23
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2014

Darul-uloom Bury (UK) and Christmas Cards

23rd January 2014

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh, 

The issue of congratulating Non-Muslim on their holidays has been discussed many times on various forums. I have tried to convey to some Brothers that I have heard of Deobandi Ulamah congratulating Hindus on Deewali (perhaps they deem it a social rather than religious?) which I can’t comment on.

Darul-uloom Bury is also in the habit of sending Christmas Cards to their neighbours for a long time and this matter was confirmed by Hazrat Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Yusuf Motala Saheb (HA) in his Bayan in 2011.

If Hazrat (HA) or Darul-uloom Bury have changed this practise since 2011, please comment and let me know so correction can be made to this blog.

This is opinion of a group of Ulamah so people have the right to disagree but nobody has the right to disrespect or disparage.


Disclaimer: An opinion of Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Yusuf Motala Saheb (HA) and practise of Darul-uloom Bury of UK is being highlighted in this blog. If this information is incorrect or the opinion has changed please comment so the necessary corrections can be made. Please keep the discussion polite and Academic considering the rank, stature, age and sacrifices of Hazrat (HA) in mind. 

The orignal Bayan of Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Yusuf Motala Saheb (HA) where he talks about Darul-uloom Bury sending out Christmas card (minutes 18:00-19:55)

The Bayan has been converted to a book and it is published as "Light of Prophethood" and its available for free from Azhar Academy, however since its a free gift you will not be able to find it from their website. If you want to purchase the book, call them on the phone, scans from the book and the texts is given below:

As it is Christmas today and tomorrow (24th and 25th December) are important days for people living in this region (Lancashire), including our fellow Nationals in the UK. From the beginning, since coming into this country, while residing in Bolton, I have always sent Christmas Cards to my neighbours. Even after the Darul-uloom was established, cards have continued to be sent annually to neighbours on behalf of the Darul-uloom without fail. I enquired just yesterday, and was informed that the cards have been sent to the neighbours as usual.

This book is not searchable from Azhar Academy website but can be obtained from them by contacting them. The Bayan can be heard in the original Urdu from the link given.

TECNICAL ADDENDUM TO DEFINE SEASON'S GREETING (via email from a Visitor): 

In the Oxford Dictionary Seasons' greeting is defined as "Used as an expression of goodwill at Christmas or the New Year"
 
In the Cambrdige Dictionary Seasons greeting is defined as "Something written on a Christmas card as a way of expressing a Christmas greeting"

23JAN2014 (19:10) UPDATE: Someone has sent me a WhatsApp message with a response from Darul-uloom Bury and I have asked permission for the response to be posted on this blog but no reply has been given. The User has also not introduced or identified themself. If this message is genuine, those browsing are requested to confirm so the response can be posted right here and also for some of the allegations made in the response to be responded to.


24JAN2014 (16:10) DARUL-ULOOM BURY RESPONSE:  I have been informed by multiple Ulamah that I and this blog was discussed in various WhatsApp groups with many Darul-uloom Bury Ulamah. I am neither part of these groups, nor a direct response has been given to me (despite asking multiple times) nor have I been asked for an explanation or reasons etc. All I have done is produced a Bayan already on the web and a book (already in publication) to highlight a practise of sending “Christmas Cards (words used by Hazrat himself in Urdu)” for almost 4 decades starting from before the establishment of Darul-uloom and continuing until 2011 and Hazrat (HA) himself confirming on Christmas eve (2011) that that years’ cards were also sent out.

I haven’t tweeted this and I don't have facebook so if its gone viral with inappropriate comments then those doing so should be approached. I wrote it, (proof read it) and then read it again after the official response and I am satisfied that I have neither disrespected Hazrat (HA) nor the Darul-uloom and I also haven’t criticised anyone and have repeatedly left the matter to the Ulamah, there is nothing else for me to add except dua that may Allah (SWT) give long life to our Akabir and Mashaykh and ability for us to benefit from them (Ameen).

I have been assured by Ulamah that this is an official response to this blog from Darul-uloom Bury and I have been told that it is by Hazrat (Shaykh) Abdur-Raheem Limbada (HA):

Respense from DU Bury

Wa Alaykumus Salām Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakātuhu,

Why the need to create such a furore on social websites?

If the writer was sincere in his intentions, he could have contacted Darul Uloom and enquired about the matter. His manner of attack and his attitude tells a lot about his character and/or his lack of knowledge.

The cards that Darul Uloom send out; 
1. Have no religious messages or symbols on them. 
2. They have 'seasonal greetings' written on them.
3. We only write 'from staff and students of Darul Uloom, Nothing else.

It is our research that such simple greetings are permissible. If the writer believes otherwise, he is entitled to have his opinion, but he has no right to have a go at soft targets.

Many 'Ulama have clearly permitted greeting non-Muslims as long as religious symbols are avoided. See mufti Taqi saheb's fataawa.

It is also written in al-ashbaah that if a person says regarding a non Muslim,
" خلد الله ملك فلان (May Allah let his kingdom last for a long time)"
and his intention is that he may be given hidayat in future, or that the Muslims could benefit through his contributions of jizyah etc,  then this is permitted.

