might be creatively interpreted as a problem of aqeedah than an actual problem of aqeedah. We have to be cautious, and if there is even a millionth chance that this person might mean something problematic, not only do I have to never listen to anything he ever has to say, but also warn others to stay away from him. For a short while in those two years, my only mission was to save the ummah from deviants in aqeedah. I was good at it too. Somebody could quote a book and I’d say, this person has read this book and is influenced by the ideas of the author whose aqeedah is unknown, therefore he is on the deviant list. The list was updated regularly.

What happened as a result was a spiritual void that I’ve never felt before in my life. I wasn’t close to Allah. I knew how to argue His names and attributes and debate whether He was above or everywhere but I didn’t feel His love, His guidance, His mercy and His constant company. Allah just became a subject of debate. I became accustomed to mocking Muslims who didn’t see Islam the right way that I saw it. I developed hatred for those who taught anything about Islam in ways that didn’t align with my authentic and flawless understanding. The people that I had love for were reducing by the day and by the way, some of the guys in the authentic aqeedah circle had disagreements with each other and started calling each other deviant too. That was ultra-confusing because now I didn’t know which side to pick. They both quoted the same scholars from abroad who of course wrote in Arabic so I had no way of looking at the information myself except through the lens of translation. We studied aqeedah manuals most of the time. Sometimes we studied certain ayaat of the Qur’an but we only studied them to reinforce that we are on the right aqeedah and how this ayah and that hadith were evidence against such and such group. Qur’an and Sunnah were ammunition for us.

Then a friend of mine, whom I loved because he was totally not into this whole religious debate scene, took me to this program where my first Qur’an teacher was doing a rapid translation and explanation of the entire Qur’an in Urdu. I’ll be honest, I first sat in to check for aqeedah mistakes. But the first night, as he just talked about the word of Allah, I couldn’t help my tears from rolling down my eyes. The ayaat and their explanation was doing something to me that no halaqah, no debate, no study had ever done. I genuinely desired seeking forgiveness that night. That was different because the nights before that one I was more concerned with whom else should be seeking forgiveness. As the nights of the series in Ramadan continued, I experienced a never before felt love for the Qur’an, for the messenger, for Allah. I didn’t want to learn anything else anymore. I wanted this. This is not like any other book. Nothing else has ever made me think like this, feel like this. My journey into the Qur’an began with Dr. Abdus Samie and his brilliant little Arabic class. I started memorizing more and more of the Qur’an. I started losing interest in the deviations of others and started noticing the deviations in myself.

My comments may have been disparaging to some of you and for that I apologize. But the way our beautiful scholarly tradition is being abused to pass blatant judgment against other fellow Muslims who are each in their own unique struggle spiritually, intellectually and emotionally is just unfair and cruel. Our faith is no different from the faith of Adam AS or Ibrahim AS or the Messenger of Allah SAW. The Qur’an is the best and most primary source to understand who God is because He speaks for Himself in it. When I meet young hot headed Muslims who are ready to quote a aqeedah text and defend it but haven’t had the time to memorize or recite or learn the meanings of even few surahs, I find that to be an abandonment of our salaf.

In the Musnad of Ahamd RA and Sahih Muslim, the messenger SAW says

إن الله يرفع بهذا الكتاب أقواماً ويضع به آخرين

Certainly Allah, He elevates because of this book entire nations and puts other down because of it. So when our beloved SAW says that this book will the cause of the rise of nations, which ayaat is he SAW referring to? The ones that we find useful in refuting each other? The ones that fortify our positions against others? This book is above our agendas. It is above our comfort zones. This book reign supreme and nothing will ever be a bigger priority than it. وكلمة الله هي العليا. The word of Allah, it is the Highest. It is not just another subject in Islamic studies. It is the central beam that holds this entire religion and its people together. If I spent my entire life emphasizing that it is the ultimate priority of the Muslims, it won’t be nearly enough. The Sunnah of our messenger is best described by our mother RA, كان خلقه القرآن. It is to be viewed as the Qur’an brought into practical application. It is thus not a separate entity or different subject matter but really a necessary and fundamental manifestation of the book of Allah from words to actions. When average Muslims, (not specialized students or scholars) are being taught that their first priorities need to be elsewhere, I will disagree till my dying breath. This word was powerful enough to guide the lost souls of Quraish and turn them into the greatest generation history has ever seen. It was powerful enough to guide jinns passing by just as they heard some of its miraculous ayaat. It is still powerful enough to guide any human being, Muslim or non through this age of fitnah. We are at its service and it is not at ours. Its surahs dictate what is priority. We do not impose our priorities on it. We don’t get to decide which ayaat are more important than others. Which surahs are more important than others. That is for Allah and His messenger SAW. So much of the ummah today has no idea what the word of Allah is. This Qur’an is passed to us through the sweat, blood and tears of generations before us starting with our beloved himself SAW. It isn’t cheap. People before us paid with blood so we can recite it, ponder upon it, seek guidance from it and live by it today. How is it not my top priority? Everything I will learn about islam, I will learn in the shade of Allah’s word. For that, I am not sorry.

