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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2014 20:04

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Here is a basic version for younger kids to understand too.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2014 20:05

A mate of mine, his colleague is gay, this guy is muslim too, he's signed up to gay dating websites and apparently his pic on his profile is him in a saari lol

Times are becoming weird. However I still believe homosexuality is more rife in third world muslim countries than the West, in the West it's more vocal. Some of these countries think its okay to be at it and is a cultural norm, in fact you'll get some who will boast about kiddy fiddling, yes our own Muslims, sad and disgusting. But no one talks about it everyone just turns a blind eye towards it, here it's more vocal and they have rights so everyone just looks at the west.

Look at the grooming gangs caught in the UK- sharing little young girls and all were Muslim.

Point is a lot of work needs to be done in our communities etc first. Just some of my thoughts and I could be wrong.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2014 21:38

I didnt say they were reasons i said they may be, Allah in his infinite wisdom has made satar for man for a reason, and this may be a contributing factor, music - nabi SAW said music makes hypocrisy grow in hearts like water makes crops grow, so again contributing factor. and being gay doesnt mean they cant be manly its more to do with following there lustful desires. Finally regarding the grooming gangs, the media are enemies of islam and yes it does occur within the muslim community it doesnt mean we are the only or even the main perpetrators, many white people do the same thing but its never reported in the media.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2014 21:55

Poofs can be manly too ? Lol

Homosexualism and manliness don't go together whatsoever especially from a Muslim point of view. Name one of our muslim warriors who was a homosexual ?? Na uzu billah min zalik.

For centuries this phenomena was shunned and seen as a disorder now all of a sudden it's the new norm so it has become acceptable.

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For centuries this phenomena was shunned and seen as a disorder

It was regarded as a Perversion.. along with other perversions.. then to disorder.. and now to orientation.. they do have a strong lobby..

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 03:04

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Title: Q: But as ive got older, and times are changing quickly ive become confused - islam is a religion of peace and forgivness and understanding yet Allah says if someone is gay then they should be killed...

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Hello, im a muslim teenage girl living in Great Britain, I adore my religion and i always defend it to the very core, But as ive got older, and times are changing quickly ive become confused - islam is a religion of peace and forgivness and understanding yet Allah says if someone is gay then they should be killed, im not gay!! and i do belive that being gay is wrong, but more and more each day muslims are coming out and admitting that they are gay, but also I dont belive in hurting anyone i belive in peace and isnt it Allahs job on the day of judgement to deal with these people and punish them accordingly not mine or anyone elses? as you can tell im a bit confused on the subject and when non-muslims ask me about it i dont really know what to say. If you could help me at all and put my mind at rest i'd be really grateful.

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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

It is only natural for the uneducated youth, growing up in our era to be confused regarding certain matters of the Shar'iah. There is a tremendous amount of propaganda from the anti-Muslim sector to distort the original pristine teachings of Shar'iah into a new reformed, liberal and watered down version of the Shar'iah. There is a push for the reformation and renaissance of Islam. The liberal minded atheists who have severed their ties to any form of organized religion wish to sever the ties of the Muslims from their religion. As such, they present objections against the Shar'iah claiming that the Shar'iah is barbaric, backwards and extreme. They have themselves distorted their own religion and wish to do the same with Islam. The reality of the matter is that Allah Ta'ala has promised to preserve His Deen and the Deen of Islam will remain unchanged and preserved until the Day of Judgment.

The very first thing that one should be cognizant of is that religion as a whole, is dependent upon revelation from Allah to His beloved Prophet, Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم . The Shar'iah is not based upon the intelligence, logic or desires of any individual. The Shar'iah was codified approximately 1400 years ago and any attempt to reform or depart from it is clear misguidance. If the Shar'iah deems an act permissible, such an act can never be considered impermissible no matter how many people lobby to prohibit it. Similarly, if another act is deemed sinful and impermissible, it will never be considered to the contrary despite the efforts of the reformers to reinterpret it.

In reference to your statement regarding non-Muslims asking you about such beliefs and practices, you should understand that Muslims never need to justify their beliefs to disbelievers. As Muslims, we have one set of tenets and laws and the disbelievers have another set of beliefs and laws. We merely believe and submit to the revelation sent by Allah Ta'ala to his beloved Messenger. It is obvious that the disbelievers dislike and disagree with our faith and beliefs. Allah Ta'ala mentions regarding the Christians and Jews,

وَلَنْ تَرْضَى عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ

"They will never ever be satisfied and happy with you until you do not follow their creed." (2:120)

Today their objection against Islam is regarding the permissibility of execution of gays and tomorrow they will object against the execution of adulterers. Then their objections will continue and they will object against the impermissibility of gay marriages and so on. Should their disapproval of our creed lead us to feelings of inferiority? Should we discard and change our religion to please the disbelievers?