As can be seen from above, the cards being sent are in no way celebrating any religious festivals nor are they supporting it in any way. Rather, the cards are just a friendly greeting from Darul Uloom to it's immediate neighbours.

In the past, when a certain mobs tried to harm our students, they are the ones who defended them and also called police and gave statements in the students' favour.

One should not be hasty in criticizing others without due knowledge. May Allah guide one and all.

 

Tags: deoband
posted by Muadh_Khan on 23rd January 2014 - 36 comments

36 Comments

MbSS wrote on 23 Jan 2014
Shaksiat parast will preclude the graduates from Darul Uloom Bury even countenancing that their Hadhrat might have made a mistake.
Blogger's Reply:
I have no idea as to what you mean
 
Abdullah wrote on 23 Jan 2014
That is a reprehensible act which needs to be criticized with the strongest of words!
Blogger's Reply:
That is upto Ulamah, I am a nobody to know whether this is right or wrong.
 
Abu Zaynab wrote on 23 Jan 2014
Muadh, many Deobandis would despise it if a non-Deobandi scholar(s) were to do the above. If they are doing such things and not speaking against it in their own backyard then they have no right to speak against in vile manner (ample of examples) against non-Deobandis like Abu Layth al-Maliki, Ismail Ibrahim and others.

My point is that we keep hearing of these hypocritical actions of some scholars yet we do not speak against them when it is in our own backyard.
Blogger's Reply:
Before this blog this (action) was hearsay but I have actually posted the original talk and the book in which it is mentioned so yes you are right Ulamah should discuss the matter and who does what should be secondary.
 
Anonymous wrote on 23 Jan 2014
This blog is not true. The title of christmas cards is decieving. Its actually a season card thats given by the Darul uloom which has nothing to do with Christmas on it. Ive confirmed this personally with the principal of Darul uloom bury. If the writter of the blog is an Alim im suprised you haven't contacted them directly and asked for a answer. Very amateur.
Blogger's Reply:
Jazakallahu Khayran for your kind words and wishes. Please listen to the talk, read the book and notice the words "Christmas Card" used by Hazrat (HA), himself n his own voice. I have a WhatsApp message along similar lines from someone who also wishes to remain anonymous (as well) but claims that the response is actually from Shaykh (Maulana) Abdur-Raheem Limbada Saheb (HA) so if an official response can be posted in full Insha'Allah it will assist the Users in figuring out what is what and make it easier to respond to.
 
aaaa wrote on 23 Jan 2014
Before people start to use their emotions rather then there brains it is important to see the full picture with correct information. Yes darululoom bury do send out cards yearly but they are season greeting cards NOT Christmas cards that have religious symbols which represent kufar etc and such greetings according to ulema are permissable with good intention and agendas behind it similarly mentioned in the book al ashbah.
It is common sense that such great ulema which are present in darululoom bury would do an act of kufar or shirk and then do it on a yearly basis surely one should turn to true ulema who actually have knowledge and wisdom to understand this issue or contact darululoom themselves, if anything such issues should be left to ulema to decide not laymen because darululoom bury do not encourage anybody to do this it is there own actions and they will be responsible for anything they do therefore to even highlight this issue to the public is wrong and could create fitna and misunderstanding not to forget on mufti says.com there was a fatwa with regards to christmas cards which said to the nearest effect they are permissable to a certain extent when imitation, kufar, shirk was avoided. darululoom bury is situated in an area full of non muslims who look for any excuse to target it so by showing good character and morals within the bounds of shariah there is great benefit for darululoom in order to refrain from the evil of such people. Living in this country we have to keep a balance, give and take as long as our iman and deen is not effected. some might not agree with this and they have the right to do so but to disrespect ulema and create fitna will not be correct and to give fatwas on this is only the job of the true muftis not laymen. If people go to the extreme of condemning even season greeting cards when there is nothing haram envolved or wrong intentions nor its against the shariah but rather there is benefit then such people should reconsider taking Christmas holidays from work because this will also be celebrating.We should keep in mind the hadith of the prophet s.a.w actions are according to intentions. May ALLAH give us true understanding of the Deen. Ameen!
Blogger's Reply:
Because Hazrat (HA) in his own Bayan uses the word "Christmas card" and also says that he has doing it long before the Darul-uloom was even established. Moreover there is nothing about Kuf'r or Shirk or castigation of the Darul-uloom or disrespect towards Hazrat at all in the blog, these things are only only in your head as your imagination, otherwise POINT THEM OUT IN THE BLOG! The blog is saying exactly that it's a difference of Ulamah. Jazakallahu Khayran
 
Anonymous wrote on 23 Jan 2014
Yes I think the wrong term is used as from the response I have got from Darul uloom shows the hazrat has not taken the meaning of christmas card how we understand it (celebrating) but has used it based on the timing of the year the card is given. I don't understand if you want a first person response why dot you contact them directly rather than using this site to get you concern across?
Blogger's Reply:
Because Hazrat (HA) in his own Bayan uses the word "Christmas card" and also says that he has doing it long before the Darul-uloom was even established. Moreover why do I need to contact the Darul-uloom for reproducing a Bayan in plain Urdu?
 
