"abu mohammed" wrote:
What is the rule for going against the ijma if the ummah? What are those called who go against the ijma if the ummah?
why do you keep avoiding the question? this is a sign of deception. I spoke to the brother about the ruling of the azan on jumma etc. he told me to ask you the following questions: (i'm paraphrasing the questions) 1) lets say there was ijma amongst the sahabas on this ruling (even though there are narrations of Ali doing both 1 azan and 2 azans...), the question is, does the ijma of the sahabas remove the ruling of the prophet pbuh or does it make 2 azans permissible? (just incase you don't understand the question, does the ijma of the sahaba make it impermissible to do just one azan like the azan of the Prophet pbuh, Abu Bakr and Umar? or does it just make it permissible to do 2 azans? ------ This hadith is given in the question 3540 on this website Narrated As-Saib bin Yazid: In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Bakr and Umar, the Adhan for the Jumua prayer used to be pronounced when the Imam sat on the pulpit. But during the Caliphate of 'Uthman when the Muslims increased in number, a third Adhan at Az-Zaura' was added. Abu 'Abdullah said, "Az-Zaura' is a place in the market of Madina." (Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 13, Number 35 2) why did uthman do two azans? (i'm guessing you're going to say because the ummah grew therefore an azan was needed in the market) 3) you claim to follow Uthman but you don't, you call the azan in the same building twice, you can't just take part of what Uthman did and leave the other part, if you want to follow his sunnah, then do 1 azan in the mosque and 1 outside in the market/park/road/street... so my question here is, which khalifa are you following in doing 2 azans in the same building? the brother then mentioned the following: illa/sabab (reason) is; "when its present the ruling is present and when it's absent the ruling is absent." if we say the reason he did it was because those in the market couldn't hear, than that means if they can hear, you wont go to the market to call the azan, now we're saying you can't hear the azan from outside the mosque, so why are you calling two azans? ---------------- Mashallah there are thousands of examples the hanafis accuse the salafis of doing but when the evidences are provided, the hanafis don't seem to respond, we've seen this here on this ruling and also previously when the brother gave a few evidences proving it's permissible to wipe over socks. I find it embarrassing how people hold onto their opinion blindly even when the proofs have become so clear. If you attempt to answer this, please answer it properly, you're better avoiding the questions completely than making a fool out of yourself.