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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th October 2017 11:36

Richard E. Gallagher, M.D.

A board-certified psychiatrist in private practice in Hawthorne, New York, and Associate Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at New York Medical College. He is also on the faculties of the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Institute and a Roman Catholic seminary. He is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, magna cum laude in Classics, and trained in Psychiatry at the Yale University School of Medicine. Dr. Gallagher is the only American psychiatrist to have been a consistent U.S. delegate to the International Association of Exorcists, and has addressed its plenary session.

Amid widespread confusion and skepticism about the subject, the chief goal of this article is to document a contemporary and clear-cut case of demonic possession. Even those who doubt such a phenomenon exists may find the following example rather persuasive. For clergy, or indeed anyone involved in the spiritual or psychological care of others, it is equally critical, however, to recognize the many and infinitely more common "counterfeits" (i.e., false assignations) of demonic influence or attack as well.

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Among the Many Counterfeits, a Case of Demonic Possession

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(Dr) Mufti Abdur-Rahman Mangera (HA)

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 14:57

Humans are composed of physical body and a soul. When you are affected by Jinn or Black Magic you will have two separate effects on yourself.

  1. Physical Effects: You may suffer from physical ailments and symptoms e.g. weight loss, Diarrhoea, trouble concentrating, memory loss etc. Medications which affect a non-suffering patient will equally affect you e.g. during a severe episode a powerful sedative or injection will knock you unconscious or make you drowsy. Over the counter medications will affect you and many patients take medications.
  2. Spiritual Effects: You may have nightmares etc. Your physical medications can suppress some of these. I know patients who take heavy sedatives and prescription tranquilisers which you knock you out and you will sleep like a baby. You may have also hear voices, things may touch you etc. and everybody else in the room will not notice it. You can even have a 24/7 CCTV Camera and play it back and there will be nothing!

Common Symptoms:

You may experience some or all of them regardless of whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian or Atheist

  1. Disturbed Sleep
  2. Nightmares
  3. Inability to concentrate
  4. Irritation
  5. Anger/Mood Swings
  6. Unexplained phsyical health issues

Common Treatment:

This may help your symptoms regardless of whether you are Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian or Atheist

  1. Take showers and stay super-clean
  2. Ensure that your clothes are super-clean
  3. Start working out and build up to intense Cardio workouts
  4. Change your diet and use healthy diet
  5. Don't drink a lot of water between sunset and sleep
  6. Stay extremely fragrant
  7. Use Incense or strong oils in the House
  8. Listen to Qur'aan on headphones (as loud as possible) and as often as possible
  9. Don't stay alone
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 15:11

Personal Ijtehaad:

A patient under the influence of Jinn/Black Magic often behaves exactly the same way as someone who is drunk or under the influence of drugs. When a person become sober many times they have limited or no memory of what happens to them during a particular timeframe.

We also know that Shaytaan runs in your blood and has access to your bloodstream.

Therefore it is my personal opinion that if there were Muslim Health professionals looking into this OR maybe someday we will discover a blood test for people who are afflicted. It makes logical sense after studying and looking at the the symptoms of these patients.

Those who are in the fields of exorcism (or whatever you want to call it), rely on tell-tale symptoms and it varies from person to person. I have a strong feeling that there must be tests we can run (may be in the future) and make conclusive remarks.   
 

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 17:13
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(salam)

Interesting suggestion.. :-)

Most of those patients arriving with abnormal/ altered behavior are subjected to lab checks to rule out substance abuse, medical conditions which cause depressive symptoms etc..

let alone Sihr / Psychiatry, many poor chaps are brought in with unusual allegations..

once i came across a bed in the ED with a 'Psychiatry' board attached outside the curtain.. out of curiosity i took his file wherein was written " he was found telling about his religion to other people". That sounded weird and i stepped in to see an old Arab man.. asked him what happened.. said he was only telling others about Bangladesh ijtema and they brought him here !!