Karam Nishapuri wrote on 24 Jan 2014
You seeing like bit of a troublesome dick that needing to getting a life.

Yours,
Pir Nishapuri
Blogger's Reply:
I vill be trying to acquire it as per your Holiness.
 
Striver wrote on 24 Jan 2014
A season card on or around 25th December. That makes perfect sense (not).
 
Abu Yahya wrote on 24 Jan 2014
Bhai Mu'adh, I think you should post a screenshot of the WhatsApp message on the blog
Blogger's Reply:
Not without the permission of the person and also authenticating the message. Anyone can send me something to say that its from Darul-uloom but if a Muslim testifies that its original I will post it. But the Anonymous commentator is pretty much claiming the same that the Darul-uloom has commented that its a "Seasons Greeting" sort of card but the Bayan says that its a Christmas Card and specifically Hazrat enquired about it being sent out. But lets suppose that it's a "Seasons Greeting Card" without a Christmas Card specific message sent out from Darul-uloom Bury for the last 30+ years consistently around Christmas and ignore the specific mention of "Christmas Card" in the Bayan.
 
Anonymous wrote on 24 Jan 2014
Yes I think the wrong term is used as from the response I have got from Darul uloom shows the hazrat has not taken the meaning of christmas card how we understand it (celebrating) but has used it based on the timing of the year the card is given. I don't understand if you want a first person response why dot you contact them directly rather than using this site to get you concern across?
Blogger's Reply:
My Brother in Islam, This is the 3rd time I am responding to you about the same thing. I DO NOT have any concerns at all, you obviously have concerns that you have been commenting for over a day saying the same thing in different ways. OK Its "Seasons Greeting" card sent around Christmas day for the last 30+ years so Hazrat (HA) is wrong in his Bayan and you are correct. I have merely reproduced an opinion of a Scholar, may Allah (SWT) reward you for your 3rd correction that it is not a "Christmas Card" but a "Seasons Greeting" card sent around Christmas. Your point was clearly understood the 1st, 2nd and also the 3rd time.
 
Anonymous wrote on 24 Jan 2014
Yes I think the wrong term is used as from the response I have got from Darul uloom shows the hazrat has not taken the meaning of christmas card how we understand it (celebrating) but has used it based on the timing of the year the card is given. I don't understand if you want a first person response why dot you contact them directly rather than using this site to get you concern across?
Blogger's Reply:
This is your 4th comment about the same thing and you have been acknowledged and responded to 3 times previously. For the 4th time, I don't have any concerns but you obviously do. I think most people get it after 2 times that you are saying that these are not Christmas Cards but "Seasons Greeting Cards" sent around Christmas time. Jazakallahu Khayran
 
rahmat ali wrote on 24 Jan 2014
Salam Alaikum,

Can u please be kind enough to tell the purpose of thia blogpost?
Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam, I have been producing the works of our Akabir for almost 2 decades. What is your intention for asking about this particular blogpost? I have done nothing but posting a recording and a book which is freely in circulation without any disrespect or dishonour, what precisely is your point?
 
fishman wrote on 24 Jan 2014
Seasonal cards issued only around Christmas for 30+ years.....hmmmmmm

How about issuing seasonal cards for real seasons (i.e.) Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter

The lenghts that some people will go to in order to defend the indefendable.

Anyone, with an atom of sense from Bury or associated with Bury, should admit their error, immediately stop the practice and move on.....or is repentance just for laymen/women???
Blogger's Reply:
I have no connection with the Darul-uloom and have no input to them so I have no idea what they should or shouldn't do or even if its an error because other Ulamah need to rule on it if its an error.
 
fishman wrote on 24 Jan 2014
@ anonymous poster stating this a season card (posted 4 times)....

Are you an official spoke person for Hazrat or Bury? If so, please post under your official name/tag so we can recognise you and address you repectively according to your status/rank.

Also, this blog has highlighted a serious point, which requires a meaningful response. From my personal experience for the past 20+ years.....rarely does Bury responded to any queries which questions the actions of their respected Scholars....which sadly only leads me to believe that they are beyond approach.

