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#182 [Permalink] Posted on 11th August 2017 16:49
Stung by Ansari’s Observations, Modi and BJP Take Potshots at Outgoing VP

By Ajoy Ashirwad Mahaprashasta on 11/08/2017 • 1 comment
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‘You spent most of your time in West Asia, in that single circle, that way of thinking, among those people. After retirement, be it in the minorities commission or Aligarh Muslim University, your circle remained the same.’

File photos of Hamid Ansari (left); Narendra Modi (right). Credit: Reuters/PTI

New Delhi: His tenure was distinguished and the time he spent in office is matched only by S. Radhakrishnan but Mohammad Hamid Ansari will probably go down in the history books as the vice-president who received the bitterest of farewells from a sitting government.

Visibly upset by the remarks Ansari made in a farewell interview, the BJP on Thursday threw caution and propriety to the wind, getting senior leader Kailash Vjayvargia to attack the outgoing vice president, while Prime Minister Narendra Modi also took a dig at him on the floor of the Rajya Sabha.

In between, the party got M. Venkaiah Naidu, who took over from Ansari at the stroke of midnight on August 11, to accuse him of trying to “defame India” – an incredible charge to level against a man who held one of the country’s highest constitutional posts for a full decade.

‘Confined to a circle’

Sheathing his attack behind words that appeared to convey his best wishes to the outgoing vice-president, Modi presented Ansari as someone with family ties to the Congress party and the Khilafat movement whose prior experience, beliefs and associations were essentially limited to Muslim preoccupations – the prime minister didn’t use the M word though the implication was unambiguous. In Modi’s telling, Ansari, who had got used to working within a certain “circle” was then forced to adjust himself to the dictates of the constitution while in the vice president’s chair. “That must have made you restless but from now on you are free to think and say what you really feel,” he said.

With these words, Modi joined his party colleagues – and an army of right-wing social media trolls – in delegitimising the observations Ansari had made in a lengthy interview to Karan Thapar on Rajya Sabha TV about the manner in which the Indian value system was being undermined by those questioning the patriotism and Indianness of some citizens and making Muslims feel insecure. On Twitter, Ansari’s remarks were dismissed as the observations of “an ungrateful Muslim”; in parliament, Modi helped the rabble outside connect the dots, as it were, between the expression of what the vice president “really feels” and the “circle” he allegedly remains confined to.

Modi started by recounting a version of Ansari’s family history:

Ek aisa parivar jiska karib 100 saal ka itihaas sarvajanik jeevan ka raha. Unke nana, unke dada kabhi rashtriya party ke adhyaksha rahe, kabhi samvidhan sabha mein rahe. Ek prakar se us parivar ke prustbhumi se aate hai jinke purvajon ka sarvajanik jivan mein, vishesh kar congress ke jivan ke saath aur kabhi khilafat movement ke saath bhi kaafi kuch sakriyata rahi.

(A family that has almost 100 years of history of public service. His grandfathers served as the chief of a national party, and also in the constituent assembly. In one way, he comes from a family, the ancestors of which had a public life, especially with with the Congress party; his family was also active in its support for the Khilafat movement.)

Considering that in today’s context the Khilafat movement – an anti-colonial agitation of the early 1920s aimed at preserving the authority of the Ottoman rulers in the face of British efforts to dismantle the Turkish empire – is nothing but a sideshow in the wider Indian freedom struggle, Modi’s decision to speak of it was perhaps driven by its Islamic resonance.

Modi then paid a backhanded compliment to Ansari’s skills as a “career diplomat”. These skills helped him run the Rajya Sabha but it also made it difficult for others to read his mind:

Aapka apna jivan bhi ek career diplomat ka raha. Ab career diplomat kya hota hai woh mujhe pradhan mantri banne ke baad hi samajh mein aaya. Kyonki unke hansne ka arth kya hota hai, unke haath milane ke tarike ka arth kya hota hai, woh toh turant samajh nahin aata hai. Unki training wohi hoti hai. Aur lekin us kaushalya ka upyog yeh 10 saal zaroor hua hoga aapko. Ki sabko sambhalne mein us kaushalya ne kis prakaar se laabh is sadan ko pahunchaya hoga

(Your life was that of a career diplomat. I understood what being a career diplomat means only after becoming the prime minister. Because the way they smile, they way they shake their hands has a meaning which a novice may not understand immediately. They are trained to do that. But that skill must have been useful for you in the last 10 years. Your skill must have benefitted the house and in trying to managing contrarian voices in it.)

From here on, the prime minister’s ‘humour’ made way for a less benign kind of stereotyping:

Aapke karyakaal ka bahut saara hissa West Asia se juda raha hai. Usi dayere mein zindagi ke bahut varsh aapke gaye, usi mahaul mein, usi soch mein, aise logon ke beech mein rahe. Wahan se retire hone ke baad bhi jyadatar kaam wohi raha aapka; Minorities Commission ho yah Aligarh Muslim University ho, zyadatar dayara aapka wohi raha.