Wassalamu Alaikum.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 11:34

Jazakallah Khair

Thoughts on the above?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 12:32

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Who don't the Salafi get annoyed with?
They don't like anyone,even if they from their own batch.
They don't like bin Laden, they don't like Salahudeen Auyubi, They don't like so many well known figures in Islam, wether they were correct or not, they despise almost everyone.

(I haven't read it all yet)

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 13:15

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useless article written by the wahabi brother. i don't know why you posted it here, he doesn't need more attention.

ustadh nak's response was interesting to read though.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 14:00

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You just answered your own question in the second paragraph :thumbsup

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 14:02

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To be honest I thought the hate was dying down and it has to some extent,

However the ugly head does surface from time to time and I guess this is a classic example of it.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 21:05

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So fear Allāh in what you say! Didn't Allāh tell us in the Qur'an of the severity of the sin of saying about Allāh that which you do not know? Didn't the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa sallam tell us of a people who would come, "they are asked to deliver religious verdicts and they deliver them without knowledge, they go astray, and lead others astray"?

Seriously? This part of the comment should be directed to someone else from the t.v.one of their own too!, SubhanAllah

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 22:27

The following is Brother Tim Humbles response to Brother Nauman Ali Khans response. I think NAK gave a very comprehensive reply, Only thing I would agree with Muhammad Tim Humble is the disturbing trend of individuals like NAK becoming celebrities and obtaining a cult like following.

Who Cares About the Truth? July 11, 2015

The title for this blog post came from something that happened to a friend of mine on social media, some time ago. Something was falsely attributed to a well-known individual. When the brother pointed out that this statement that was being shared was false, one user replied, "Who cares about the truth!? If it sounds good..."

At least the person who wrote that was being honest, which is more than I can say for those who have an unhealthy attachment to certain speakers, regardless of what they say or do.

I wrote the previous post because Nouman Ali Khan made a public statement which had huge consequences when it was shared around the English-speaking world. It was not a small mistake, or a slip of the tongue, but a prolonged statement of several minutes, comprising of an error of the utmost severity. Having said that, I was very careful to adhere to the following points of etiquette:

I checked that the statement was not taken out of context, and that the clip was not edited to make the speaker say something that he didn't say.
I wrote the post with reference to that specific statement only, rather than turning the post into an exposé of everything that the speaker has previously said.
I wrote the post as an advice, without using offensive terms. Nowhere in the post did I curse him, abuse him, or call him an innovator or deviant (perhaps the closest that I came is saying that this particular statement of his was foolish and deceitful, which it was). I did not speculate that the speaker was from the Qur'aniyyoon, as others did. I simply advised him to fear Allāh, explained to him his mistake, asked him for further clarification, and advised him once again to fear Allāh and correct his teaching. I consider that to be an example of good etiquette when responding to a person's mistakes, and this is how I would be happy for a person to respond to my own mistakes, as 'Umar (may Allāh be pleased with him) said, "May Allāh have mercy on the one who brings my faults to my attention."
I wrote the post in such a way that it was factual, and without presumption. For example, I did not presume that he was referring to Kitaab at-Tawheed, as is commonly believed, since he didn't mention the book by name.
The first person that received a copy of the post was Nouman Ali Khan himself, via his Twitter account. I didn't post something that he was not aware of, or unable to respond to.
Soon after he wrote a response to the issue, I updated the post and put a link to his response above my own. Even though I do not believe that he has properly responded to or rectified the statement that he made, I was still willing to give his response precedence for anyone reading the article.

