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Yasin
![]() 9th Sep 2004 Longevity: 100% Location: London, UK Posts: 2907 Gender: Brother Reputation: 651 |
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thesunnah
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super-glue wrote:
Sorry bro, I found your entire approach quite pathetic during this entire madness you caused with a lie about how you're still searching for the truth and within a week you found it lol. Lo and behold, you found it elsewhere and not the place you argued non-stop for a week. Who said that I've only been looking for the correct methodology for a week? what you can say is that I've only been asking here on this website for a few weeks, the reason I began asking here was firstly because I came to know that you lied about the eid salah, and secondly because I was shocked to find out the the brothers from tarbeeyyah respect the four madhaahib. thesunnah wrote:
Just the other day, I spoke to some salafi brothers who attend tarbeeyyah mosque on leswin road, I asked one of their brothers who is currently studying about following a Madhab and he told me he recomends it and that he's a follower of the Hanbali madhab, I was shocked after hearing this thinking they were completely against the four madhabs. As for my quest for the truth, it began a long time ago in the days of college and uni, as you know, many of the isocs are run by salafi brothers, they used to tell me that blind following one madhab is haram. I heard from some of our scholars that salafis mock the madhabs so that really deterred me from following their way. I found their methodology very appealing but couldn't stand the fact that they didn't respect the madhabs, I kept researching and the more I researched the more inclined I was to their way, the main thing that put me off was the disrespect I thought they had for the madhabs. I was too embarassed and perhaps scared to ask them why they disrespected the madhabs, I didn't have any knowledge to debate them so I thought it'll be better to let them do what they wanted to do. As the years went by, I read a few books they had in their isoc library on different sciences, I remember reading a book on the five pillars, It was a compilation of fatwa on the pillars of Islam and Iman by sheikh bin uthaimeen, this opened my eyes to the way of the salafis in their fiqh, the only thing that I couldn't understand was why they showed great disrespect for the madhabs. Just recently I had the nerve to ask one of the brothers at tarbeeyyah about following a madhab, he gave me an answer that really surprised me, that's when I began posting on this forum, I also posted on a salafi forum, they obviously helped me a lot more than you did, the only thing I found from this forum was insults, slander, and brothers telling me they're laymen but then trying to refute the salafis as if they were scholars, a great blunder on your part. The brother from tarbeeyyah also helped mashallah, not once was he rude to me nor did he avoid any questions I asked him. I took many masalas to him and he broke them right down for me, something that the brothers here were unable to do. He opened my mind and made me question myself in a lot of the things the hanafis practice, he provided the statements of the classical scholars on every hadith and ruling he gave me. The brothers on the salafi forum refuted every misconception I had, they even showed me something that shocked me more than any of the above, they presented me with something in aqeeda and then linked me to a fatwa on this website, the shocking part was that the fatwa on this site was completely different to a fatwa given by one of the big hanafi scholars who is also promoted on this site, it was really disturbing to see two well respected hanafi scholars having the complete different belief on a major part of aqeeda, they both refute the other opinion with severe statements. After realizing some of the differences you have amongst your scholars on major parts of aqeeda, I had no choice but to accept the way of the salafis. Alhamdulillah Allah made it very easy for me, a true blessing. I think it has upsetted you that I chose to take their way, I had a feeling that doing this would lead to your people slandering the salafis even more, you now try and liken them with the shias who are possibly the worse people on earth, you continuously slander and lie and do all the harams you do best, it seems as if you're asking Allah to punish you, I hope i'm not held accountable for your slander and lies. I don't think there's a need for me to post on this forum anymore, I've come to realize that your eyes are closed and you don't want to search for the truth. You can slander me and lie about me as much as you want, I will tell Allah that I washed my hands off you and have nothing to do with your corruption. I will continuously make dua that Allah guides all of you, you have been very generous in giving me your deeds and through your deception, the doors of the sunnah have opened for me.