Lekin yeh 10 saal puri tarah ek alaga zimma aapka sar mein aaya. Puri tarah ek ek pal samvidhan samvidhan samvidhan ke hi dayere mein chalana. Aur aapne usko bakhubi nibhaane ka bharpur prayaas kiya. Ho sakta hai kuch chatpatahat rahi hogi bhitar aapke andar bhi. Magar aaj ke baad shayad woh sankat bhi nahin rahega. Mukti ka anand bhi rahega aur apni mulbhut jo soch rahi hogi uske anusaar aapko karya karne ka, sochne ka, baat batane ka awsar bhi milega.

(In your career as a diplomat, you spent most of your time in West Asia. You spent most of your life in that single circle, that environment, that way of thinking, among those people. Even after retirement, your work was similar, be it in the minorities commission or Aligarh Muslim University. More or less, your circle remained the same.

But in the last 10 years, you had a different responsibility. Every minute, you had to work within the limitation of the constitution. And you worked to the best of your abilities. It is possible that you must have encountered restlessness in the process. But after today, you will not have to face even that dilemma. You will experience freedom and will be able to work, speak, and think according to what you really feel.)

Given that Ansari’s last posting as a career diplomat was as India’s permanent representative to the United Nations and that he had also served as India’s envoy to Australia and Afghanistan, Modi’s decision to confine his diplomatic career to the ‘dayra’ or ‘circle’ of “West Asia” is a little odd. Besides, Iran and Saudi Arabia – two major West Asian nations at odds with each other where Ansari did represent India – can hardly be said to have the same ‘mahaul’ (atmosphere), or ‘soch’ (thinking) or ‘log’ (people). As someone who prides himself in his knowledge of foreign policy, Modi must surely know this. Unless, of course, the idea was to reinforce in the minds of listeners the fact that Ansari is a Muslim and to connect ‘West Asia’ – “those people”, “that way of thinking” – to the minorities commission and AMU, institutions the BJP has always considered illegitimate and which his government is today trying to devalue.

The previous night, Ansari in a restrained interview (the transcript of which was made available before the actual telecast) had spoken about the growing sense of insecurity and alienation among Indian Muslims in the present day political climate. He also said the repeated or enforced assertion of nationalism was unnecessary, stressing the values of pluralism and diversity that have traditionally formed the bedrock of Indian nationalism. He pointedly refrained from criticising the prime minister or his government.

Despite the very careful manner in which he chose his words. the outgoing vice-president’s views proved to be so embarrassing for the BJP that the prime minister felt compelled to launch his thinly-veiled attack on Ansari.

‘Trying to defame India’

While Modi, a skilled orator, made sure his jibes remained within parliamentary limits, his party did not feel the need to do so. In fact, in what appears to be a concerted, malicious campaign against Ansari, many BJP leaders, including the new vice-president, did not feel the need to hold back.

A day before assuming office, M.Venkaiah Naidu, in an apparent dig at Ansari told ANI, “People try to use minority issues for political purposes…India is the most tolerant country…Unfortunately, some people are trying to blow it out of proportion and trying to defame India, raising it to national forum.”

Naidu was not alone. BJP general secretary Kailash Vijayvargiya went a step further and called Ansari’s comments “petty”. He even accused him of seeking “political shelter” after his retirement.

“I condemn his comments. He has made political comments as he is retiring. He is still a vice-president and such comments do not suit his office’s dignity. It seems he is making such comments to find political shelter after retirement…Nobody expects such petty comments from a person holding such a high post,” said Vijayvargiya.

What Vijayvargiya mentioned as “comments” was in fact a free-flowing discussion on a range of topics about Indian polity and society in which Ansari clearly comes across as a liberal democrat, critical equally of what he thinks as regressive social customs across all religions and advocating a judicious mix of tradition and modernity.

Echoing Vijayvargia’s sentiment, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad – an ideological associate of the BJP – also launched a scathing attack against Ansari, equating him with Mohammad Ali Jinnah and accusing him of trying “to push country towards another partition.” The VHP’s joint general secretary, Surendra Jain, felt that Ansari commented about the sense of insecurity among Muslims only to set his “political agenda” for the future, and not because violence against Muslims is on the rise under Modi’s regime.

An organised effort by the Sangh parivar to vilify Ansari and further cement its majoritarian political rhetoric is underway on social media.

In contrast to this aggressive pitch of the BJP machinery, Ansari left the house in his usual statesman-like, dignified demeanour. Beginning his farewell speech with a Urdu couplet, “Mujhpe ilzaam itne lagaye gaye, begunaahi ke andaz jaate rahe (So much was I accused that ways to prove my innocence deserted me), he first thanked everybody and then went on to highlight the role of Rajya Sabha in Indian democracy.

“…This house is a creation of the constitution and reflective of the wisdom and foresight of the founding fathers who wished it to portray India’s diversity and to be a calibrated restraint on hasty legislations. It has upheld democracy’s sacred creed that discussion instead of being a stumbling block in the way of action is in fact an indispensable preliminary to wise action. Deviation from this golden rule contribute neither to diligent policy making nor to our claim to be a mature democracy based on rule of law.”