As you have mentioned, Islam is undeniably a religion of peace yet it is also a religion of submission. As fallible humans who are prone to hundreds of mistakes, we are not fit to legislate any laws of the Shar'iah based upon our intelligence and neither is it our right as servants to legislate our own laws. As obedient slaves to our beloved Creator and Cherisher, we merely listen and obey. Allah Ta'ala in His infinite knowledge and wisdom knows why He legislates certain laws. It is contrary to the servitude, subjugation and trust of a Muslim to question the wisdom or logic of Allah Ta'ala laws. Furthermore, being a religion of peace does not mean being a religion that tolerates iniquity and wickedness. If being a religion of peace means overlooking evils and vice for the ease and comfort of the perpetrator, of what benefit would the laws of religion serve? Even the most modern and liberal of countries have laws that govern the iniquity and disobedience of its citizens.

Examples of Federal capital statutes (death sentences) for non-murder crimes:

> Espionage (18 U.S.C. 794)
> Treason. (18 U.S.C. 2381)
> Trafficking in large quantities of drugs (18 U.S.C. 3591(b))
> Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror,or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs. (18 U.S.C. 3591(b)(2))

One simple example of this is the act of treason. A person can be executed for leaking domestic information to another country. Why is this act not considered extreme and fanatical? Why is the country that perpetrates such acts not considered radical? Shouldn't these countries also be peaceful, forgiving and understanding? The reality of the matter is that rules and regulations are legislated to maintain law and order in society.

Similarly, the law regarding the execution of gays has been enacted to maintain law, order and a moral society.
Having mentioned thus, it should be noted that Allah Ta'ala has not explicitly mentioned that gays should be killed. There is no Ayah in the Holy Quran to substantiate this claim.

There is no clear-cut substantiation or proof which necessitates the indiscriminate killing of gays. However there are Ahadith (Prophetic narrations) of Rasulullah صلى الله عليه و سلم that do indicate to the permissibility of executing gays caught in the act of perpetrating this heinous sin.

(من وجدتموه يعمل عمل قوم لوط فاقتلوا الفاعل والمفعول به (ابو داود

This establishes that the Shar'iah does not necessitate absolute execution in every single case. The Jurists mention that such Ahadith merely indicate to the permissibility of execution in the event that the leader or government of a certain place deem it to be the best course of action for that particular society. The matter is to the hands of the leader and government officials. If they deem it politically beneficial, they are permitted to execute the homosexual caught perpetrating the act. Similarly, if they deem it better to counsel and advise the perpetrator to repent from the sin or to apply another form of punishment, they are permitted to take that course of action as well.

This seems to be a similar stance taken by various state governments in the . Recently, states like Texas, Oklahoma and South Carolina have enacted laws permitting the execution of repeat sexual offenders who forcefully sodomize minors. The state of Montana is even more strict and do not stipulate an age limit.

The question one has to ask is why is the execution of sodomites in Islam considered barbaric and extreme, yet when the statutes permitting the same execution in western countries not considered radical and barbaric. The only real difference between the two cases seems to be between forced and consensual sodomy. A secular government only safeguards its public from physical dangers and has divorced itself from the moral issues of its subjects: therefore; they only permit the execution of homosexuals for cases of forced sodomy. A religious Muslim government aims to safeguard its public from physical as well as moral and spiritual danger; therefore, such a government will permit the execution of homosexuals for both forced and consensual sodomy.

Nevertheless, no matter what explanation a Muslim presents to the disbelievers, they will never be content with it and continue taunting the Muslims regarding their faith. As mentioned previously, Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran, "They will never ever be satisfied and happy with you until you do not follow their creed." Therefore, we need not worry about their opinions regarding our faith. We should rather strive to please Allah and worry less about pleasing the disbelievers.
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1. Jeffrey Kirchmeier, "Casting a Wider Net: Another Decade of Legislative Expansion of the Death Penalty in the ," 34 Pepperdine Law Review 1, 16-17 and n.86 (2006).

STATE OF LOUISIANA v. PATRICK KENNEDY (No. 05-KA-1981, May 22, 2007), at 37-56 (reviewing laws allowing the death penalty for crimes that do not involve murder).

Marion Quirk, Memo: Death Penalty - Sexual Crimes (June 13, 2006) (on file with DPIC).

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 10:53

Sexual preversion and deviation amongst Muslims is down to:

Difficulty in getting married (in the first place)
Abysmal failure rates of marriage (for Muslims)

Practising Muslims aren't really a shining example of marriage so why would youngsters want to put themselves through the institution of marriage?

As Sisters get older their familes tell them "Get married, we no longer care if the guy is Black, White, Arab whatever"...Ask these Sisters to be a 2nd wife and watch everything disintegrate :p

How can someone live without companionship, its unnatural?

