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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 16:47

10OCT2018: US Global Magnitsky Act

www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/13/us-global-magnitsky-act


The letter, which triggers an "investigation and Global Magnitsky sanctions determination" was penned by the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chairman Sen. Bob Corker and ranking member Sen. Bob Menendez, along with the leaders of the appropriations subcommittee for the State Department, Sen. Lindsey Graham and Democrat Sen. Patrick Leahy.

Under the terms of the Magnitsky legislation, the President can impose sanctions on individuals or countries that are deemed to have committed a human rights violation.

This leaves Trump administration little room to manoeuvre on Saudi Arabia. The media and the Americans now have excuse to go for Saudi blood and legitimately so. If MBS has actually authorised this he is the MOST STUPID person on planet Earth and his pride is worse than Fir’aun!

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 19:05
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glad you posted this as i was about to start a similar thread. from trumps recent speeches i too get the he is itching to start a war with saudi. not sure why though as saudi are such poodles. last week he openly humilated king salman about not coffing up the money ( msb the shameless dog still praised trump) and just now i was watchin al jazeerah trump repeated it again and said saudi now WILL be paying. although we already know this he also said without us saudi would of died out years ago.

what i dont understand is why is america ditching saudi? i could understand if the king or crown prince was islamic and more inclined to islam but they are shameless fools who serve the rabb of the white house rather than the Rabb of the black house ( Kabah). also what benefit will attacking saudi bring? they dont need a regime change as ale salool are in their back pocket and attacking them could leave a power vacuum allowing good muslism to take over who wont bow to USA demands.

Also on a side note i dont want to take this off topic but what is the deal with those putin loving muslims? i know there aint any imran hossain fans on here but what does he and other muslim see in him? they elevate him so much as if he is a great imam and defender of islam. is it same reason why many socialist/lefties are pro russia simple because its fun to be against america and thus anyone who is anti american is our hero?
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 21:48

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Trump is not an idealist, doesn't care about anything but he is a Narcissist. The only way to remain popular is to appeal to the Evangelical Christians. They are Pro-Israel and Anti-Islam.

Republicans are friendly to Saudi Arabia but Trump is listening to Evangelicals.

Lets see what happens in 4 weeks time after elections.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 21:54
will trump risk alienating the saudis though? all he cares about is money and saudi give usa billions. on one hand he said himself saudis money is more important than us punishin them over this alleged killing but at same time he is embarassing the regime and showing how weak they are with americas support.

also turkey and saudi dont see eye to eye lately this may lead to stand off between them as well
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2018 22:53

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You don't understand. Trump doesn't care about anything, he cares about being popular. He doesn't care about Saudia or Turkey or Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or anything else.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 00:13
but wouldnt losing billions of saudis money and possible arms deas harm his popularity? it will cost millions of jobs which is one of his main promises he won election on. i know he doesnt care about anything or anyone but himself but this could be an own goal. lets wait and see. saudi need a kick up the backside anyway so maybe their will be khair in it if usa ditches saudi
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 07:59
Nothing will happen. It will be business as usual.

US & #Turkey reach secret deal on Pastor Brunson. To be released in “coming days”.

His trial is tomorrow, he was imprisoned 10/2016:

This seems to be the day where secret negotiations concluded in deals with #Turkey

1-Joint investigation with Saudi on Khashoggi announced 30 min ago after secret negotiations
2-Release of Brunson imminent after secret US-Turkey talks

Jamal #Khashoggi developments:

•Turkey and Saudi agree on joint investigation
•Announcement follows secret negotiations
•Trump hinted US would send investigators
•Turkey has not accepted (yet) Trump request

US Pastor Brunson could be Freed in few hours:

•Deal negotiated by Pompeo &Bolton
•Ease Sanctions/Tariffs on #Turkey
•Comes weeks before midterms
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 09:37

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Disagree. Things have already happened.