Ansari went on to quote India’s second president S. Radhakrishnan, “A democracy is distinguished by the protection it gives to minorities. A democracy is likely to degenerate into a tyranny if it does not allow the opposition groups to criticise freely and frankly the policies of the government.”

Perhaps Radhakrishnan’s political and intellectual lineage will now be scrutinised.

Note: This article has been edited to specify that Hamid Ansari’s last posting as a career diplomat was as India’s ambassador to the UN. After retiring from the Indian Foreign Service in 1995, he was appointed India’s ambassador to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

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#183 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2017 06:17
Interview of Outgoing Vice President of India M. Hamid Ansari


Asserting Your Nationalism Day In, Day Out Is Unnecessary: Hamid Ansari
By Karan Thapar on 09/08/2017

In conversation with Karan Thapar on his last day as vice president, Hamid Ansari talked about growing intolerance, aggressive nationalism, the government’s political inaction on Kashmir and more.



In a free-wheeling conversation with Karan Thapar for Rajya Sabha TV, outgoing vice president Hamid Ansari, on his last day in office, talked about a range of problems afflicting Indian society. From showing concern about the ever-escalating violence against minorities in the name of cow protection to a renewed assertion of majoritarian-cultural nationalism, he expressed his fears about the direction that Indian society has taken.

Ansari said that he has had numerous conversations with Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his cabinet regarding the increasing incidents of violence but also indicated a lack of seriousness on the part of the prime minister and his cabinet to control the volatile situation at hand.

“Well, there is always an explanation and there is always a reason. Now it is a matter of judgement, whether you accept the explanation, you accept the reasoning and its rationale,” said Ansari on how his concerns were addressed by the Modi government.

Stressing on the point that India has been a plural society for centuries, and not just the past 70 years, he said that many recent developments in India – like the judicial decisions to impose the national anthem and the national song or a concerted attack on minorities leading to a growing sense of insecurity among Muslims – reflect the prevailing atmosphere in society. The cultural aggression and arrogant nationalism, he said, has arisen from a a deep sense of insecurity and may be detrimental to India’s future. “This propensity to be able to assert your nationalism day in and day out is unnecessary,” he said.

He added that while tolerance to different cultures and religions is a “good virtue”, it may not be a “sufficient” virtue and that India needs to “take the next step and go from tolerance to acceptance.”

Indirectly criticising the largely militaristic approach of the Modi government to resolve the Kashmir impasse, he said that the “(Kashmir) problem is and has always been primarily a political problem. And it has to be addressed politically.” He added that his impression is that politicians today are ducking the actual issues in Kashmir.

Again, differing from the Union government, which is aggressively pursuing the courts to ban the practice of triple talaq among Muslims, he said that judicial intervening in the matter is unnecessary and that reform should come from within the community. “Firstly, it (triple talaq) is a social aberration, it is not a religious requirement. The religious requirement is crystal clear, emphatic, there are no two views about it but patriarchy, social customs have all crept into it to create a situation which is highly undesirable… the people have to understand the basics of the faith, what has happened is that the tradition has overtaken the essentials of faith..,” he said.

He further talked about his tenure as vice president and chairperson of the Rajya Sabha, and his relationships with current political dispensation, and urged governments to nominate only serious members to the Rajya Sabha.

The full text of the interview, which will be telecast on Rajya Sabha TV at 8 pm on August 10, is below, with sub-headings added by The Wire.

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Karan Thapar: Hello and welcome to a very special interview on Rajya Sabha TV. Today is Hamid Ansari’s last day as vice president of India. He’s held the job for ten years – no one has held it longer – and only one of his predecessors, Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, has held it for as long.

Before he became vice president, Mr Ansari was India’s ambassador to Afghanistan and Iran, to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. He was also high commissioner to Australia as well as India’s permanent representative to United Nations in New York.

Mr Ansari has also been chairman of the National Commission for Minorities as well as vice chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University.

Today, in this exclusive interview, Mr Ansari will look back on his career and, in particular, on his ten years as vice president as well as the chairmanship of the Rajya Sabha that went with that job. And I’ve been told that Mr Ansari is happy for me to ask him any question I want.

KT: Mr Vice President, let me start with a rather unusual question – you were born on April Fool’s day in 1937. Is that the secret of your success?

Hamid Ansari: Well most of my life I got away without having to give a birthday party. And that tradition was broken only on my first birthday in this House, when a message came in the morning that Dr and Mrs Manmohan Singh would wish to come and wish you happy birthday. I couldn’t say no to that!

The restrictions that come with being VP

KT: Now, you’ve spent ten years as vice president, and as I said, no one has spent more time as vice president than that – what did it mean to you, a career diplomat, to be vice president of India?

HA: Well, I said right in the beginning that every citizen is in a sense, a political creature. But being in the thick of things was a new experience, a novel experience.