I look forward to be corrected.
Blogger's Reply:
I have asked Annoymous 4 times and also asked my Annonoymous well-wisher on WhatsApp, no response.
 
aaaa wrote on 24 Jan 2014
hazrat probably did say christmas cards but ment season greeting cards because christmas cards is a common word used and it probably was a mistake but the best way to avoid debate is to ask hazrat or ml abdurraheem sb himself because he is the principal. Because with the recording you have there is a difference with regards to what he ment so why not ask him that is the best and easiest solution also if the issue of christmas or season cards has nothing to do with kufar etc then why bring up this debate and cause problems it doesnt matter if hazrat gave the cards long before darululoom was established again hazrat has his wisdom to why he does things.And I did not say that people are disrespecting ulema in this blog what I ment was if someone does then its wrong so its not only in my head read carefully what was written if this issue has difference of opinion amongst ulema then I dont think it should be spoken about in publically it is a personal thing with darululoom and it should be left to that because normal people wont understand the debate and will make wrong comments like one brother said that darululoom has made a mistake and they should repent, because they havnt made a mistake people have not fully understood the situation and dont want to either and jump to conclusions according to you its a mistake but keep your opinions to yourself especially if you dont have no connection to darululoom alhamdulilah I do. but again if you dont believe or agree with me then simply ask darululoom yourself and dont be hesitant in seeking the truth listen to both sides of the arguement this is the only way and solution to this useless debate
Blogger's Reply:
I wonder how many times the same thing needs to be said to people. 5th time, same thing.
 
deen wrote on 24 Jan 2014
This is from Moulana Ibrahim's (HA) Twitter...

https://twitter.com/IbrahimMogra/status/283370058074443776?screen_name=IbrahimMogra

Ibrahim Mogra ‏@IbrahimMogra

#Merry Christmas to all Christians. Let's remember Jesus (pbuh) taught us: Love your neighbour. Love for others what you love for yourself.

Is it okay for laymen to also greet non muslims with Merry Christmas?
 
aaaa wrote on 24 Jan 2014
I know it might seem weird that season cards are given at the time of christmas but the neighbours of darululoom dont complain so why are you they take it as darululoom is being good to them there not bothered about what it is and by continuing to do so darululoom is hitting 2 birds with one stone 1.being good to neighbours 2. avoiding the christmas cards which have kufar signs in them its like you want darululoom to give out christmas cards. And yes ulema are not perfect they are humans that make mistakes but we should always have good thoughts about our ulema and try to justify there actions rather then blaming them unless its clear cut wrong which in this case its not even if it means to make 100 excuses so dont be so hasty to prove people wrong and make them sinful. And if you are trying to say that it doesnt make sense why you would give season cards at christmas time and accept hazrats words of it being christmas cards given out then what is your arguement? that darululoom celebrates christmas? or darululoom is doing kufar? because if it is then your wrong because lets say it is chrismas cards they dont have religious symbols on them that represent christianity I have seen the cards that have been given out when I was in darululoom so its not sin and to say its celebrating merely by giving a card then that is wrong too so dont say the same answer is being put up again and again do something about it to finish this rather then escalate it and like I said before go darululoom in person if your sincere enough to end this rubbish dont just take a little recording and base your views on that get the misunderstanding cleared by contacting darululoom if they dont reply then thats a different story but try first to your best ability.
Blogger's Reply:
Hazrat, Read the whole blog again before commenting for the 7th time on the same issue. Where is the complain? Moreover the practise has been established way before the Darul-uloom, again read the blog again before commenting. I havn't given any personal opinion about anything at all, merely reported something which is in the public domain
 
rahmat ali wrote on 24 Jan 2014
W.Salam, I have been producing the works of our Akabir for almost 2 decades. What is your intention for asking about this particular blogpost? I have done nothing but posting a recording and a book which is freely in circulation without any disrespect or dishonour, what precisely is your point?


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I did not ask 'what have u been doing for the last two decades'? I'm asking, what is the purpose of this blogspot?

I'm also not saying anything about disrespect or dishonor, i'm asking, what is your purpose behind posting this blogspot?

I don't want to pry in your priavte life, no speculations, no imaginations, nothing aboutnwhat u did in the past two decades.I'm asking a wuestion abt a public matter initiated by u.
I'm asking just a simple question, kindly tell us the purpose of posting this blogpost.

Simple question, ur free to not answer but to save fellow brother muslims from having bad doubts abt u is also farz on u if it is created by ur actions.

You can also say like an upright muslim, I'm not telling. Please don't twist and turn words.
Blogger's Reply:
Read the blog and then write in coherent English which can be understood so a reply can be given. Leave your anger aside if it prevents you from writing coherently. If you calm down and read properly you may come to the conclusion that I don't have any doubts let alone bad doubts as you have indicated in your badly structured comment
 
Hassaan Motara wrote on 25 Jan 2014
Brother im no mufti but i know ther is an usool of the fuqaha whoever does not whoever does not know the situation of the people living in his time and age is anignorant person .also thers urf etc basically if ur living in a different time place age era rulings will differ accordingly. You havent lived through the time place n age of darul uloom and yet you want aliens to comment from CHINA. Get a life!
Blogger's Reply:
Read the blog before commenting and point out where I have judged anything. In addition, the practise predates Darul-uloom. Furthermore, I haven't objected to it anywhere, I have merely reported it. Lastly your sentence clears shows that let alone Mufti you are not even a person with Sunah morals, merely shows the character your parents have taught you.
 
rahmat ali wrote on 25 Jan 2014
Read the blog and then write in coherent English which can be understood so a reply can be given. Leave your anger aside if it prevents you from writing coherently. If you calm down and read properly you may come to the conclusion that I don't have any doubts let alone bad doubts as you have indicated in your badly structured comment


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Jazakallah, I have my answer. Are u sure I had anger when i posted it? Or are u just speculating anout a fellow muslim brother? U do imagine a lot of things and then answer ur own conceptions or Inceptions put in place by Allah knows who.

