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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 16:47

10OCT2018: US Global Magnitsky Act

www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act


The letter, which triggers an "investigation and Global Magnitsky sanctions determination" was penned by the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chairman Sen. Bob Corker and ranking member Sen. Bob Menendez, along with the leaders of the appropriations subcommittee for the State Department, Sen. Lindsey Graham and Democrat Sen. Patrick Leahy.

Under the terms of the Magnitsky legislation, the President can impose sanctions on individuals or countries that are deemed to have committed a human rights violation.

This leaves Trump administration little room to manoeuvre on Saudi Arabia. The media and the Americans now have excuse to go for Saudi blood and legitimately so. If MBS has actually authorised this he is the MOST STUPID person on planet Earth and his pride is worse than Fir’aun!

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 19:05
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glad you posted this as i was about to start a similar thread. from trumps recent speeches i too get the he is itching to start a war with saudi. not sure why though as saudi are such poodles. last week he openly humilated king salman about not coffing up the money ( msb the shameless dog still praised trump) and just now i was watchin al jazeerah trump repeated it again and said saudi now WILL be paying. although we already know this he also said without us saudi would of died out years ago.

what i dont understand is why is america ditching saudi? i could understand if the king or crown prince was islamic and more inclined to islam but they are shameless fools who serve the rabb of the white house rather than the Rabb of the black house ( Kabah). also what benefit will attacking saudi bring? they dont need a regime change as ale salool are in their back pocket and attacking them could leave a power vacuum allowing good muslism to take over who wont bow to USA demands.

Also on a side note i dont want to take this off topic but what is the deal with those putin loving muslims? i know there aint any imran hossain fans on here but what does he and other muslim see in him? they elevate him so much as if he is a great imam and defender of islam. is it same reason why many socialist/lefties are pro russia simple because its fun to be against america and thus anyone who is anti american is our hero?
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 21:48

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Trump is not an idealist, doesn't care about anything but he is a Narcissist. The only way to remain popular is to appeal to the Evangelical Christians. They are Pro-Israel and Anti-Islam.

Republicans are friendly to Saudi Arabia but Trump is listening to Evangelicals.

Lets see what happens in 4 weeks time after elections.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 21:54
will trump risk alienating the saudis though? all he cares about is money and saudi give usa billions. on one hand he said himself saudis money is more important than us punishin them over this alleged killing but at same time he is embarassing the regime and showing how weak they are with americas support.

also turkey and saudi dont see eye to eye lately this may lead to stand off between them as well
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 22:53

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You don't understand. Trump doesn't care about anything, he cares about being popular. He doesn't care about Saudia or Turkey or Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or anything else.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 00:13
but wouldnt losing billions of saudis money and possible arms deas harm his popularity? it will cost millions of jobs which is one of his main promises he won election on. i know he doesnt care about anything or anyone but himself but this could be an own goal. lets wait and see. saudi need a kick up the backside anyway so maybe their will be khair in it if usa ditches saudi
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 07:59
Nothing will happen. It will be business as usual.

US & #Turkey reach secret deal on Pastor Brunson. To be released in “coming days”.

His trial is tomorrow, he was imprisoned 10/2016:

This seems to be the day where secret negotiations concluded in deals with #Turkey

1-Joint investigation with Saudi on Khashoggi announced 30 min ago after secret negotiations
2-Release of Brunson imminent after secret US-Turkey talks

Jamal #Khashoggi developments:

•Turkey and Saudi agree on joint investigation
•Announcement follows secret negotiations
•Trump hinted US would send investigators
•Turkey has not accepted (yet) Trump request

US Pastor Brunson could be Freed in few hours:

•Deal negotiated by Pompeo &Bolton
•Ease Sanctions/Tariffs on #Turkey
•Comes weeks before midterms
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 09:37

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Disagree. Things have already happened.

US Aid and Arms Sales is one thing and Private investment is another. MBS needs the world and the businesses on his side to drive changes. Even if Trush & Kushner don't change (personally), the wind has already shifted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45833910

www.axios.com/report-turkey-recordings-of-saudi-journalis...

www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell...

Last year's Senate vote was defeated by just 4 votes to ban Arm Sales to Trump, do you think this time they will lose?


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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 09:40
This thread is about divergence from mainstream and bedrock US policy and Trump.
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