KT: Did the protocol, did the prestige become inhibiting for someone who was quite a free bird? Or was it something that you were to accustomed to as a high commissioner and as an ambassador?

HA: Well, yes but it was a different kind of constraint which one went through as the representative of the country. This was a different kind of thing – there were constraints on movement and things like that for understandable reasons. One had to live with it.

KT: Was it exciting and fun or was it at times intimidating and restrictive as well?

HA: Well, not intimidating, but restrictive – yes!

KT: In other words, you couldn’t do half the things that you would have liked to do because your position simply didn’t permit it.

HA: Couldn’t walk down Chandni Chowk.

Disrupted institutions

KT: And a couple of other things that I suppose, we shouldn’t mention…Let me put it like this, as vice president you’ve had this unique and privileged vantage point to look at the functioning of the Indian political system. This is also the 70th year of our independence – has our political system functioned effectively and smoothly? Or is it often dysfunctional and perhaps disruptive?

HA: It is both. It has been both. Two things have happened. Over a period of 70 years, democracy has deepened in the country. There’s much greater voter participation, much greater public interest in what is happening in the political field. On the other hand, the functioning of political institutions in the country at various levels, is not at its best.

KT: And is that because of an individual responsibility, presumably it must be?

HA: Well, collectively, yes. Not individually, but collectively.

KT: So, has the quality of the people who man institutions deteriorated, as the institutions themselves have become more established?

HA: No, the quality has not deteriorated but the mannerisms have changed. I mean, you could not imagine, for example, in early/mid 50s or even in 60s, disruptions of the kind that take place in the House today.

The president-VP relationship

KT: I want very much to talk to you about the functioning of the Upper House and your role as chairman of the Rajya Sabha, but I’ll come to that in a moment’s time. Let us first talk about your experiences as vice president. You served as vice president under two very different presidents – Pratibha Patil for five years and Pranab Mukherjee for five. How did they compare with each other?

HA: No, that wouldn’t be a fair thing to do. I think each individual, as the head of the republic, has his or her own way of doing things. And, frankly speaking, the vice president has only a kind of ceremonial relationship with the presidentship of the country.

KT: In other words, you have to fit in where there is room?

HA: Yes…I mean there are a lot of ceremonial functions in which you are together – you are invited to Rashtrapati Bhavan – I would go and periodically chat with the presidents on matters of interest or general matters.

KT: Did you find that your role as vice president changed because of the nature of character of the president who was present?

HA: Well, subjects change…of course. With President Mukherjee one could go over the whole history of modern Indian democracy. With Pratibhaji, it was a different kind of conversation.

KT: Because their personalities and their interests were different?

HA: Yes, yes.

KT: You also have served for just over two weeks with the new president – President Kovind. How has he started? What sort of start has he had?

HA: Well, I had the benefit of knowing President Kovind before he became president. Because as governor of Bihar, there were several occasions on which I visited Patna and we had good conversations.

KT: Is he an easy person to get on with?

HA: Oh yes, oh yes.

KT: So there was a relationship with him, that in a sense, you might not have had with Pratibha Patil and Pranab Mukherjee, because you knew him before he became president.

HA: No…I knew President Mukherjee well before that – as a minister in the government of Indiraji, and much later as the minister in the government of Mr Narasimha Rao. I was PR in New York when he came as a minister of external affairs.

KT: And these friendships, these relationships make a difference to the role?

HA: Obviously, obviously.

Narendra Modi and Manmohan Singh

KT: You were also vice president between two very different prime ministerships. There was Manmohan Singh to begin with and Narendra Modi thereafter. Both men, we all know, are very different. Are there senses in which they are similar, which you may be aware of but the audience perhaps doesn’t know?

HA: I think that would require a little time to dilate on.

KT: Because you can’t say…

HA: Because the personalities are very different. The functioning styles are very different. Now, you may find common points in their functioning styles. Personalities are obvious to everyone, I don’t have to talk about it.

KT: Does the vice president have a fairly close relationship with the prime minister of the day? Or is it a very formal one?

HA: It’s most of the time a formal relationship but there are occasions when there are very serious conversations.

KT: You mentioned that on your first birthday as vice president, Dr Manmohan Singh and his wife came over to wish you. I imagine you’ve had three birthdays after Mr Modi took over. Has Mr Modi been to wish you regularly?

HA: Regularly yes. I think the last occasion he was away he sent a message. But first two occasions, yes.

KT: He was there.

HA: Yes, he did, yes.

Ram Madhav’s public criticism

KT: Now one of the things that has happened and attracted enormous attention, because it is something that has never happened before, was in 2015 when a senior leader of the BJP, he was general secretary then, he still is general secretary now, Ram Madhav tweeted in public criticising your behaviour as vice president. He said that you had deliberately not participated in Yoga Day functions that year. And he also added that Rajya Sabha TV, which falls under your charge, hadn’t covered the event. Now, I know that Mr Madhav both apologised and deleted the tweets but as I said that never before has the general secretary of a ruling party publicly questioned, leave aside criticised, the vice president. Were you surprised and taken aback by that?