I said, would u be kind enough to tell the purpose of this blogpost and save 'me' from having 'bad dpubts' about ur intentions?


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Lastly your sentence clears shows that you are not even a person with Sunah morals, merely shows the character your parents have taught you.

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Sunnah is that if a situation can create bad thoights in the minds of fellow muslims about you, then clear it. Like rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wasalam cleared when he was standing with his wife.

Keep twisting things, all I'm asking is 'the purpose behind this blogpost'. You have all the right to say ' I don't want to tell u the purpose'

Be a muslim like how a muslim shud be with sunnah morals.
Blogger's Reply:
Brother, PLEASE write properly so it can be understood what you are actually asking! I have blogged on an existing Bayan and that is my intention to bring the knowledge and experience of our Akabir to others as I have done for the past 2 decades. You on the other hand are prying, second-guessing and making assumptions which are all Haram. The example given by you about our Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) DOES NOT apply. Any further comments from you will not be visible UNLESS they are written in a coherent manner so they can be understood and according to Shariah. Jzk
 
aaaa wrote on 25 Jan 2014
lets not go personal inshallah we understand you posted this for knowledge and to create a discussion on this blog but the thing is this issue is a bit delicate to tell everyone about who dont really understand deen and will cause problems. things that have difference can always be debated on and it will go on forever as long as we agree hazrat knows what he is doing its his opinion and ther is nothing wrong about it then lets leave it at that and move to another discussion because this isnt geeting anywhere going in circles but what I can tell you people are getting effected and the situation is escalating so just drop the subject so it doesnt get worse you dont have to be an alim to understand this.
Blogger's Reply:
Jzk for being polite and respectful as I have neither disrespected Hazrat (HA) or the Darul-uloom, can't even think of that! Now this is your 6th or 7th comment so tell me who is not dropping it? I have written what I had to write and that's about it and there is no disrespect in it. Neither have I either judged Hazrat (can't even think of it) nor issued Fatwaas (can't) so the response for you and Rahmat Ali and others is wrong, out of line and OTT to the honest. And I still think that you guys haven't really read the blog because I can't see how you can be writing what you are writing if you would have read it properly from beginning to finish and correctly checked what is being said.
 
deen wrote on 25 Jan 2014
Could we have a fatwa from Darul Uloom Bury stating that it is perfectly acceptable and commendable to send Season's Greetings/Christmas Cards to Non-Muslims/Christians at Christmas time. This way the rest of the Muslims of UK will also not be devoid from the feeling of goodwill and brotherhood with our Non-Muslim/Christian community at Christmas time.

Also, some guidance from the ulama on how to explain this to Muslim children will be greatly appreciated and required - as up until now they have been made to believe that any association with Christmas and the Christmas Season is strictly prohibited.

I understand that this blog is being monitored by the Darul Uloom and those connected with the Darul Uloom, so i trust that my request is carried out in due course. Jzk
Blogger's Reply:
I also think that it will be helpful from Ulamah to clarify their position which has been "accidentally" highlighted for them to officially make the stance clear for laymen. Jzk
 
aaaa wrote on 25 Jan 2014
were not the ones to drop the subject by the way because its your blog change the topic. No one said you disrespected hazrat and we have read the blog properly the issue was about posting such a topic which could cause problems and it did to an extent you should be careful about what types of things you put up not telling us how to respond to it. and we dont need a fatwa from darululoom because the action of darululoom is clear on what they believe however its upto you if you wish to get a fatwa from them. And please stop saying for the 6th time 7th time I said this and I said that its not a proper response what I dont understand is you posted this blog for people to comment on it not for information because people are going to comment on such topics but when we did you didnt like it no one is blaming you that your against hazrat or darululoom so take that out your head please we were dealing with the mas' ala itself of it being permissable or not not a personal attack on you I can understand hazrat saying one thing and doing something else which made a confusion but the way to find out what the truth was to ask the ulema themselves clear the issue then put the blog up.
Blogger's Reply:
Hazrat has said it and doing it (for 40 years) and its already on the Internet and also in a book. I have merely blogged it without any slander, disrespect, dishonour. If you admit that I have not been disrespectful then please take a look at the response and the comments on the blog, what do you see (if you admit that my behavior has not been disrespectful)?
 
fishman wrote on 25 Jan 2014
I've read and re-read the response/justification for sending out Christmas cards from daralum bury

I've find this really confusing - are they saying that it's OK to mimic the practices of the non-believers???

