On Kashmir

There is a fundamental difference between the approach of sipraomer and many other Muslims.

Sipraomer believes that the main issue behind the decline of the Ummah is spiritual and although he acknowledges the existence of science and technology but largely ignores its importance.

Majority of (sincere Muslims) believe that spirituality is the NUMBER ONE issue but then other education, science, technology and tactics are equally important.

Mujahideen in Afghanistan during Soviet Jihad and Taliban NOW will get nowhere without science, technology and tactics. Let me give you a simple example of 1980’s. Soviets were nailed due to stinger missiles. The Pakistan Army trained the Mujahideen to use these and the kill rate of Soviet Hind helicopters were double that of US Army and that surprised the Americans.

Mujahdeen were using two stinger teams to lure and kill Soviet Helicopters as follows:

1.    Both teams would deploy on different sides of the valley.

2.    First team would lock on with stinger but not fire anything.

3.    The Soviet Gunship would detect a missile lock and TURN in the direction of the stinger to SHOOT or deploy countermeasures

4.    The second team would now be facing the back of the gunship which has the exhaust and BULLSEYE target for the stinger to home in and KILL. The second team would actually fire the missile and most of the time and score a hit.

1-5 is a battle field tactic and not a spiritual matter at all.

It is Sunnah to develop tactics and strategies in Jihad and you cannot do it unless and until you understand the science and technology of your day.

There is a fundamental problem with brothers like Sipraomer who are sincere but have a conspiracy mind-set so they have a distrust of these matters.

There is no doubt that spiritual reformation and Aqeedah correction is NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

If Abhinandan was now shot down in February, India would have probably continued to violate Pakistani airspace. The strategy was designed and executed by a bunch of soldiers whom most Pakistanees consider “Murtad (apostate)”.

We are NOT a blood-thirsty Ummah, we DO NOT long for war but it comes then we are patient and we face it.This is a reasonable Bayan:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV3J9wO7mfY

I am not against science and education. But first comes spirituality and aqeedah.

Mention one post of mine, Professor Maripat or Dr Alif who have mentioned it in the opposite order on the forum.

Jazakallahu Khayran

And I say the problem is spiritual and the wise ones say Nay! But you are a fool...

And we say that the problem is not spiritual only

1. Nobody is saying that spirituality/Aqeedah is not "a" problem
2. Nobody is saying that spirituality/Aqeedah is not the first priority
   

I don't really know or care much what Mao did. My leader and example is Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and he taught Sahaba affairs of the world while reforming them spiritually. I am a Muslim and not a Buddhist or Monk to sit in a cave and meditate and then emerge to the matters of the outside of the world.

I am a Ummati of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and all matters go simultaneously as taught in Sunnah.

Yaar, I don't know where you get your ideas from?

Opinion 1: Spiritual Reformation ONLY and it will solve all problems

There isn’t a single Hadeeth or verse of the Qur’aan which advocates Muslims to concentrate on spiritual reformation (only) and that spiritual reformation will then lead to other (technical, tactical and strategic solutions).

The spiritual decline in the Ummah is a matter of great concern and it should be prioritised, there is no doubt. However, we are commanded to concern ourselves with matters of Dunya and stay abreast of them, the dead simple narration is this:

عن أنس بن مالك قَالَ رَجُلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ أَعْقِلُهَا وَأَتَوَكَّلُ أَوْ أُطْلِقُهَا وَأَتَوَكَّلُ قَالَ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ اعْقِلْهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ

Anas ibn Malik (RA) reported: A man said, “O Messenger of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam), should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?” The Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said, “Tie her and trust in Allah.”

Now, Buddhist Monasticism of some kind (Mao, Confucius etc) may say something and but I seek guidance from Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) of Madina and he taught me to concentrate and improve on multiple facets.

Opinion 2: Abandonment of Jihad in Makkan Period

I think you are getting your ideas from this verse.

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Any standard Tafseer of the Qur’aan would set the record straight. The “Makkan” ordainments have been abrogated and are no longer valid.

The simplest response to you is that there are “Makkan” verses in the Qur’aan about Alcohol such as this:

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So should we begin drinking (as long as we are not praying) because we are in Makkan period?

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If this is Makkan period then is it an obligation for us to pray half the night?

My simple point to you is how come in Makkan period selected verses of the Qur'aan apply (in your opinion) but other verses don't?

You have a habit of asking questions which are never claimed. You continue to ignore responses and keep asking the same things over and over again because you “think” that it is the point of view of the person.

Instead of “thinking” about my point of view, READ and THEN ask me about my point of view. I am going to repeat myself and make a few point and then I will get to your questions.

Statement 1: I am not against science and education. But first comes spirituality and aqeedah.

Statement 2: And I say the problem is spiritual and the wise ones say Nay! But you are a fool...

Statement 3: However, I strongly believe that once the spiritual problem is solved, other problems will be sorted out automatically.

Statement 4: For me Makkah means any place where the system of Islam is not implemented and where you can't give dawah for khilafah without trouble. Means that when you will give dawah to those who are in authority to change the current political, socio-economic system then you will be ridiculed, tortured, bigoted the same way Prophet Muhammad SAWS and his companions ra were being tortured back in Makkah. Maulana Abdul Aziz and his students in Lal Masjid are a prime example for that.

Statement 5: Are secular countries, countries of Muslim Ummah. Do they protect Muslim Ummah?

Statement 6: Are these countries Islamic or Muslim?

Statement 7: If secular countries are not caretakers of this ummah and are not Islamic or represent the political-socio-economic side of Islam and if you agree to this then show me one example where Prophet Muhammad SAWS instructed his Sahaba RA while in Makkah to gain worldly skills which will later on help build khiafah in Madina.

Statement 8: If we remain silent and don't give dawah of khilafah openly

Statement 9: My question remains unanswered. Give one example where Prophet Muhammad SAWS instructed his companions RA in Makkah to gain worldly skills so that these can be used to build Khilafah state in Madinah or any where else. What was his main focus in that area?

Main points:

1. My ideal is not Mao or bomb planting Takfeerees, my ideal is Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) of Madina
2. Makkah was a transitional phase in Islamic history and revelation was still being received. TODAY, the revelation is complete and I will look at the Shariah holistically and not pick and chose from incomplete revelation because Allah Ta'ala tells me:

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Give your evidence from fully completed Islam and not XYZ and half revealed verses and your imagination.

Khilafah:

Khilafah is a RESULT which Allah Ta'ala will bestow upon Muslims by following the Deen. You CANNOT establish it! You can (and should) the political and governance system of Islam but Allah Ta'ala will BLESS us with Khilafah by us shunning sins and follow Sunnah (including abandoning usury etc).

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By giving Dawah, do you mean that you are highlighting the socio-political system of Islam and making people aware? I can see that but it is ridicolous to claim that you are giving "Dawah" towards Khilafah! Dawah is towards Allah Ta'ala and Islam.

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