22
Jan
2013

Prayer of a Hanafi behind another Imam

22nd January 2013
Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,


Many Muslims who follow the Hanafi Madhab in our times are confused about the matter of praying behind an Imam who is following another Madhab because the method or conditions of Wudhu or prayer is different to the Hanafi Madhab. Firstly, please understand that the four (4) Madhabs are based on Ahadeeth and actions of Sahaba (RA) and the later generations and in the earliest generations of Islam we find no precedence of believers refusing to pray behind each other. Secondly, this issue can only be discussed with respect to Aqeedah (creedal differences) or Fiqh (jurisprudence differences) and Hanafi Ulamah have spoken with regards to both.

Aqeedah (Creedal point of view):

Imam Tahawi (RA) was a Hanafi, an Imam in Aqeedah and he makes the point sufficiently clear:

ونری الصلاۃ خلف کل بر وفاجر من اھل القبلۃ ، ونصلی من مات منھم


69. We agree with doing the prayer behind any of the People of the Qibla whether rightful or wrongful, and doing the funeral prayer over any of them when they die.


Fiqh (jurisprudence point of view):

Shah Abdul-Aziz [1745-1823] (RA) was the eldest son of Shah Waliullah (RA) and a giant knowledge of Hadeeth & Hanafi Fiqh and an accepted authority, he severally castigates those who question this matter, calls them narrow minded and says that their opinion is not worth listening to. he states in his Fatawa:

Q) Is it permissible for someone following the Hanafi Madhab to follow Shaf’ae, Maliki, Hanbali and all of them in prayer?

A) The prayer of someone following the Hanafi Madhab is permissible and correct behind a Shaf’ae, Maliki, Hanbali and this is because in principle (*) there is no difference between these Madhabs and this command is evident from books of Ahdaeeth & Fiqh but in our times some Ulamah from Transoxiana due to their deficient knowledge hold “Taa’sub” and talk about this matter but their discussions are to be rejected because it is against Fiqh & Aheedth and their personal Ijtehaad and it is absolutely not worth being relied upon or even listening to!

In Makkah Muadhama, this method is being practised upon that people pray behind each other and if this was not the case then what would be the difference between (different) Madhabs of Ahlus-Sunnah and deviant sects? According to Ahlus-Sunnah and all trustworthy and major Fuqaha truth is encircled within the four (4) Madhabs and this matter should be looked into authentic books of principle so the heart finds content (in it).

Urdu Fatwa

(*) Here he means that all four Madhabs are part of Ahlus-Sunnah Wal Jamaah in principle and not that principles within the Madhabs are the same!

Issue of Imam wiping on Thin Socks? Caught in a situation?

I am being bombarded with emails so here is a quick response.

According to Hanbali Madhab the socks which are deemed suitable for Mas'ah simply need to be thick enough for the underlying skin to not be discernible. Basically: thickness is a quality that is not sought in and of itself; thus it is neither sought in and of itself nor is it something quantitative. So what follows is that regardless of the "thickness" or the "thinness" of the material: as long as the color of the underlying skin is not discernible, then it is considered "thick".

Prayer is permissible according to Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA):

Ulamah of Yorkshire put this question to Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) about praying behind someone on an occasion and he (HA) responded that an assumption should be made that the Imam is following conditions of Hanbali Madhab and prayer will be valid and doesn't need to be repeated. I have personally checked and verified this.

Prayer is permissible according to Shaykh (Mufti) Mahmoud Usmani (HA):

This is what Shaykh Mahmoud Usmani said, emphasizing that we have not been made morally responsible to pry into the affairs of others, especially when doing so entails undue hardship, and that the default assumption regarding all human actions (as explained by Imam Abul Hasan al-Karkhi, the great Hanafi faqih) is that they are valid and sound, and we are expected to interpret them in such a manner whenever possible.

Or assume that his socks are thick enough (e.g. in the Hanbali school, whose conditions are less taxing than the others in this matter).

Issue of Imam wiping on Thin Socks? When an alternative is available?

As a believer you are supposed to leave alone matters which places doubt in your heart so the superior method would be for you to remove doubt from your worship and if there is another congregation available then you should opt to pray behind an Imam who is not wiping on thin socks according to Hanafi Madhab.

عن أبي محمد الحسن بن على بن ابي طالب سبط رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وريحانته رضي الله عـنهـما ، قـال : حـفـظـت مـن رســول الله صلى الله عـليـه وسلم :
دع ما يـريـبـك إلى ما لا يـريـبـك



On the authority of Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Taib, the grandson of the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu ëalayhi wasallam, and who is dearest to him, radiyallahu ëanhuma, who said: I committed to memory from the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu ëalayhi wasallam, (the following words): Leave that about which you are in doubt for that about which you are in no doubt. [At-Tirmidhi]


Google+ discussions with our dear and beloved Hazrat Shaykh (Mufti) Abu Hajira (HA):

Hazrat Shaykh (Mufti) Abu Hajira (HA) has taken the time to read and comment on this blog and may Allah (SWT) give Hazrat (HA) the best of success in this world and the next (Ameen).