US Aid and Arms Sales is one thing and Private investment is another. MBS needs the world and the businesses on his side to drive changes. Even if Trush & Kushner don't change (personally), the wind has already shifted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45833910

www.axios.com/report-turkey-recordings-of-saudi-journalis...

www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell...

Last year's Senate vote was defeated by just 4 votes to ban Arm Sales to Trump, do you think this time they will lose?


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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 12th October 2018 09:40
This thread is about divergence from mainstream and bedrock US policy and Trump.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2018 11:56

20DEC2018:


Syria conflict: Trump's withdrawal plan shocks allies

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46628811


President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw all US troops from Syria has been met with strong criticism.

Mr Trump made the announcement on Wednesday, asserting that the Islamic State (IS) group had been defeated.

But major allies, including senior Republicans and foreign powers, have disputed the claim and say the move could lead to a resurgence of IS.

US troops have helped rid much of Syria's north-east of the jihadist group, but pockets of fighters remain.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who is one of Mr Trump's supporters, called the withdrawal decision a "huge Obama-like mistake".

And the UK government pushed back on the president's assurance that IS had now been defeated.

The Pentagon said it was transitioning to the "next phase of the campaign" to eliminate IS but did not provide further details.

President Trump, who has long promised to pull American troops out of Syria, said on Twitter that it was time to bring them home after their "historic victories".

The White House would not give a timescale for the withdrawal but defence officials quoted by the New York Times said President Trump wanted it done within 30 days.

What has the reaction been?

Senator Graham, who sits on the armed services committee, warned that the withdrawal would have "devastating consequences" both in Syria and beyond.

He said that he feared it would mean ceding influence in the region to Russia and Iran.

"An American withdrawal at this time would be a big win for ISIS [IS], Iran, Bashar al-Assad of Syria, and Russia," he said in a statement.

Meanwhile, the UK government distanced itself from President Trump's assertion that IS had now been defeated.

"Much remains to be done and we must not lose sight of the threat they pose," a statement from the Foreign Office said.

Israel said it had been told the US had "other ways to have influence in the area" but would "study the timeline [of the withdrawal], how it will be done and of course the implications for us".

Striking a different tone, Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the US decision could result in "genuine, real prospects for a political settlement" in Syria.

A spokesman for Kurdish-led authorities in north-eastern Syria, Aldar Xelil, said no-one was yet clear on details of the withdrawal "including US commanders here"

However, the US decision would have an impact on the entire region, he told Ronahi TV.

21DEC2018:


President Trump 'to pull thousands of troops' from Afghanistan

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46643500

The Trump administration is planning to withdraw thousands of troops from Afghanistan, US media say.

Reports, citing unnamed officials, say about 7,000 troops - roughly half the remaining US military presence in the country - could go home within months.

The reports come a day after the president announced the country's military withdrawal from Syria.

Earlier on Thursday, Mr Trump's Defence Secretary Jim Mattis announced his resignation from his post.

Reports about the sharp reduction of forces emerged on Thursday, but have not been confirmed by US defence officials.

Analysts have warned that a withdrawal could have a "devastating" impact and offer Taliban militants a propaganda victory.

A Taliban official told AFP news agency: "Frankly speaking, we weren't expecting that immediate US response... we are more than happy."

The Taliban - a hardline Islamist movement that carries out frequent suicide bombings and attacks against government and military targets - is active in much of Afghanistan.

They ruled Afghanistan from 1996-2001, imposing a brutal version of Sharia law, including public executions and amputations, and banned women from public life.


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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd December 2018 22:05
after the advice of sipraomer and others i decided to listen to some old mufti abdur rahman talks on sign of fianl hour and he mentioned leading up to the arrival of mahdi, the turks will fight the romans and lose. he mentioned also that the romans here refers to the Caucasians. will this new development lead turkey to have a conflict with russia or usa? i know they dont really like erdogran
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 20th January 2019 22:54
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