HA: Surprised yes, because the facts were well known and very clear, and there were my colleagues in office who put the public wise to it very quickly. There was no ambiguity, there was no confusion.

KT: Were you upset that this had happened?

HA: Not really.

KT: Because it was a breach of protocols to say the least?

HA: Well yes, but protocol is breached from time to time.

KT: Did you take up the matter with the prime minister?

HA: No.

KT: So, in other words, you deliberately and consciously chose to forget it and let it go?

HA: Not forget. It was absurd to begin with and I left it at that.

KT: Did the gentlemen ever personally apologise or personally explained what he had done?

HA: Let’s not talk about that.

Violence against Africans in India

KT: Something else that you did when you were vice president was to travel extensively in Africa. In the last five years alone you have travelled to ten different countries. But many of those visits happened at a time when the number of attacks on Africans in India was steadily growing – each attack seemed to be worse than the last and it was creating enormous concern particularly amongst the African ambassadors who publicly commented with anger.

HA: Yes.

KT: Did the heads of states you visited bring up this matter?

HA: Not that I recollect. No.

KT: So they were diplomatic enough not to touch on a subject that could have been awkward for you to handle?

HA: Well, yes, but they did not touch upon it. We had very good conversations in each one of those visits. And given the totality of the Indo-African relationship and the background to that relationship, my wife and I were very well received in each one of those countries.

KT: Now, the official position of the government of India articulated by the spokesperson of the MEA and the foreign minister was that these are not racist attacks but the African ambassadors angrily dissented, they did so publicly, and large sections of the media was convinced that this was racism. As someone who was an intelligent observer, although watching from behind the vice president’s house, what was your opinion? Was this an instance of Indian racism or simply law and order?

HA: Well, it is scandalous to begin with. It was the failure of law and order and it was the failure of public behaviour. There can’t be two views on a situation like this wherever it takes place, anywhere it takes place.

KT: So, was the official response the right one or should they have been more willing to accept that this is more than just law and order?

HA: Could have been more forthcoming.

KT: They could have and should have been more forthcoming.

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Hamid Ansari with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Deputy Chairman PJ Kurien and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley at an all-party meeting ahead of the budget session at Parliament House. Credit: PTI/Files

Hamid Ansari with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Deputy Chairman PJ Kurien and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley at an all-party meeting ahead of the budget session at Parliament House. Credit: PTI/Files

Growing intolerance in India

KT: That’s a very important point you have said. I want to use this moment, Mr Vice President to talk about the general situation in the country today because I know it is one that concerns large sections of the country. Hardly a day goes by without us reading about cow vigilante attacks, earlier we read about lynchings, we have read about beef bans, people who refuse to say ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ have been publicly told that they should leave the country, there have been accusations of love jihad, ghar wapsi campaigns and even killings of rationalists. How do you view all of this? Sitting in this house, how did you view all of this?

HA: Breakdown of Indian values, breakdown of the ability of the authorities at different levels in different places to be able to enforce what should be normal law enforcing work and overall the very fact that Indianness of any citizen being questioned is a disturbing thought.

KT: Why were Indian values breaking down suddenly?

HA: Because we are a plural society that for centuries, not for 70 years, has lived in a certain ambience of acceptance.

KT: And that ambience is suddenly changing?

HA: It is under threat.

KT: Today, as we speak, there are many who believe we are becoming an intolerant country. You have read about these articles in papers, you have seen these debates in television. Do you fear that yourself?

HA: Yes, because I interact with fellow citizens and there are great many people from different walks of life who come and talk about it.

KT: So you share the concern that intolerance is growing in India?

HA: Yes and I spoke about it in my last speech in Bengaluru a few days back.

KT: You did and I want to quote you on that in a moment’s time. But have you ever shared your concerns, your apprehensions with the prime minister or with the government?

HA: Yes.. yes. But what passes between the vice president and the prime minister in the nature of things must remain in the domain of privileged conversation.

KT: Understandably, but the important point is that as vice president you felt a need, a moral need, to raise this issue with the prime minister and you did do so.

HA: With the ministers also and with the prime minister also.

KT: I want to ask you about their response, were you satisfied?

HA: Well, there is always an explanation and there is always a reason. Now it is a matter of judgment, whether you accept the explanation, you accept the reasoning and its rationale.

Courts imposing national anthem and national song

KT: Once again that’s a very important answer and the wise will certainly be able to understand what you are saying. Let me put it like this, something else has also happened. In the last few months the Supreme Court has ruled that ‘Jana Gana Mana’ must be played before every single film screening. In more recent times the Madras high court has ruled that ‘Vande Mataram’ must be sung at least once a week in Tamil Nadu schools and colleges and at least once a month in government offices and private establishments. Once again, these two rulings have divided public opinion. How do you view them? Do you see them as any example of judicial overreach or is it essential for us to pay this exaggerated obeisance to the national anthem and national song because our nationalism requires it?