Or are they issuing a fatwah stating its permissionable?
Blogger's Reply:
Brother, I have not seen anything clearcut as to what the Darul-uloom and our Akabir are actually saying in response, I am just as confused.
 
aaaa wrote on 26 Jan 2014
to know darululooms stance on this issue you need to know if this card thats given out is a Christmas one or a seasonal greeting one thats why I said ask darululoom yourself but nobody wants to do that. The reason is christmas cards have religious symbols that represent kufar shirk etc so you cant give them out but seasonal ones are not like that but thats were the problem is can you even give them out despite they dont represent shirk? as far as darululoom is concerned you can for certain reasons not for any little purpose only when there is benifit in doing so. Darululoom is not going to say its haram and at the same time give it out its common sense they are giving it out because they believe its permissable so whats the confusion? and like I said to mr blogger sb im not saying you went against hazrat and disrespected him the fact you bought this issue up seems you were against hazrats views on this Thats why I explained how its not wrong and if that isnt the case but you only put this blog up for knowledge like you said then even that is wrong because not every islamic issue should be highlighted to the public especially delicate and controversial issues which should be left for ulema to deal with and like I said this is a personal issue with darululoom so leave it be if you have any questions then ask them dont create unnecessary attention because things like this will create conflict for people who are ignorant and confusion for the innocent normal muslims so instead of keep proving who said what when how and why close this blog change the topic and move on if your humble and sincere in your efforts other wise this is not going to end.
Blogger's Reply:
The issue was discussed by Hazrat (himself) in a Bayan, I didn't highlight anything, and there is no secrecy is Islam if you are doing something then own up to it if its right. Jazakallahu Khayran
 
aaaa wrote on 26 Jan 2014
bro you really think darululoom is doing something dodgy behind the scenes which they are not owning up to if that is the case why would hazrat even mention it he would keep it on the low but thats not the case so darululoom has got nothing to hide you can trust them they are our great ulema and if hazrat is doing something wrong then i am sure ulema the likes of mufti shabbir sb hadhrat ml hashim sb ml billal sb would disagree but they dont so when somebody targets darululoom (im not talking about you) he is targeting all of these great mashaikh and you rather not do that. HADHRAT did mention it but didnt explain the full scenario but that doesnt mean you can start spreading it around you have to think is it worth mentioning somethings are better to just keep on the low not because its dodgy but because its not everybodys feild to discuss delicate matters in islam. I know you respect hazrat but you cant say if your doing something then own up to it because your then doubting hazrats knowledge and piety and other ulema too and thats not right people do make mistakes but you really believe all of these ulema would support a cause which according to some is kufar if you want to believe that you can but remember they are people of taqwa and know better then us of whats right and whats wrong they have been teaching hadith for over 30 years so I dont think they have anything to hide. I do not have any personal issue if I have said something wrong or hurtful do forgive me one cannot express his or hers true feelings through blogs etc.
Blogger's Reply:
This is 4th or 5th accusation which you have made without any reason and it is HARAM. All I said is that I blogged on a public Bayan...where are you getting this "owning up" "dodgy" and all these words? Please POINT OUT ONE WORD where I have said anything which you continue to accuse me of? Do you have any Fear of Allah (SWT) in your heart? You continue to make accusations (SLANDER) one after another? Where have I said any of this? PLEASE POINT IT OUT CLEARLY OTHERWISE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND MAKE TAUBAH!
 
Abd-Allah wrote on 26 Jan 2014
I quite agree Muadh Bhai with your views. This is a public Bayan, and translated in a free publication available to all. There is public interest in this and clarification in clear cut terms. I appreciate your reverence for Maulana Yusuf Motala Saheb and for upholding his respect at all times in this blog. Maulana Yusuf Motala Saheb is Jayyid 'Aalim.

Sheykhul Hadeeth Maulana Yusuf Motala Saheb is one of the most Senior from our elite honored Ulamaa in the UK. His works has positively transformed the lives of thousands upon thousands, and his simplicity and Akhlaaq are unparalleled. He is from the senior Khulafah of Hadhrat Sheykh Maulana Muhammad Zakariyya Saheb Rahmatullahi Alaih. I hope I have emphasised his status enough because we all love and honour Maulana for his selfless Khidhmat of Deen.

I would be deeply annoyed and frustrated if anyone criticized Maulana Yusuf Motala Saheb, nonetheless what the 'Ulamaa have relayed to us about sending Christmas cards is La Yajooz (not permissible). Seasonal cards sent before Christmas days (though referred to by Hadhrat Maulana Yusuf Motala Saheb as Christmas cards in clear cut terms) surely needs clarification as an eminent Shaykhul Hadeeth of his standing must surely have some Dhaleel (evidences) and applicable for all to follow if they so wish.

The response purportedly from Darul Uloom Bury is unfortunately not signed by anyone and not authoritative. To me this is as good as anonymous. Its easy and very convenient to throw criticism at someone under an anonymous guise.

JK for bringing this to our attention.


