The Prohibition of Photography

Dispensing with the titles as per your request (not that I want to).

Note to the Moderators:

I have not disrespected any Ulama in this thread or in any of the discussions on the topic, if I have please take action as per forum rules.

The reason for my digression is that the individual now wishing to stay on topic:

1. Decided to reveal (selective) snippets of private information (not relevant to the discussion)
2. Decided to issue their (personal presumptions and assessments), also not relevant to the discussion
3. THEN once the stage was sufficiently clouded and polluted (in their view) decided to calmly switch modes to come to the point.

We all know these Donald Trump like tactics when the issue at hand needs to be deflected and the credibility of the person needs to be damaged.

Now to the person at hand...

Point 1:

Before you have a second change of heart let discuss your actions and what prompted you to launch yourself into a discussion.

1. I (indeed) disagreed with a group of a Ulama (in a WhatsApp group of 7-8 people). I indeed left the group.
2. I was added, I left again because I saw no reason to prolong the discussion.
3. I (indeed) sent you and 5 people (specifically) mentioned a private WhatsApp message about my (private) thoughts (which led to my words)
4. There is every chance that my original thoughts were wrong but there is (a chance) that I was justified.
5. You have decided to take all private occurring entrusted (in a private closed group) and to you (specifically) and disclose them publicly

To the best of knowledge and understanding, revealing private information (which is entrusted) is 100% wrong.

As a Mufti, I want you to reflect upon your own behaviour and issue a judgement on your own actions.

A discussion occurs with a fair and open mind, not with a mind which is pre-clouded and judgemental.

Point 2:

And this isn’t the first time I have said this to you.

1. You have never met me.
2. I have never met you.
3. You know (next to nothing) about me.
4. I know (next to nothing) about you.
5. You continue to make (judgements) about me. I agree with assessments which are correct, disagree with incorrect ones and issue correction.

YET you continue to stick to your assessment. 

As a Mufti, I want you to reflect upon your own behaviour and issue a judgement on your own actions.

To the best of knowledge and understanding, presumptions are a sin. And if a person denies an assessment then there clear statement takes precedence over presumptions analysis i.e. someone says it is their assessment that I am an Alcoholic, I say I am not…Who do you trust?

On one hand you make presumptions and judgements, on the other hand you have direct personal statements. What does Islam tell you to do under the circumstances?  

To everybody Else:

At least read and digest before clicking dislike :P

Defining the "Islāmic need" or rather "permission" is an ijtihādī matter in itself.

Exactly what I have been trying to make everyone see in this thread for a long time. Your succinctly summing up the issue is most appreciated, now let’s look at the implications for this:

Ulama (who rule) that photography (in all forms) is impermissible BUT:

1. They come to London to see their Grandchildren or to collect Chanda or to make Aitekaaf during Ramadhan (or otherwise). Since this is an Ijethaadi matter they (self) classify these as Islamic needs.

2. Maulana (ilyas) Ghumman (HA) makes videos on youtube to defend the Eemaan of Muslims and attacks on Islam but that is not classed as an Islamic need to have the prohibition (temporarily) overturned.

You may not have this stance.

The Scholars you are following may not have this stance.

But I want you to honestly comment on those who have this stance.