HA: The courts are a part of society. So what the courts tend to say sometimes is reflective of what the prevailing atmosphere in society is. I call that a sense of insecurity.

KT: A sense of insecurity reflected by the judges in what should be their considered opinion?

HA: Not of the judges. No. I am talking of the public sense. This propensity to be able to assert your nationalism day in and day out is unnecessary. I am an Indian and that is it.

KT: And it should be taken for granted that every Indian is loyal to the country? You don’t have to prove it.

HA: Oh absolutely. Oh absolutely.

KT: In which case when the judges require this through their rulings they are reflecting something that they should, hopefully, have risen above rather than become creatures of.

HA: Well again it is accepted practice not to comment on judges and I shall not.

KT: I understand.

An illiberal nationalism

KT: Let me then come to a speech you made on Sunday in Bangalore, because I think it is one of the most important speeches made by a vice president while still in office. I want to quote from that speech. You said the version of nationalism that places cultural commitments at its core is usually perceived as the most conservative and illiberal form of nationalism. It promotes intolerance and arrogant patriotism. To me and to many others like me there was that distinct feeling that you were actually commenting on what’s happening today.

HA: Yes..

KT: Am I right?

HA: Yes…Yes

KT: So you were talking with specific reference to the mood of the country in 2017?

HA: Oh absolutely.

KT: Can you give the audience a sense of why you felt this was an important thing to say.. Because vice presidents normally don’t speak out in this way. Why did you deliberately choose to do so?

HA: No, vice presidents do speak out and I have in the last ten years spoken out again and again on matters that I think needed to be aired in public. So it was not unusual, at least not for me, to speak about certain issues about which I think needed to be discussed. There is to each individual a manner of speaking; I stuck to my manner of speaking.

KT: And you deliberately choose a moment to point out, that this exaggerated concept of nationalism, this unnecessary requirement of having to keep proving you are patriotic and nationalist is unhealthy. It makes for intolerance and arrogance – that is a point you felt a personal need to make?

HA: Yes. And I am not the only one in the country; a great many people feel the same way.

KT: Your speech went one step further, in that speech you also quoted Swami Vivekanand, who is widely believed to be the favourite of the present government and this was the quotation, “We must not only tolerate other religions, but positively embrace them as truth is the basis of all religions”. Are you beginning to feel that there are some religions that are deliberately being distanced, perhaps even discriminated against?

HA: You see, why do we talk about tolerance… Because you feel the need to tolerate something which may not entirely be to your scheme of things. But this has been my point and this is not the only occasion in which I have spoken about. Tolerance is a good virtue, but it is not a sufficient virtue, and therefore you have to take the next step and go from tolerance to acceptance.

KT: And that acceptance is not happening today..

HA: Its not happening by and large.

KT: I will tell you from my mind why that Swami Vivekananda quotation is so important. It’s because in recent years, and I mean in recent years, not just weeks and months, the string of comments made by BJP men, members, ministers as well as leading figures of the Sangh parivar seem to target the Muslim community in particular. I won’t name people, but there was a minister who talked about ‘Haram Zade’ and ‘Ram Zade’. There was a chief minister who said Muslims are welcome in India but they must give up eating beef, there was the head of the RSS who said that all Indians are Hindus and immediately a senior minister added and Hindutva is the identity of India and there was an MP who went on to become a chief minister who said that for every Hindu girl converted to Islam, he would personally convert 100 Muslim girls to Hinduism. You are not just vice president, you are also a Muslim sitting and hearing this, and how did you as an individual feel on these comments were being made and made by people in power and positions of responsibility?

HA: I will not talk about political people or political parties, but to me every time such a comment appeared or came to my knowledge; I mean my first reaction was that, A: the person is ignorant, B: that he is prejudiced and C: he does not fit into the framework that India has always prided to itself on, which is to be accommodative society.

KT: When these comments were made, at the time, did you as vice president take them up with the government?

HA: No, I don’t think it was necessary for me to take individual complaints with the government, there was enough being said, this is an open society and enough has been said in criticism of these viewpoints publicly…

KT: In other words, there was no need for you to take it up, because if they had read in the papers, kept their ears open they knew how the country felt about such comments

HA: Oh I am sure they did.

KT: What about the speech you made on Sunday, which I said is a seminal speech, on which you spoken about the nationalism being practiced as intolerance and arrogance. Have you had any response from the government or the ministers about that speech?

HA: I don’t think it is necessary to have a response, I didn’t expect any, I mean there have been public reactions to it, there have been media reactions to it, editorial comments to it and by and large I think the themes I touched on have resonated with the prevailing views.
Hamid Ansari in Rajya Sabha. Credit: PTI

Hamid Ansari in Rajya Sabha. Credit: PTI

Apprehensions in Indian Muslims

KT: Many people say that as a result of such comments, as a result of the mood they have created, the Muslim community is apprehensive, its feeling insecure. Is that a correct assessment of how Indians Muslims feel or it is an exaggerated one?