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 12:45

Nowadays parents/kids think that they have to be able to survive independent and equipped financially; this makes the marriage process to start at 25 for boys.
Its common that during 18s, boys have a attraction for women - at this stage parents have to get them married to avoid this consequences of Zina, Fitna, Fasad.
Also some stupid culture(mostly DESI) where people think as if it is prerequisite Fard to serve all their relatives Biryani in order to get their kid married.

Even after marriage, this problem is common if we stay away from deen or not occupied with Deeni activities(tabligh, tasawuf, madarasa, charity, masjid management, Ahle Haq forum management, etc).

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 15:34

Also one more thing...

Allah (SWT) has placed limits on even Halal enjoyments and the blessed Sunnah of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) has taught us manners and control.

You can enjoy your favourite food (as a blessing of Allah (SWT)) but you recite Basmalah, must sit and eat etc. You can't eat like an animal just because its Halal. In my opinion the present materialistic world has tried to lift all limits from sexual encounter and merely made it "enjoyment". Its human nature to get bored and keep experiemented and keep breaching the limits and be "innovative".

The Romans and Greeks had full access to sexual pleasure but they fell to the heinous Homosexuality because Shaytaan showed them this vile act as another way "which they hadn't explored".

The Qum of Sayyidina Lut (AS) also had members of the opposite gender but they CHOSE to act in this sick manner and this highlights the human propensity of innovation.

I implore all the Muslim brothers and sisters reading this to remember that even Halal matters in Islam have to be done according to Sunnah and just because something is Halal doesn't mean you become uncontrolled beasts! Because people will keep getting bored and would want change until they find themselves in matters which are reprehensible!

P.S: I guess someday humans will get bored with humans and start interacting with machines while getting their brains altered for pleasure!

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 16:59

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P.S: I guess someday humans will get bored with humans and start interacting with machines while getting their brains altered for pleasure![/quote]

You are too late, colonel. People are too advanced:

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No more lonely nights: romantic robots get the look of love

Elle Mitaros

(March 28, 2013)

Japanese inventors have created a 'female' robot that has the ability to blink, respond to eye contact and can recognise body language, opening the door for a new kind of romantic companion for humans.

Geminoid F looks like an everyday Eurasian female; she has soft, feminine features, brown hair and eyes and flushed pink cheeks. She has been dubbed the "love bot," due to her high level of intelligence.

In Japan, we believe that everything has a soul and therefore we don't hesitate to create human-like robots.

She is the product of Osaka University's robotics engineers, who have been working towards creating a seamless, humanoid robot.

Initial work on Geminoid F began in the wake of Nintendo DS's 2009 game, Love Plus. The game was designed to simulate a high school romance, with players having the option to decide between three female characters, all of which exhibit typical womanly traits.
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The engineer at the helm of the operation is Professor Hiroshi Ishiguro. He says Japanese men are able to fall in love with simulated versions of romance because of the cultural differences in Japan compared to Western society.

"In Japan, we believe that everything has a soul and therefore we don't hesitate to create human-like robots."

"We can accept that type of a new creature easily," he says.

Professor Ishiguro says the major reason for creating Geminoid F is to learn more about the human race.

"By making a copy of a human, I really think we can understand humans, so we need to understand what is human likeness, what is human-like behaviour and human-like reactions."

A crucial element in the functionality of Geminoid F is her ability to take social cues from human eye contact and gaze. She is able to hold eye contact, blink and vary her gaze depending on the situation.

Director of UWA's Robotics and Automation Lab, Professor Thomas Br�unl, agrees that eye contact is important in constructing a versatile, humanoid robot.

"It's very important for the interactions between a robot and a human, that you have gaze following and gesture recognition."

Despite major improvements in technology, Professor Br�unl says creating a seamless, human-like robot is still difficult to achieve.

"As humans we have a very smooth movement, and robotic movement, as most people associate it, is more abrupt," he says.

Perth counselor and psychotherapist Noel Giblett says that having a 'relationship' with a robot would not be healthy.

"If you've got a robot you can program to be a certain way, well that's like trying to get your life all under control; have your life a certain way, have your partner a certain kind," he said.

"That may be the easier road, but it limits your growth... a real relationship is demanding."

Source: The Sydney Morning Herald

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2014 17:27

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2014 20:03

Homos are having problems with...there are protests by homosexuals in Russia because Putin prohibited propaganda of
homosexuality amongst...hold your breath...children!

Putin: Gay people will be safe at Olympics if they 'leave kids alone'
By Kathy Lally, Published: January 17

MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin said Friday that gay people have nothing to fear in Russia as long as they leave children alone.