After all of this, I found people making the most outlandish statements, without the least concern for the truth. There was nothing more than the zealotry of the pre-Islamic period, about which Allāh said:

"When those who disbelieve had put in their hearts zealotry - the zealotry of the time of ignorance..." [48:26]

This is the zealotry of a person who does not accept the truth because of something which prevents him from doing so. The likes of the person who wrote:

"Whoever disagrees with Nouman has disagreed with the Qur'an."

What kind of exaggeration is this! By Allāh, I would not say this about Abu Haneefah, Maalik, ash-Shaafi'ee, or Ahmad (may Allāh have mercy on them all). Whatever I think of Nouman Ali Khan, I would not for a moment imagine that he would be content to be spoken about in this way.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

"...and beware of going to extremes in the religion, for those who came before you were destroyed because of going to extremes in the religion." [an-Nasaa'i 3057]

That's why I'm writing about this attitude that has become so prevalent of blindly following a person, without any regard for the truth. I could replace Nouman's name with any one of a number of speakers whose followers have raised them to such an extent that words can barely be found to describe.

When a statement was transmitted from Shaykh Wasee'ullah 'Abbaas (may Allāh preserve him) about Mufti Menk, the responses were disgusting. It didn't matter if the Shaykh Wasee'ullah was right or wrong, or if he was misquoted or not, but the vile words of abuse hurled at one of our senior and respected scholars served as a sickening reminder of the sheer idolatry that exists for the smallest students of knowledge, and the evil methodology of cutting the people off from the real scholars.

Then again..."who cares about the truth!? If it sounds good..."

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 22:40

This tit for tat will continue for a long time. At the end of the day, we haven't heard the lecture they are talking about and it's not detailed for us to really know what is being said and why. However, the rating on brother Jinn's post speaks for itself.

I remember the "Salafi conclusion" written by Ali, which sums it all up

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 22:41

To be honest Tim Humble sounds jealous due to his following/popularity, what NAK has done in introducing the Qu'ran to the layman especially in the english community, even many scholars have failed here and many scholars also rate him for this reason,

If he has become a celebrity due to the work he's done for the Ummah, then so what ? You know what else beats it, another reason why he's loved by many ulema, none of it is his own work, all he does is summarises from the great texts of tafaseer from classical scholars of the past, and there's a vid on bayyinah where he listed 17 tafseers he uses and then summarises.

Cult like following is a wrong choice of words brother, we all know what cult like following exactly is so let's not even go there.

Sorry bro but Tim Humble and especially his pal Abu Husnayn, who even refuses to do ruqyah on people because he deems them to have the wrong aqeedah. I'll take NAK over Tim Huble and his pals all day long, and what work NAK has done for the Ummah in current times, how many Salafi scholars/Madinah university graduates can say the same ?

NAK is Da'iee and a humble one, may Allah guide him and protect him. Millions have come back to the Qu'ran through him.

Allah knows best

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2015 23:14

True no one can deny this fact NAK is inspiring alot of youth and May Allah protect and preserve him Similarly with Mufti Menk many youth are being inspired by him.

NAKS lectures might not have the same appeal for people in their 40's like myself but at the end of the day the future is in the hands of the youth, if they are benefiting then AlHamdulillah.

As for Tim Humble dont know much about him, but watched his lecture about studying in Madinah some time back, how anyone can do an entire lecture on studying in madinah and have it devoid of spiritual experiences is beyond me, it was a completely dry lecture, these brothers seem to be very dry in their approach.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 12th July 2015 00:50

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Here is that thread,maybe not how I remembered it, nevertheless, since I mentioned it, it's here in the private section

www.muftisays.com/forums/81-debates--refutations/6384-sal...

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 13th July 2015 07:39

Abu Eesa Niamatullah's view on it, post from his facebook account. Makes some very important points I must say and 1 error as well which I believe was a mistype.

Anyway read on :

You know me folks, when there's a brother in need, I'll be your brother indeed. Whoever you are, friend or foe, I'm down. It's great defending people, so much free reward on offer alhamdulillah.

That doesn't mean we defend falsehood, or that we shouldn't refute deviancy or correct mistakes. No, that's obligatory as well. But most of the time you know it's a load of bakwas right?

So, today's bakrah is Nouman Ali Khan and his comments about 'Aqidah and the Qur'an etc. Too many folks are doing my head in over it so I watched the video and now let me say:

- NAK is spot on. That's the short answer for the FB users who can't go past four paragraphs. Bye now, see you later!