HA: Yes it is a correct assessment, from all I hear from different quarters, the country; I heard the same thing in Bangalore, I have heard from other parts of the country, I hear more about in north India, there is a feeling of unease, a sense of insecurity is creeping in

KT: Are they beginning to feel they are not wanted?

HA: I would not go that far, there is a sense of insecurity

KT: Now, in 2015, when you were addressing the golden jubilee celebrations of all India Majlis-e-Mashawarat, you said something very important, it was a message in a sense, to Indian Muslims from a fellow Muslim, I want to quote bits of that.

“Significant sections of the Muslim society is trapped in a vicious circle, between tradition which is sacrosanct and modernity which has become a tainted expression.” I want to ask you in simple words, to explain what was the message you were giving

HA: The message was that you have to move with times, you have to live with the requirements of the occasion, do not create for oneself or one’s fellow beings an imaginary situation which is centuries back, when things were very different, I mean the whole idea was, that what are the challenges today… The challenges today are challenges of development. What are the requirements for development? You keep up with the times, educate yourself and compete…

KT: …don’t cut yourself off from contemporary India, immerse yourself more fully.

HA: Absolutely, absolutely. And that is the message I have been giving, wherever I have had an opportunity, that you have to change with times.

Affirmative action for Muslims

KT: In that same speech, you also said something else that struck me as important. The official objective of ‘Sab Ka Saath, Sab Ka Vikaas‘ is commendable, a pre-requisite for this is affirmative action, to ensure a common starting point. Would you be in favour of some form of reservation for Muslims?

HA: In Indian vocabulary, social and official vocabulary, reservation has come to acquire a certain connotation which is not necessarily positive.

KT: Affirmative action.

HA: Affirmative action is a much better expression, you take action wherever it is necessary for whoever it is necessary.

KT: And that is required for Muslims today. And governments must address themselves to that.

HA: Oh absolutely. Not just the Muslims, any segment of society. If the requirement is to have comprehensive development. If the requirement is that everybody shall move, take one step forward and keep taking steps forward then all have to be at the same starting point. And if you are at the same starting point and there are some who are not at the starting point you have to bring them up to the starting point.

Triple talaq

KT: Now an issue that has dominated the news in recent months concerning the Muslim community is this debate about triple talaq and I want to ask you where do you as a Muslim stand on it? Do you believe that this is an issue for the courts to sort out because it is a matter to do with gender rights and gender justice, or is it an issue best left for the Muslim community to resolve internally themselves?

HA: Firstly, it is a social aberration, it is not a religious requirement. The religious requirement is crystal clear, emphatic, there are no two views about it. But patriarchy, social customs have all crept into it to create a situation which is highly undesirable.

KT: So should the court step in?

HA: You don’t have to, the reform has to come from within the community.

KT: Would it be wrong for the courts to step in?

HA: The courts can say that we don’t recognise it. That’s all. I mean a marriage has to be recognised on certain occasions by the system of the state. And if a state functionary at a particular point of time refuses to recognise a happening which may be the product of a triple talaq, that’s it.

KT: So the courts will simply formally decree we don’t recognise triple talaq but the reform has to happen internally from within the community?

HA: Exactly. It has to. You see, the people have to understand the basics of the faith. What has happened is that the tradition has overtaken the essentials of faith, therefore modernity has to be caught up with, without letting go of tradition. You address modernity with tradition and tradition with modernity.

KT: You can’t separate the two artificially.

HA: You can’t separate the two and you know it is quite impossible to do that.

KT: Again, you answered very clearly and the intelligent will immediately discern what you are saying. My last question before I take a break – given the fact that Muslims are feeling insecure, apprehensive, uncertain; given the sort of political rhetoric that keeps resonating, are you worried that the number of Indian Muslims get attracted to ideologies like al-Qaeda or ISIS could start increasing sharply? There are already some who have been attracted and have joined up, could that number grow sizeably or is that an exaggerated fear?

HA: No, I don’t think. The official figure estimates are that if there are numbers they are miniscule. I think the Muslim in India is sui generis. Mind you, every seventh citizen of India is a Muslim just as every fifth citizen belongs to a religious minority. These are facts on the ground. There is no evidence that any process of extremist indoctrination is underway in India, an individual can always go off the track.

KT: Once again that is a very clear answer, do not exaggerate the fear that is sometimes voiced in papers and television that Indian Muslims could start embracing al-Qaeda or ISIS?

HA: Oh absolutely. You know those are products of local situations in certain contingencies. That situation does not prevail here and I hope it never does prevail.

KT: Let’s take a break at that point. Mr Vice President when I come back I want to turn as I said I would earlier to your role as chairman of the Rajya Sabha and in particular talk with you about the functioning of the upper house and whether it lives up to the expectations Indian democracy and the Indian people have of it. We will be back in a moment’s time, don’t go away there is a lot more to discuss with Hamid Ansari. See you after the break.

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Being Rajya Sabha chairman

KT: Welcome back to a special interview for Rajya Sabha TV with Hamid Ansari on his last day as vice president of India. Mr Ansari lets talk about your job as chairman of the Rajya Sabha. Ten years ago when you first presided over the upper house there were many people, including your friends, who were little nervous as they thought, he has no experience of this, will he be able to do it. Were you apprehensive on that first day?

