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#181 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 10:49
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Let me ask a simple question so that we remain focused on the main thing instead of beating around the bush.

What is an Islamic/Muslim country?
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#182 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 10:56

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Ask me an Islamic question using correct Arabic terminology. If you wish to ask what is Darul-Islam, ask that!

You are asking a question in English language and your question in English is

What is an Islamic/Muslim country?

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My response in English, "All countries which identify themselves as such e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan, etc.

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#183 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:01
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What is Darul Islam?
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#184 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:13

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What is Darul Islam?

Response: Defined in books of Fiqh but summarised position is given as follows:

www.islamweb.net/ar/library/index.php?page=bookcontents&a...

 

( لا تصير دار الإسلام دار حرب إلا ) بأمور ثلاثة : ( بإجراء أحكام أهل الشرك ، وباتصالها بدار الحرب ، وبأن لا يبقى فيها مسلم أو ذمي آمنا بالأمان الأول ) على نفسه ( ودار الحرب تصير دار الإسلام بإجراء أحكام أهل الإسلام فيها ) كجمعة وعيد ( وإن بقي فيها كافر أصلي وإن لم تتصل بدار الإسلام ) درر ، وهذا ثابت في نسخ المتن ساقط من نسخ الشرح فكأنه تركه لمجيء بعضه ووضوح باقيه .


Mods! I have been visiting and writing on forums for over a decade, I have deliberately and consciously not translated this text. I want to show that someone who does not have the basic grasp of Arabic language (let alone any formal and structural knowledge in Islamic Shariah) is brazen enough to declare Muslim nations and its rulers & people as "Non-Muslims". I wish to deliberately point out the shallowness of the argument.

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#185 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:20
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I would request you to translate it in either English or urdu.
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#186 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:24
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Why?
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#187 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:31
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If my eyesight is correct. It is in Arabic. I don't understand this language.
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#188 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:36

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Then what qualifies you to issue authoritative judgement calls on matters pertaining to Shariah? Admit that you do not understand the language, thus basic tool to access authentic Islamic (classical) knowledge and we can get somewhere.

The problem is the air of authority which you try to bring to your opinion.

As I always said, we live in a democracy so you have the right to have an opinion, no matter how contradictory and repugnant it is to Qur'aan and Sunah. 


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#189 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:42
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Then what qualifies you to issue authoritative judgement calls on matters pertaining to Shariah? Admit that you do not understand the language, thus basic tool to access authentic Islamic (classical) knowledge and we can get somewhere.

The problem is the air of authority which you try to bring to your opinion.


Old and Bogus!

I never claimed that I know the language. What should I admit?

My questions are ignored and the experts are beating around the bush.

As we live in democracy, you have the right to ignore my questions and beat around the bush as much as you can.
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#190 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 11:58

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Not ignored any question of yours deliberately, please point out which one is missed and I will answer. I have answered it in Arabic which is different to not answering.

Your Question:

Let me ask a simple question so that we remain focused on the main thing instead of beating around the bush.

What is an Islamic/Muslim country?

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My response in English, "All countries which identify themselves as such e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan, etc.

Your Question:

What is Darul Islam?

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Response: Defined in books of Fiqh but summarised position is given as follows:

www.islamweb.net/ar/library/index.php?page=bookcontents&a...

 

( لا تصير دار الإسلام دار حرب إلا ) بأمور ثلاثة : ( بإجراء أحكام أهل الشرك ، وباتصالها بدار الحرب ، وبأن لا يبقى فيها مسلم أو ذمي آمنا بالأمان الأول ) على نفسه ( ودار الحرب تصير دار الإسلام بإجراء أحكام أهل الإسلام فيها ) كجمعة وعيد ( وإن بقي فيها كافر أصلي وإن لم تتصل بدار الإسلام ) درر ، وهذا ثابت في نسخ المتن ساقط من نسخ الشرح فكأنه تركه لمجيء بعضه ووضوح باقيه .

Your Assertion:

Old and Bogus!

I never claimed that I know the language. What should I admit?

My questions are ignored and the experts are beating around the bush.

As we live in democracy, you have the right to ignore my questions and beat around the bush as much as you can.

Loading Qur'aan Verse

Say and admit clearly:

  1. I do not know Arabic
  2. I do not sufficient knowledge in Islamic Shariah
  3. I am not an expert
  4. I have an "opinion"

No problems with 4, it is your democratic right.


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#191 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 12:08
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When did I claim that I am an alim?

lol!
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#192 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 12:09
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You criticize ulema.

Say it deliberately that you are a Mufti and you have the right to criticize them...
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#193 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 12:35

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I have not abused you at all throughout this discussion. You have rated OLD, rated FacePalm and started with lol! This is exactly how you operate, you become abusive instead of sticking to the issues when you have no answers.

All I have done, is claimed two things:

  1. I have answered your questions (one of them in Arabic). I have even said that if I have made the mistake of skipping a question point it out.
  2. You do not even understand Arabic let alone getting to grip with basics of Islamic Shariah

What I am or my qualifications has nothing to do with this thread. The issue here is your inadequacy which you are projecting is "I have not answered". One day you will die and face Allah Ta'ala and answer for what you write...How can you say that I did not answer? Has your hate for me overpowering your fear of reckoning in front of Allah Ta'ala?

  1. You asked a question pertaining to Shariah
  2. I answered in Arabic

You cannot claim that I did not answer, you can claim that you are inadequate in knowledge to understand it.

You can also develop humility which Qur'aan and Sunnah command us to develop. The issue which I am pointing to is inadequacy coupled with projection of expertise.



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#194 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 12:38
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So facepalm! Old! and Lol! (Laugh out Loud) are all abuses.

Thanks for this new info. I would request the admin to remove these features and ban the word lol.

Secondly!

It was you, I think who posted this in another thread that it is unjust for the majority of those who visit this forum to post anything in urdu without English translation.

I asked you a question in English and you replied me in Arabic.

That's rude and I consider it ignoring my question.
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#195 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2019 12:43

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Yes because your intention is to mock and abuse and Allah Ta'ala judges according to intentions. You do no damage to me but you expose the shallowness of your knowledge and your manners taught to you by your parents and your teachers.

Let the Moderators decide the rules, you can report the post it is your democratic right

  1. I have not ignored your question
  2. I have answered it in Arabic

I will let you stand in front of Allah Ta'ala on the day of judgement and defend your accusation.


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