Putin met with a group of volunteers in the Olympic mountain venue at Krasnaya Polyana near Sochi on Friday to wish them success at the Games. During a question-and-answer session, a volunteer asked him about Russia's attitudes toward gays, a subject that has provoked worldwide controversy, and Putin offered what was apparently meant to be a reassuring answer for visitors to the Olympics.

"One can feel calm and at ease," he said. "Just leave kids alone, please."

That phrasing - with its intimation that gays might prey on children - hardly seems the kind of guarantee sought by the United States and other Western governments and human rights activists.

Gay rights have become a contentious issue at the Olympics, which begin Feb. 7, because Russia passed a law last year prohibiting "propaganda of nontraditional sexual practices" among �minors. The law has been used to ban gay rights parades - children might see them - and to curb discussion of gay issues on television and in newspapers for fear that those younger than 18 might hear or read about homosexuality. Teachers ignore the subject, isolating gay teenagers. Some homophobes have interpreted the law as encouragement to beat up gays. And there has been talk of taking children away from gay parents.

Sarah Kate Ellis, president of GLAAD, a U.S. advocacy group, said her heart went out to gay and lesbian families who had to live under harsh Russian laws. "Mr. Putin can peddle fear and misinformation, but the global community is increasingly siding with equality for all people," she said.

The law has provoked deep concern in the United States and other Western countries, where it is seen as an infringement on human rights. European leaders have decided to stay away from the Games, and President Obama sent a protest message by choosing a delegation to represent him that includes Billie Jean King, a well-known gay athlete.

"I think the best thing that can be done is that the media continue to shine a light on this issue," said Norman Bellingham, former chief executive of the U.S. Olympic Committee. "There is always the hope that having the Games in an environment brings the full force of the world's media on the issues in that particular country or region."

The International Olympic Committee has steadfastly refused to criticize Russia, saying it believes assurances that there will be no discrimination.

Activists think otherwise.

"Putin's promise that gay and lesbian Olympians and spectators will be safe in Sochi is meant to distract from his country's oppression of its LGBT citizens," said Andrew Miller, a member of Queer Nation, a gay rights group based in New York. "That gays are dangerous to children is an obvious lie meant to justify his violation of the human rights of gay men and women. We are not fooled, and neither is the world."

Children are everywhere, said Julianne Howell, reached at home in Loveland, Ohio, where she has organized a petition drive on Change.org to persuade sponsors to drop their support of the Olympics to protest the gay law. "Simply being gay in front of children is wrong under the law. It means you can't be yourself."

Speaking to a room full of volunteers dressed in their Sochi warm-up gear, Putin attempted to put Russia on higher moral ground than other countries. Homosexuality is not a crime in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union. Homosexuality was legalized in 1993. Police, he said, do not pluck gays off the street. In the United States, he asserted, some states impose criminal penalties for homosexual relations. Not Russia, he said. (In 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that laws prohibiting gay sex were unconstitutional.)

"We have no ban on the nontraditional forms of sexual intercourse among people," Putin said in remarks carried by the Interfax news service. "We have the ban on the propaganda of homosexuality and pedophilia. I want to stress this: propaganda among minors. These are two absolutely different things: a ban on certain relations or the propaganda of such relations."

One more question: Why, a volunteer asked, do Russia's Olympic uniforms contain the colors of the rainbow, the rainbow being a symbol of gay rights?

Don't ask him, the president said. "I didn't design the uniform."

Liz Clarke in Washington contributed to this report.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2014 20:45

wa Alaikum Assalam w.w.

A thread along similar lines.. www.muftisays.com/forums/13-articles--stories--more/7993-...

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2014 20:58

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 11th February 2014 19:13

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A BBC report.

Where is it illegal to be gay?

Legal status of same-sex relationships

The legal status of people in same-sex relationships depends very much on where they live. At one end of the spectrum there are those countries that punish homosexuality with the death penalty - Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen - as well as in parts of Nigeria and Somalia. At the other end, there are those countries where gay couples have the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples.

However, the categorisation of countries according to their approach to gay rights is not without problems. Some states have conflicting laws on same-sex relationships, simultaneously having laws that punish and protect, while other countries have different laws in different regions. This is reflected in the key.

Decriminalising being gay

During the last 200 years, an increasing number of countries have decriminalised same-sex relationships. After a period of criminalisation before the French Revolution in 1789, the trend towards decriminalisation gathered pace - particularly in the 1960s and 1970s.

However, some countries are moving in the opposite direction, introducing punitive new laws and strengthening existing penalties. Last year, India reinstated a 153-year-old colonial-era law criminalising gay sex. Nigeria, which already bans gay relationships, also recently outlawed same-sex marriages, gay groups and shows of same-sex public affection.

Olympic host Russia also introduced controversial legislation in June that prescribes fines for anyone giving information about homosexuality to people under 18.

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