- He never denigrated the importance of creed or iman but just the obsession with the presentation of 'Aqidah in a set paradigm often primary to the study of the Qur'an. Words might have been better chosen but we don't judge people upon what they say, but rather upon what they mean.

- Much (not all) of the noise is coming from the usual Pseudo-Salafi suspects who have nothing better to do but to find a new cause. They sit and wait, for months and years if need be, waiting for that one slip, and then BOOM! Let's go pdf youtube twitter refutations crazy. Yawn. Ignore.

- As for some of the more respected critics who found issue with NAK's comments, I would say that he makes his own limits very clear and being fair and objective will lead you to the conclusion that he has been misunderstood. Don't judge his work and his message by this clip. He knows the importance of defending our creed formally, and being firm in our technical facts, as well as anyone - and if he doesn't then he sure does know. We recognise the need for scholarly pieces explaining the Qur'an and its message and creed is of course a necessity and part of the tradition of this Ummah reaching right back to the earliest of generations when it became clear that the masses couldn't derive it all themselves from the Qur'an like the Sahabah were able to. But they shouldn't become the primary source of knowledge. And we must be clear on that. Any encouragement to connect more to the Book of Allah is ONLY ever going to be good and hardly ever bad, and vice versa can't be said whatsoever for the books of creed in our tradition.

- Folks, you need to know that many Muslims when studying and doing their da'wah whether they realise it or not, push people away from the Qur'an. It is shocking to me just how ignorant Muslims are about the Qur'an and so knowledgeable about random books written about topics like 'Aqidah or Tazkiyah or whatever.

By the way, this isn't just a Neo-Salafi or Pseudo-Salafi thing, this is the same across all the main groups. So that's whether it's the Salafis and Kitab al-Tawheed (In my opinion still the most overrated book in our modern history, but I digress), or the Sufis and their "Hikam" or the "Ihya'", or the Deobandies and their "Tablighi Nisab", or the Ikhwanis and anything by Syed Qutb, or the Brelwis and the Behsti Zewar or whatever, or the Liberals and Feminists and their own pockets, or the Secularists and their own backsides.
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Seriously: all Muslims will pretty much fall into one of the above categories and I guarantee that the majority of them know their books or sources better than they know the Qur'an. And that, frankly, is utterly scandalous.

Sure, books are needed from time to time for clarification but when they become the objective instead of the means then Houston, we've got a problem.

'Aqidah is an experiential reality and not a theoretical one. It is the lived experience and not just the studied one. It is the one you feel and connect with, not the one you memorise and don't even understand why. And that's why our priority must be a deep connection with the Qur'an, with an enquiring but humble and willing mind and a good reliable teacher.

So yeah, leave NAK alone and start focusing on your own deficiencies with the Qur'an in these last few days of what is the Month of the Qur'an. Those are my quick comments.

I will however end by saying that the most concerning thing to me in this entire episode was this: we MUST stop putting our Islamic teachers on such pedestals. It is so scary. Subhanallah more than Salafi Publications and their silly cult of Neo-Salafis getting their knickers in a twist, I was far more shocked and angered by the ignorant statements of people who were saying things like "But it's NAK! He can't do any wrong!" or "But it's NAK, surely he knows what is right!" or "How dare you criticise NAK, he's the light of my life" blah blah blah.

I speak for NAK, and every single one of your teachers that this attitude is anti-Islamic, anti-Qur'an and really *does* show a problem with your 'Aqidah. No-one is free from mistakes. Many of the people who learn your Deen from might have a speciality in one specific area of Islam and know very little about other areas. Some might not be scholars at all. Others are just eloquent. Others like myself are just Alpha-males and just stunningly handsome.

The point is, be focused when you study and when you take from your teachers. Take the good and leave the bad, even when there is a lot of it, and there *is* a lot of bad, even amongst your heroes and scholars, and especially those operating in the cut-throat field of Western da'wah where the pitfalls from the nature of the work, the nature of the people on our own side and the nature of the people on the other side, makes it acidic and hazardous.

We all make mistakes and we must all be corrected on them so stop worshipping these teachers folks. How shameful and embarrassing. Have some self-respect and increase more your love for the objective and not the means and the carriers of those means.

Wallahu a'lam.

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