Blogger's Reply:
Brother, I have NOT MADE ONE SINGLE ACCUSATION against Hazrat (HA) at all! I have reported a public Bayan and continuously asked people top consult Ulamah. I have no problems with blogging but people shouldn't accuse me of what I have not said. I am in position to question Hazrat (HA) and I haven't so those who have concerns should consult Ulamah. Hazrat (HA) has VERY CLEARLY SAID that he has been sending "Christmas cards" before the Darul-uloom was even established and he says that it clearly in unambiguous language. He (HA) also says (on Christmas eve) that he called and enquired that "Christmas Cards" for this year (2011) have been sent. Darul-uloom Bury has claimed that these are "Seasons Greeting" cards and not "Christmas Cards" the question then becomes that sending "Seasons's Greeting cards" around Christmas is permissible because that's what they have been practising. I agree that instead of admitting and standing by even the "Season's Greeting cards" practise they are jumping on me for fictitious accusations generated from the figment of their imagination. Its time to simple say "Yes we send it Season's Greeting around Christmas and we deem it to be permissible" and that's the end of the matter. This brother "AAA" has made 7+ huge comments written in a manner which are very difficult to understand and NOT ONE is actually pertinent to the issue here. Do Darul-uloom Bury consider sending "Season's Greeting cards" around Christmas? I have no problems with them correcting me (and that's the intention) correct me! This response isn't targeted at you but at all the irrelevant comments which have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I am authorising these comments out of politeness and courtesy but they are largely irrelevant (not yours).
 
zakir wrote on 28 Jan 2014
Salaam,

Great half hearted comments and replies. Amazing persistence for the wrong answer.

Jazakallah Muadh for such an eye opener.

I have a lot to say too, but as you have maintained respect, I shall follow suite.

WasSalaam.
 
Julaybib wrote on 23 Feb 2014
Salaam's.

Bro Muadh ruffling feathers as usual lol.
Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam and you being presumptuous as usual lol.
 
Julaybib wrote on 24 Feb 2014
"Presumptuos" Yeah very bad habit of mine Allah give me hidayah, anyways good to hear from you bro, hope alls well Insha'Allah.
Blogger's Reply:
Yes may Allah (SWT) give us all Hidayah. I have politely raised some concerns which Islam permits me to do but you have continued on your slanderous presumptuous course for years and it was easy for you to make those slanderous comments on SF because nobody could answer/counter you and you could sneak in a comment here or there. Brother, I am open to your suggestions and comments anywhere/anytime and you are more knowledgeable and experienced in every walk of life but direct your comments in a dignified, courteous and importantly Sunnah compliant manner. If I have hurt your feelings (in the past or even now) I apologies but stick to a Sunnah compliant behavior no reason to be cheeky, presumptions or slanderous as it will harm you emotionally (in Dunya) and it will harm your Aakhira. Jzk
 
Julaybib wrote on 25 Feb 2014
Presumptuos course for years huh? Slanderous remarks ? .....! Now whos being presumptuos? For the record I have always held you and your work in high regard, and in list of favourite posters on SF always mentioned you as my favourite. So I dont know were all this is coming from.It seems I have clearly hurt your feelings so I offer my utmost apologies, and Khayr in future I will refrain from commenting on your articles, or communicating with you.
Allah Hafiz.
Blogger's Reply:
No need to apologies brother but I have read all the comments on SF about me "shooting before thinking once again" several times while banned. You won't hurt my feelings but you could act according to Sunnah and actually discuss issues upfront instead of talking about people while they are banned when they have no way to defend or answer for themselves, makes you feel like a real man, doesn't it? So once again you show up make sarcastic comments (uninvited) and then try to escape for the moral high ground instead of standing your ground, its easy to make comments when people are banned and can't respond, isn't it?
 
ibn_qassim wrote on 21 Apr 2014
Salam, who is brother Maudh? Secondly, after reading the entire blog and comments I cconcluded that the intention of the blogger was to get people posting on this issue as he did not agree with hazrat's action of posting chrismass cards which, yes hazrat mentiones himself. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm write, then the blogger has a lot of jurrat to do such a thing regarding such a GIANT of ilm, taqwa, ma'rifat and ikhlaas. I wouldn't dare. What would we know of hazrat's hikmah in this? What would we know??? If I had a querry on hazrat I would ask him which I wouldn't be able to do because of the awe and ro'b that ALLAH TA'ALA has granted hazrat, then I would deffinetely not discuss it in public forum amongest the awaam as they would get baddhan with such a giant of our time. May ALLAH TA'ALA guide us all ameen. Jazakallahu khairan.
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam, Who are you? Secondly the Bayan and the book is in PUBLIC circulation in PRINT and AVAILABLE so I didn't do anything. Thirdly, I didn't discuss anything in PUBLIC its already in PUBLIC DOMAIN. The rest of your ideas are unclear to me. Jzk
 