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super-glue
![]() ![]() 21st Sep 2011 Longevity: 0% Location: South East Posts: 192 Gender: Brother Reputation: 230 |
Assumptions and slander? Assumptions yes, which is not a judgement but an assumption. It's allowed as long as I've left a window for you to respond. Slander? I don't think I have. Eid Salaah? No idea what you're on about and if it was a personal thing then it didn't seem like that. Your approach was directly at the entire Ummah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa'ah. Since college/uni days, I've heard from Salafis: "We respect all the Madhaahib" - lol A christian preacher once said to me, "I respect Allah, the Qur'aan and Mohammed deeply" - does that make him a Muslim? How can you claim respect when you verbally spit on all the Salaf and todays scholars. You only have respect for Ibn Taymiyyah so please spare your devotion to these illusions of respect for the Madhaahib. Honestly brother, I've read the most sickening things from Salafis. From touching and reading the Qur'aan in the state of Janaabah to breastfeeding issue to make someone Mahram. The things you go on about are tiny little things which scholars have already addressed yet you go nuts on this forum with the same old stuff. It's sad to be frank.
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super-glue
![]() ![]() 21st Sep 2011 Longevity: 0% Location: South East Posts: 192 Gender: Brother Reputation: 230 |
abu mohammed wrote:
@brother Muadh, thesunnah has said they would be called fasiq.
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abu mohammed
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I still don't understand one thing, brother thesunnah. Are you salafi or hanbali because it is very confusing. My comments are regarding the salafi like the ones who criticize the imams as we saw in the link and NOT against hanbali's Also as far as I know, Shaykh Uthaymeen was a hanbali. So why do you refer to him as a salafi.
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abu mohammed
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@brother Muadh, thesunnah has said they would be called fasiq.
With all due respect, we don't know who gave the thumbs down. Like I said, someone is very confused.
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super-glue
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abu mohammed
![]() 6th Oct 2008 Longevity: 28% Location: London Posts: 8029 Gender: Brother Reputation: 1814 |
we are aware that we have kaffirs like Dr Lazarus on this site, we have anti Hadith people like adibgnail, we have those against the Quran like stopincest, we have a full range of people who come to this site. The posts marked down that are clear cut with no rant or disagreements clearly has shown the true colours of hypocrisy, lack of knowledge, lack of hikmah, lack of understanding, pure ignorance, infancy, disrespect to the salaf, disrespect to the companions, disrespect to the prophet, disrespect to the deen, disrespect to Allah, self disrespect, lack of intellect, a sealed heart, a veil over the eyes, etc etc. And we are the ones called school boys, SubhanAllah. I corrected my post and removed the name of any organisations or any street name, also to be noted is that I did not bring it into this forum. Allahu Akbar. Some one has tried hard and succeeded in becoming the lowest of the low, and like I said we can't point fingers as we don't know who it was. And to be honest, we don't want to know. If you have marked down the posts with no form of misguidance in them or no lies in them, then ask yourself something, what have you become in the site of Allah? I am hoping that it wasn't anybody who has posted on this forum, although it can only be done by members and not guests. InshaAllah, I will provide a link to such post(s) later.
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abu mohammed
![]() 6th Oct 2008 Longevity: 28% Location: London Posts: 8029 Gender: Brother Reputation: 1814 |
thesunnah wrote:
3) The salafis of leswin road
I am not the one calling the brothers Salafi, You have implied that in your posts from the very start. You have named the institutes and location, I just went by what you were saying. I was/am talking of general Salafi AKA Psuedo Salafi, or Ghair Muqallid, not the respected Hanaabil Madhab. I was under the impression that they were Hanbali and that is what it sounded like when you mentioned the respected brothers too. I am still confused about this. Are they/you Salafi or Hanbali? The people I have spoken to dont like to be called Salafi and I can understand that.