After interacting with Hazrat Shaykh (Mufti) Abu Hajira (HA) I also went back to the Ulamah (in UK) and requested their guidance in the matter. Maulana (HA) explained to me that the opinion of Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) is what it is but it also contradicts the opinion of his own father i.e. Shaykh (Mufti) Shafi Usmani (RA) who has written the opposite in some of his writings so people should be cognizant of that.

I asked Hazrat Maulana (HA) that in my humble view the correct way to look at the problem at its heart is that the issue boils down to two:

1) Are the conditions of Wudhu & Prayer of the Imam to be judged according to his own Madhab?

2) Are the conditions of Wudhu & Prayer of the Imam to be judged according to the Hanafi Madhab (i.e. the Madhab of the Muqtadi)?

Some of the British Ulamah sent a query to Darul-ulooms in Pakistan and Darul-uloom Jamia Haqqania Akora Khatak responded in detail that both opinions exist in the Hanafi Madhab and if the Wudhu and prayer of the Imam are correct according to his own Madhab then it will be correct and permissible for the Hanafi to pray behind this Imam. I have asked for a copy of this Fatwa so I can get it translated and for it to be made public so this response is partial and without actually looking at the Fatwa.

The second issue is the conditions of socks upon which Mas’ah is valid according to Hanabila, which I will also obtain get it translated made public.


Homework:

I will Insha'Allah with the Tawfeeq of Allah (SWT) obtain, translate and present the following:

1) Fatwa that if the Wudhu and prayer of the Imam are correct according to his own Madhab then it will be correct and permissible for the Hanafi to pray behind this Imam

2) Conditions of Mas'ah on non-leather socks in the Hanbali Madhab by Hanbali Ulamah

Insha'Allah your duas are requested, until then.


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posted by Muadh_Khan on 22nd January 2013 - 10 comments

10 Comments

abu mohammed wrote on 22 Jan 2013
Good post.

Alhumdulillah that was clear from the beginning, but what about issues that are not from the 4 schools, eg Salafi actions of wiping cotton socks. If we know that that's what they have done, then are we still allowed to pray behind them knowing that they do t have Wudhu?

Also, this issue is very common in India. I know people who go to Makkah and Madinah but they never pray behind the Imam. (barelwi Indians)
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam,

Blog updated with Masah on thin socks scenario. Barelwees are barelwees what can we say? :-)
 
Ibrahim Patel wrote on 28 Jan 2013
Assalamu Alaikum

Respected Colonel Hardstone

I would like to bring the following to your attention. The quotes are from Masah-alal-Khuffaain by Majlisul Ulama of S.A. (Maulana A S Desai).

I am of the strong opinion that according to him the 'alleged' Hanbali math-hab's position of the socks needing to only cover the skin is misleading. His book lists the conditions in the Hanbali math-hab.

Quotes as follows:

"If the imam leading the Salaat happens to be a Salafi Ghair Muqallid and he is wearing socks, then Salaat will not be valid behind him. It is their common and permanent habit to make masah on ordinary socks. Their wudhu will therefore not be valid in terms of all Four Math-habs. Hence Salaat behind such an imam is not valid."

"In the terminology of the Fuqaha, Thakheen are socks of such durable and tough material which renders them khuffain for all practicalpurposes, We have already explained the properties of Thakheen earlier on.

According to Imaam Maalik's one view masah on jurabain is not valid even if they are Thakheen and even if leather is sewn on them. In another view, he avers that masah will be valid on socks of the Thakheen kind if leather is sewn on them, for then they will in reality bo khuffain. According to Imaam Shaafi, masah will be valid on Thakheen socks only if leather is sewn on them. In the view of the Hanafi and Hambali Math-habs, masah is valid on Thakheen socks even if leather is not sewn on them, i.e. they are Mujalladain."

"According to the Hambali Math-hab, continuous walking is not a condition. The durability of the sock is left to Urf (Popular custom). If
according to the prevalent custom the sock is strong enough for walking, i.e. walking without shoes, it will be valid for masah otherwise not."

"From the description of the khuffain given by the Four Math-habs, it is obvious that there is consensus on the fact that the socks are of a special type in which walking without shoes is possible without the socks tearing. The normal socks worn in this day lack in this quality."

May Allah Ta'ala reward you for all that you do.

Was Salaam






Blogger's Reply:
Asslamo Allaikum,

Jazakullah Khairun for your input and comments.

 
Mohammad Naveed Sher wrote on 20 Oct 2013
Aslam-o-Alikum. I am sorry i may be a little different in approaching this problem.We are already confused with so much of variations in thought which has lead us s to confusion my humble request to all those who are making fathi was to please see we are already divided in some sections and our tolerance levels are on negative sides please try to avoid such discussions where people decide to invalid the prayers just he has not followed a particular way of prayers.Please i refer the incident of Hazrat Musa advising the shepherd how to pray.Please read this incident and decide for yourself that how simple the God has made our religion to practice.

Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam. This is the Ummah of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) so I am unsure which incident of the shepherd you are referring to with regards to Sayyidina Musa (AS)? Can you please elaborate?
 
Mohammad Naveed Sher wrote on 20 Oct 2013
Aslam-o-Alikum I read the tale written in the masnavi of Jalal-ud-din Rumi(book2.7 story).I cannot say the authenticity but i think the essence is important and by the violation you do not entered in forbidden zones.
Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam my Brother, I am not familiar with this story so I can't say I agree or disagree but may Allah (SWT) reward you for taking the time to explain yourself. Jazakallahu Khayran

 
Mohammad Naveed Sher wrote on 21 Oct 2013
Dear Brother
Aslam-o-Alikum Thanks but i think you must have read the first chapter of Quran Surah Al Baqara(The Cow). The Bani Israil when God Almighty ordered them to sacrifice the cow if they would have obeyed in first instant the thing would have been much simpler but as the nature they kept on creating the sacrifice difficult for them by asking so many questions.
second issue of socks please God Almighty knows what will come in future so let us not discuss whether the socks to be of what particular type,when he has granted you a relaxation please enjoy it and believe me God (SWT) is merciful.
I heard of bariwali before this as well what a
simple point to understand the God has taken the responsibility to care for this religion and nauzubillah Allah(SWT)........... sorry can not complete this sentence.
Remember their are so many muftis who are professing this as right thing which bariwali are doing.My sweet Almighty allah say that this Quran is so simple to understand that people of desert known as Baddus can even understand.
The last request to all my brothers is to please make the thing simple for all muslim
brothers and do not confuse them.
thanks wa salam alikum
Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam. I am glad that you have bought up the Qur'aan so lets discuss Qur'aan (Insha'Allah). There is NOTHING in the Qur'aan whatsoever about wiping the feet but it explicitly talks about washing the feet [5:6]. The explicit verse of the Qur'aan can only be explained by equally sound and explicit Hadeeth and there is no evidence whatsoever of wiping on ordinary socks. If someone was to merely follow the Qur'aan then they wouldn't wipe the feet like the Rafidhees (Shias) don't but if someone was following both Qur'aan and Hadeeth then the wiping must be limited.
 
Muslim wrote on 8 Nov 2013
Assalamu alaikum

On a thread on Sunniforum, you argued in favour of the permissibility of masah on Wilson sports socks. Do you still hold this view? What do the scholars that you keep in touch with say on this issue? What is the correct way to understand the condition of the socks not being tied?
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam, I use SealSkinz or leather socks. The same thread also has Mufti Hussain explaining the tied issue in detail. Jazakallahu Khayran
 
Khubaib wrote on 7 Jul 2016
Assalam o Alaikum!
Brother Muadh Khan have you done your homework i.e.
Have you obtained those things i.e.
1) Fatwa that if the Wudhu and prayer of the Imam are correct according to his own Madhab then it will be correct and permissible for the Hanafi to pray behind this Imam

2) Conditions of Mas'ah on non-leather socks in the Hanbali Madhab by Hanbali Ulamah

What is the current position of majority of hanafi ulema on this issue?
What is your own opinion?
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam, I don't have a position on anything but the article here in Introduction clarifies your queries ***www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Acts-of-Worship/hanafi-another.html*** It is about Wit'r but the same principle follows
 
Khubaib wrote on 7 Jul 2016
Assalam o Alaikum!
Brother Muadh Khan have you done your homework i.e.
Have you obtained those things i.e.
1) Fatwa that if the Wudhu and prayer of the Imam are correct according to his own Madhab then it will be correct and permissible for the Hanafi to pray behind this Imam

2) Conditions of Mas'ah on non-leather socks in the Hanbali Madhab by Hanbali Ulamah

What is the current position of majority of hanafi ulema on this issue?
What is your own opinion?
Blogger's Reply:
W.Salam, I don't have an opnion and I am a nobody to have an opinion. You don't need Hanafi Ulama to endorse what is the "Hanbali" opinion on an issue. If the Hanbali Ulama say its their Madhab they are the authority. Please feel free to contact Hanbali Ulama about their Madhab.
 
Muhammad wrote on 28 Sep 2018
Salam alaykum
Did you manage to obtain the fatawa and details you were going to look for?
May Allah reward your efforts.
Blogger's Reply:
W-Salam

Sorry, which Fatwa?

Jazakallahu Khayran
 
Muhammad wrote on 29 Sep 2018
I was referring to the "homework" you assigned yourself.

1: The Fatwa from Darul-uloom Jamia Haqqania Akora Khatak
2: Confirmation of the conditions in the handball Madhab
Blogger's Reply:
Never got to it unfortunately and too busy now...
 
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