ibn_qassim wrote on 23 Apr 2014
Salam,
Who is brother Maudh?? The book is in circulation because hazrat himself put it there, fine, but what you did here is what we call in urdu, 'tabsira karna. Now in you people's western world that may be nothing but in sub-continent it is reagarded as a big deal and we normally say, 'yeh kon aagaye hazrat ki baat par tabsira karne wale. There is a kitaab in publication called Sirajul Qari li Sharhil Bukhari. Its a commentry of hazrat shaykh zakariya r.a on sahih al bukhari, compiled by his beloved student and khalifah hazrat moulana abdur rahim motala r.a. When the first adition was published someone from nadwatul ulama requested hazrat moulana rabi'I sb to write a tabsirah on this kitab. He said who am I to write a tabsira on hazrat shaykh r.a's taqreer? I can nver dare, Who am I? But you went on to do tabsira on hazrat's qawl. Aapko kuch awr mila hi nahi baat karne ke liye???masha Allah. Jazakallah
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam. Learn to read before commenting and then learn to write properly in a way that people can understand and comprehend. The blog is there for everyone to read and decipher for themselves. Please save yours and everyone's time and don't write anymore since you are not able to either read properly or write. There is no "Tabsirah (comment or deliberation of any kind). Jzk
 
ibn_qassim wrote on 24 Apr 2014
Jazakallah for telling me something I already knew,"I don't know how to write nor read. You see I'm just a student unlike you mash Allah you are a big mufti. Barakallahu fi ilmik wa amalik. Since you have written me off, I will not waste your time any further. Apologies for inconvenience.

Blogger's Reply:
The least you should do is learn Sunnah! You don't know me at all and it is HARAM for you to be presumptuous, slanderous, slandering to a Muslim for no reason whatsoever. By Allah! Our Akabir were men of intellect, intelligence, Academia and above all dignity, respect and adherents of Sunnah; May Allah (SWT) guide you to the noble Sunnah of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam). If you read the blog carefully and in detail you MAY NOTICE that there is no insult, no comment, no disrespect, no Tabsira (further commenting) and not even that EVEN the response of Hazrat Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Abdur-Raheem Limbada Saheb (HA) has been posted in full (which can be easily disagreed with) but I have left it as is out of respect for Hazrat. Jazakallahu Khayran
 
Abdi M wrote on 10 Oct 2014
Question

Assalamualaykum,

A bayan by a senior UK Shaykh, which has been converted in to a book called "Light of Prophethood" contains, what appears to be, the following not so enlightening quote of the Shaykh:

"As it is Christmas today and tomorrow (24th and 25th December) are important days for people living in this region (Lancashire), including our fellow Nationals in the UK. From the beginning, since coming into this country, while residing in Bolton, I have always sent I have always sent Christmas Cards to my neighbours. Even after the Darul-uloom was established, cards have continued to be sent annually to neighbours on behalf of the Darul-uloom without fail. I enquired just yesterday, and was informed that the cards have been sent to the neighbours as usual."

The official justification provided is as follows:

"The cards that Darul Uloom send out; 1. Have no religious messages or symbols on them. 2. They have 'seasonal greetings' written on them. 3. We only write 'from staff and students of Darul Uloom, Nothing else. It is our research that such simple greetings are permissible. Many 'Ulama have clearly permitted greeting non-Muslims as long as religious symbols are avoided. See mufti Taqi saheb's fataawa.

It is also written in al-ashbaah that if a person says regarding a non Muslim, " خلد الله ملك فلان (May Allah let his kingdom last for a long time)" and his intention is that he may be given hidayat in future, or that the Muslims could benefit through his contributions of jizyah etc, then this is permitted.

As can be seen from above, the cards being sent are in no way celebrating any religious festivals nor are they supporting it in any way. Rather, the cards are just a friendly greeting from Darul Uloom to its immediate neighbours.

In the past, when a certain mobs tried to harm our students, they are the ones who defended them and also called police and gave statements in the students' favour."

Is this a valid justification for the dissemination of "seasonal greeting" cards as they are called?

Are Muslims of the UK justified in following this opinion or is it the promulgation of batil?

Answer

To interact with non-Muslims is permissible. To make them your confidants is not allowed. To send greeting cards is, in our times, the way of the enemies of Islaam.

If the Elders set a precedent then millions will be spent by simple Muslims which will be tantamount to wastage and extravagance. To send greetings during their festive seasons is, unfortunately, sending out a wrong signal of approval of their 'baatil'.

For example: giving gifts to Christians during Christmas denotes that because of Christmas we are giving gifts. Thus one should abstain. On days that are not their festive occasions, invite those people and feed the males and females separately. This will maintain a good relationship.

Our firm belief must be that all conditions come from Allaah and Allaah alone - not by bootlicking the powers that be.

And Allah Knows Best

Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)
Category: Other Religions
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Shebaz Razvi wrote on 25 Jul 2018
Wow. Sahabah were questioned and they presented clear evidence upon Quran and Sunnah, yet Deoband are claiming to be above reproach.
Christmas is a Pagan festival and is not from Christianity and Easter is also Pagan. So if I send a card around the time of Christmas to a non-Muslim, and the non-Muslim understands it as an acknowledgement of their festival, then I have left them in misguidance. So where is the fulfilment of the command to enjoin the good and forbid the evil?
We send food to non-Muslim neighbours on Eid and never for any other festival as Allah has given us two Eid's for celebration and this is all that believers have been given, and the Sahaba were content with this.
 
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