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abu mohammed
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In Salah, many people sit on their left thigh/buttoks as there is evidence regarding it being done, and then justify their act and do it in every single Salah wether they are sick, injured, weak or ill. However when this Hadith is provided, it is still ignored. www.muftisays.com/forums/the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/5098/... From the Muwatta of Imam Muhammad. Hadith number 153, page 96. Malik informed us: "Abd ar-Rahman ibn-Qasim narrated to us from Abdullah ibn Abdullah ibn Umar, that he used to see his father sit (with his buttoks) on the ground in the prayer. He said, 'So I did it, and I was then still in my youth. My father reproached me and said, "It is NOT THE Sunnah of the prayer. The Sunnah of the prayer is that you keep your right foot upright and put your left foot on its side"'" Imam Muhammad said "We Adhere to this and this is the verdict of Abu Hanifa. For the Sahabi / Tabi'een to say that it is Not Sunnah after the Prophet has passed away is enough proof. There is no need to say or ask, Is it Haram, is it Biddah etc? It is not Sunnah!
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abu mohammed
![]() 6th Oct 2008 Longevity: 28% Location: London Posts: 8029 Gender: Brother Reputation: 1814 |
"thesunnah" wrote:
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Until then, the radio transmitters and receivers are echoing the adhan beyond the mosques, offices and markets.
1) How long have the mosques (masjid quba, madinah mosque...) had radio transmitters and receivers? 2) How long have these mosques been calling two azans? 3) What is the gap between the two azans? 4) How many people come to the jumma prayer because they've heard the first azan? Jazakallah, I will try to answer 1) Allahu Alum, propbably the last ten years. (now you can hear the Adhan of Masjid e Quba Live in Makkah too; http://www.livemasjid.net/masjidequba) 2)From the very start. Preffered to Stick to the Sunnah of the Uthman RA. 3)About 10-15 Minutes (Same time it would take to get to another mosque incase they missed Salah in the one nearby, or enough time to complete Tahiyatul Wudhu, Tahiyatul Masjid and offer the 4 rakaah sunnah) 4)We are in London not the Middle East, We do not have permission to give Adhan on loud speakers yet, however I have heard it up North. Infact, Howmany people come to the Masjid because they hear any Adhan. I go by my timetable and the clock. Do you want to rephrase this question again?
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Muadh_Khan
![]() 1st Feb 2008 Longevity: 40% Location: UK Posts: 1242 Gender: Brother Reputation: 1102 |
"thesunnah" wrote:
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To give one adhan for Jummah is not haram. That is what you wanted hear. But to leave out the Sunnah of the khulaafa on a continuous basis would be going against the ijma. Hadhrat Ali RA was of the khulaafa, but the Hadith you provided was temporary. Therefore the ijma was and has been for 1400 years of the adhan of uthman ra continues.
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So if you guys find their theory in conjunction with your nafs, then so be it. You have the answer of those who go against the ijma of the ummah.
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And this is not the only place where these theories stop, there are other places where their nafs have gone against the ijma. If you want to know where, them ask. Sweet talk and theories do not hold value in the eyes of the ijma.
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Ibn Qudamah mentions in al-Mugni; “The companion of the Prophet (pbuh) used to wipe over the jawrabayn and there were no differences amongst them in that and therefore it is ijma’”
Asslamo Allaikum, Ajeeb!
You are making a mockery of the Deen of Allah (SWT). What you can’t answer are two very simple facts:
All your games whether the Sunnah of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is abrogated by the actions of Sahaba (RA) is exactly what it is ***GAMES*** Do you know more about Sunnah of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) then Sayyidina Umar (RA), Sayyidina Usman (RA), Sayyidina Ali (RA), Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn Masood (RA), Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn Abbas (RA)? As soon as I prove to you CATEGORICALLY (and I can) that I am following the Athar (Practise) of the Sahaba then EVERY ACCUSATION which you throw at me you are actually throwing at the Sahaba (RA) because they instigated it and according to Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah Wal-Jamaah they are “ADOOL” Astaghfirullahal-Adheem!!! When you are able to snap out of YOUR HATRED, you may want to think about where your accusations are being targeted at!!! It isn’t Hanafees you are HITTING DIRECTLY at the Sahaba (RA)!
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abu mohammed
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Ibn_Muhammed
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How can a difference in fiqh bring about so much dis unity amazes me.
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