Few months back they brought a young Yemeni student with abnormal behavior.. i dont know what happened to him.. the moment he saw me, held my hand tightly and placed it over his head.. saying Ya Shaikh iam afflicted with Sihr do something.. do something.. Seriously i felt bad that day.. i told him iam not a shaikh and could not do anything..

(even if i wanted to do dam or give him water i could not since i was surrounded by nurses etc)


we definitely need good Amils.. but to find a lab test ruling out sihr seems far away.. since we are quite behind even at diagnosing mental health disorders by lab tests..

wa Assalam..
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 17:39
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One can consider ‘sihr’ in such cases by a process of exclusion,meaning by ruling out all the physical causes,electrolyte disturbances and ‘set’ psychiatric patterns. Indeed it is difficult,costly and time consuming and in the end we may still be unsure...

It is a good research topic though...
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 17:45
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True..
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th March 2018 18:13
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As an after thought...

Doctors do differentiate between ‘seizures’ and ‘pseudo-seizures’ by checking planters after seizure (up going in true seizures and normal in pseudo-seizures) and looking for raised serum lactate
(high in true seizures and normal in pseudo). A person afflicted by sihr or Jin May also have fits but here serum lactate is more likely to be high as well because the one possessed by Jin is not faking it,hence he does get muscle injury and therefore raised serum lactate...

I don’t know if the planters will be up going or not ? Any experience of it doctor sb ?

Similarly it will be interesting to know if the EEG (electroencephalography) show any specific changes in those possessed by Jin ? I have a feeling that EEG might give us a clue once the doctors start looking for Jin signs in it.

Sihr,on the other hand,classically affects “imagination” ( مخیّلہ) hence I don’t expect any physical evidence of it
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 6th March 2018 10:00

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Lab tests are only good if you know what you are looking for. Generally, most Doctors don't believe in Sihr/Jinn etc so they don't look for it. Dr76 is right that we are too far away from any sort of tests

I don't know what we should be looking for but a lot of patients have no seizures.
 

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 6th July 2018 10:46

What should you do?

I have experienced Muslims running from person to person for over 3 decades on “assumed” problems with black Magic, Jinn possession. The issue is our time has become endemic because there are YouTube videos of people taking out Jinns (women speaking in strange voices etc).

Let me talk to you straight as I am overwhelmed with emails, messages on this topic.

Jinns are real, Black Magic is real and Nadhar is real! However the Power of Allah Ta’ala triumphs over all evil. When you go from one person to person your belief shifts from Allah Ta’ala TO specific people who can provide you the cure.

Then you get disappointed and lose hope and it gets worse and worse. I have seen enough people lose HOPE and then leave Islam and still not get cured at all.

A vast number of people have mental Health problems, they may also have possession issues (in addition) OR may have none. Take mental Health seriously!

Only Allah Ta’ala has knowledge of the unseen, there is NOBODY on this planet who can tell you that you have been affected by Jinns/Black Magic etc for sure and it is their BEST GUESS. When anyone gives you very specific information that your Aunty has done Black Magic on you etc, it’s time for you to disconnect and move on because there is NO WAY they can tell you that.

Even when you are affected by Jinn/Black Magic you can still manage to live with your symptoms and manage yourself. It is NOT the end of the world, the end of the world is you losing hope and getting disheartened.

Allah Ta’ala is testing you, turn to Allah Ta’ala in devotion, cry to Allah Ta’ala, make Dua to Allah Ta’ala and be patient. 

Rely upon Allah Ta’ala.

[65:3]...And whoever relies upon Allah - then He is sufficient for him...

Treatment?

Qur'aan and loads of sincere Duas.

Patience?

Finally, a question is then put to me that I have been patient for 10 years, how long more? Your job is to be patient and make Dua and be a servant of Allah Ta’ala.

Being patient is not about being passive or submissive, it is about being actively submitting in servitude to Allah Ta'ala.

 
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