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A reminder of my own work via an email. SubhanAllah. Jazakallah for the solution to my current dilemma.


The Most Important Lesson From All This!


If you click on the above link, please read the whole thing.

InshaAllah, you wont need to come back to ask me anything again.
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These statements prove many actions of certain sects to be false.

Yet we hear the same old story of "we follow the strongest opinion".

A Hadith states that Rasulullaah (SAW) said, “Verily Allaah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar.”(1) This tells us that nothing contrary to the truth will come from the tongue of Hadhrat Umar (RA). Therefore, why should he not be a criterion for good and bad?

There is also another narration in which Rasulullaah (SAW) said, “There has been Muhaddathoon in the previous nations (people whose tongues are inspired with the truth). If there is any Muhaddath in my Ummah, it is definitely Umar.”(2)

Imaam Tahtaawi (RH) reports a Hadith in which Rasulullaah (SAW) says, “Many things will be initiated after me and those that I love the most are the ones that Umar shall initiate. You people should therefore adhere steadfastly to that which Umar initiates.”(3)


1) Tirmidhi, as quoted in Mishkaatul Masaabeeh (Pg.554).
2) Mishkaatul Masaabeeh (Pg.554).
3) Imaam Tahtaawi (RH)’s commentary to Maraaqil Falaah, Pg.239.
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An important word.


Can someone elaborate on the one word "Muhaddath" from the Hadith above.
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"abu mohammed" wrote:
These statements prove many actions of certain sects to be false. Yet we hear the same old story of "we follow the strongest opinion".

A Hadith states that Rasulullaah (SAW) said, “Verily Allaah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar.”(1) This tells us that nothing contrary to the truth will come from the tongue of Hadhrat Umar (RA). Therefore, why should he not be a criterion for good and bad?

There is also another narration in which Rasulullaah (SAW) said, “There has been Muhaddathoon in the previous nations (people whose tongues are inspired with the truth). If there is any Muhaddath in my Ummah, it is definitely Umar.”(2)

Imaam Tahtaawi (RH) reports a Hadith in which Rasulullaah (SAW) says, “Many things will be initiated after me and those that I love the most are the ones that Umar shall initiate. You people should therefore adhere steadfastly to that which Umar initiates.”(3)

1) Tirmidhi, as quoted in Mishkaatul Masaabeeh (Pg.554).

2) Mishkaatul Masaabeeh (Pg.554).

3) Imaam Tahtaawi (RH)’s commentary to Maraaqil Falaah, Pg.239.

Asslamo Allaikum,

‏حدثني ‏ ‏أبو الطاهر أحمد بن عمرو بن سرح ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن وهب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏إبراهيم بن سعد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبيه ‏ ‏سعد بن إبراهيم ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي سلمة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏أنه كان يقول ‏ ‏قد كان يكون في الأمم قبلكم ‏ ‏محدثون ‏ ‏فإن يكن في أمتي منهم أحد فإن ‏ ‏عمر بن الخطاب ‏ ‏منهم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏ابن وهب ‏ ‏تفسير محدثون ملهمون ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏قتيبة بن سعيد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏ليث ‏ ‏ح ‏ ‏و حدثنا ‏ ‏عمرو الناقد ‏ ‏وزهير بن حرب ‏ ‏قالا حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن عيينة ‏ ‏كلاهما ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن عجلان ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن إبراهيم ‏ ‏بهذا الإسناد ‏ ‏مثله ‏

A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)) as saying: There had been among the people before you inspired persons and if there were any such among my Umma (Sayyidina Ameerul-Mumineen) Umar Ibn Khattab (RA) would be one of them. Ibn Wahb explained the word Muhaddathun as those who receive Ilham (Mulhimoon). [Muslim]

Imam Nawawi (RA) in the commentary of Saheeh Muslim records this opinion but also says that Ulama-e-Kiraam have differed on the exact definition of Muhaddathun and text is as follows:


هَذَا الْإِسْنَاد مِمَّا اِسْتَدْرَكَهُ الدَّارَقُطْنِيُّ عَلَى مُسْلِم , وَقَالَ : الْمَشْهُور فِيهِ عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيم بْن سَعْد عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَة قَالَ : بَلَغَنِي أَنَّ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ , وَأَخْرَجَهُ الْبُخَارِيّ مِنْ هَذَا الطَّرِيق عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَة عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَة . وَاخْتَلَفَ تَفْسِير الْعُلَمَاء لِلْمُرَادِ بِمُحَدَّثُونَ , فَقَالَ اِبْن وَهْب : مُلْهَمُونَ , وَقِيلَ : مُصِيبُونَ , وَإِذَا ظَنُّوا فَكَأَنَّهُمْ حَدَّثُوا بِشَيْءٍ فَظَنُّوا , وَقِيلَ : تُكَلِّمُهُمْ الْمَلَائِكَة , وَجَاءَ فِي رِوَايَةٍ ( مُتَكَلِّمُونَ ) وَقَالَ الْبُخَارِيّ : يَجْرِي الصَّوَابُ عَلَى أَلْسِنَتِهِمْ , وَفِيهِ إِثْبَات كَرَامَات الْأَوْلِيَاء . ‏

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A'isha reported Allah's Messenger (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) as saying: There had been among the people before you inspired persons and if there were any such among my Umma (Sayyidina Ameerul-Mumineen) Umar Ibn Khattab (RA) would be one of them. Ibn Wahb explained the word Muhaddathun as those who receive Ilham (Mulhimoon). [Muslim]


Jazakallah.

INSPIRED by whom/what?

Should these inspirations become part of the Sunnah as The Prophet said You people should therefore adhere steadfastly to that which Umar initiates

So why take some and leave the rest?
Why pick and mix?

Doesn't being part of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa' mean we must accept EVERYTHING?
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