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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 07:28
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Mufti Sahib, is it the one available here?
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 11:03

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There is a difference in fazail e a'amal and targheeb o tarheeb.


The word Fazail A'mal among ulama and fuqaha is used when a particular deed isn't proven from Nass e Sahih or Hassan, but that deed and its fazeelat is mentioned is some Za'eef hadees and fuqaha and ulama call that deed as mustahab based on that za'eef hadees while taking care of the (predifined) conditions to quote zaeef hadees.


The word Targheeb o Tarheeb is used when that act is proven from Quran or Saheeh/Hassan Hadees, and in some zaeef hadees promise of some particular sawaab/ajr and waeed on not doing it is mentioned. So ahl e ilm hold it ja'iz in this case to quote zaeef to zaeef (extremely weak) hadees without taking care of these conditions. Because the actual deed is proven by Quran and Sahih/hassan hadees, and this hadees isn't trying toa add/prove any new act.

Source: Fazail Amal Par Etirazat, Ek Usuli Jaizah

So same is the case here. The Hadees might be extremely, or may be ultra weak, but according to above principle and in light of what is written by the brother Muadh below, it would not be a big issue if Shaykh RhA has quoted this hadees.

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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 16:10
I have sent an e-mail to Moulana Mohammad Absoomar to seek clarification.

The very last statement "The narration should therefore not be quoted." pretty sums it up for me that it can't quote unconditionally, but I could be wrong.

I'll post the reply if/once I get it.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 16:35
Just when you think it's all over!

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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 20:32
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Yes that's the one. The team for assisting the whole project had myself too, and Mufti Zakariyya Ashraf (the author) is a very close friend.
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 20:58
Some people are suggesting that we should be more focused on our weak emaan, rather than discussing weak ahadeeth. I disagree!

Discussing a fabricated hadeeth, and making an effort to stop lying upon Rasoolullah (SAWW) is equally important. No matter how much you focus on weak emaan, attributing a lie to Rasoolullah (SAWW) will destroy your emaan in any case!

This is again a typical tableeghi mentality which needs to be changed.

Also, indulging in academic discussions (with an intention of reforming yourself) carries more reward and sawab then indulging in nafl ibadaah.

Allah knows best.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 24th June 2016 23:30

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Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!

Alhamdulillah! We tableeghis, due to our respected scholars feel very safe.

Hazrat g! You along with team knew that this book is read by millions of tableeghis in daily ta'aleem. They quote ahadees from it, as it's their course book. You and others knew, if any fabricated hadees is present in fadhail e a'maal, but still didn't put any hashia on that telling that this shouldn't be read or qouted. This means that the team was satisfied with the status of ahadees in the book in this regard.

Darulifta Darululoom deoband in multiple fatawas clearly states that there isn't a single fabricated hadees in fadhaile a'amal and anyone who says that it has is lying and doing propaganda.

So tableeghis are very safe, alhamdulillah. As their syllabus is testified by a lot of scholars (including you) of today. If asked on the day of judgement we shall tell about this attestation of our scholars.

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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 01:23
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Mufti Saheb.

I really admire you for this post. Many other Deobandi/Tablighi enthusiast get quite emotional when you cast doubts even on one narration in Fadhail E Amal, and don't realise the classification of Muhadithun from the past also has to be taken into consideration.

I look forward to the revised version of Fadhail E Amal. Please do share updates with us as you make progress, Insh'Allah.

Jazak'Allah.
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 12:28
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HAdrat what is the takhrij of the hadith mentioned by you about the hadith i mentioned here? It only mentions that it is in shuabul iman and thats all. It doesnt say anything about the grading of the hadith.
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 12:30
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They will never be able to produce any single chain of the 1 huqba hadith. THey will copy paste 6-7 different things but never will be able to quote a single chain as it was claimed as a hadith in fauaile amal. THere are few more narrations present which are completely chainless.
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 13:18
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 13:21
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Wa Alaikum Us Salam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu!

I don't get it, what is the issue here?

I have stated clearly, that my posts are not directed towards Fazail e Amaal or Hazrat Shaykul Hadeeth (RA). I am talking about an overall attitude amongst the Sufis and tableeghis.

No need to post any fatwa from Darul Uloom Deoband or any other place, I have been doing the same for the last 16 years, day in and day out!
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 13:57

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Sorry Mufti sahb if I have offended you. I didn't mean any offence. Actually everyone here is taking your posts in the context of Fazail e A'mal and Sh Zakaria Rh.

I again apologize.

Jazakumullah.

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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 14:02
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can you please type the chain of the hadith here? jazakallah.
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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 25th June 2016 19:58
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Oh no dear brother, no need to apologize.

I am also sorry if I came across as rude.

Please carry on the good work, and I appreciate your other thread about Fazail e Amal and what the ulema say about it.
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