HA: No, only to the extent that any new situation you approach diffidently.

KT: But you had the confidence not to show it because it certainly didn’t show on your face. Inside were there moments when you said to yourself what am I letting myself in for?

HA: Well, chairing a meeting was a new experience, there were other kinds of meetings which had been chaired in different points in life, so chairing a meeting was just that.

KT: Except that in the Rajya Sabha, particularly as the years went on you ended up with a house that acquired a reputation for frequent disruptions, several members who were unruly and indisciplined. And I will be honest with you not only did this shock the Indian people when they saw it on television but this sort of behaviour would have been intolerable in the British or Australian parliaments, to name just two. And people often ask why isn’t Hamid Ansari asserting himself, why isn’t he imposing more discipline?

HA: Well the answer is very simple… the chair of the house be it the speaker of Lok Sabha or the chairman of Rajya Sabha, is a referee… is an umpire in a cricket match. The referee is given a rule book and the referee cannot go beyond the rule book. Rules were made at a different stage in history when certain forms of behaviour were acceptable and certain forms of behaviour were not imagined. Things have changed over time, Indian society has changed over time, public behaviour has changed over time, we have not caught up with it.

KT: It’s interesting you talk about the rule book. Actually the rule book could have permitted you to name and shame, the rule book could have permitted you to even suspend… In fact, Subhash Kashyap once said instead of repeated adjournments – and the Rajya Sabha seems to be adjourned two three times a day – why doesn’t Mr Ansari, why doesn’t his deputy enforce the rules ?

HA: Because they know what the rules say and what their powers are. There are only two rules in the Rajya Sabha rulebooks – an individual member may be named and asked to withdraw. That is one rule. The other rule is that a motion in the house is put forward and [it] is carried.

KT: Did you often name and ask members to withdraw?

HA: On one occasion I told a member he was skating very close to the rule. And he picked up his papers and walked out. I didn’t tell him to walk out.

KT: I tell you why I ask this question…

HA: …On another occasion I did ask a member to withdraw…

KT: And he did.

HA: He did.

KT: I’ll tell you why I asked this question … I was once in Australia and I was at the house of representatives, and to my astonishment and also to my delight I heard the speaker say to the prime minister that she will withdraw and apologise for the comment she made about Tony Abbot who was then the leader of the opposition. The prime minister was reluctant to do so and did so inadequately, and the speaker interrupted and in a strong tone said that the prime minister will withdraw and at once the prime minister did. And the speaker simply said: thank you, and carried on. People often wonder why aren’t our presiding officers as stern and tough as that?

HA: Indian culture.

KT: You mean our ministers and MPs won’t take it?

HA: They would, pushed to the wall, they would but our culture is to be less than stern and therefore you hint, you insinuate, you suggest but you don’t go all the way.

KT: And when that hinting and insinuation doesn’t make its point then you have to accept the bedlam that ensues.

HA: No, you adjourn and then you talk. You see there is a process, every disruption does not mean that it is a stand-off. There is a point being scored in every disruption or which leads to a disruption

KT: But the interesting point is that Indian culture doesn’t allow you to be as much of a disciplinarian as the speaker of the house of commons can be and gets away with it.

HA: Because the social atmosphere is different.

KT: One of the problems is that the Rajya Sabha has a different composition to the Lower House – the government has a majority in the Lower House. It does not or at least until very recently it did not have anything like the same number in the Upper House. How conscious were you of that when you handled the Rajya Sabha?

HA: No, it did not matter at all. It was not the first time in the history of Indian parliament that such a situation as risen. The composition of the house has very little to do with what the role of the chair is. The chair is a referee in a match – whether this side is playing better or that side is playing worse is no concern of the chair.

KT: And you saw yourself as a referee?

HA: Absolutely.

KT: The problem is, and you probably remember this better than me, in December 2011, when the Manmohan Singh government was in power, you got sharply criticised by the BJP that were in opposition because they said you were guilty of not being an impartial referee, they said you are guilty of partisanship. It happened at the end of the debate on the Lok Pal Bill when people were expecting a vote and you ended up adjourning the house sine die, and the BJP said you have done this because the government would have lost the vote and you were protecting Manmohan Singh’s government. And as I said, Arun Jaitley publicly said that this was partisan behaviour and I believe Yogendra Yadav called it match fixing. Looking back…was that an error of judgment or would you defend your decision?

HA: Absolutely not… absolutely not. What was done that evening was done exactly in terms of rules and procedures because what the public does not know is that parliament meets for the duration it meets under a command from the head of state. Which is initiated at the urging of the government. So if the president of India says that the parliament would meet from the first till the 31st of the month that’s it … unless it is extended by the government through the president again it cannot [extend to] the next day.

KT: And at midnight that time had run out so you had to adjourn.

HA: Absolutely… otherwise it would have been an Indian version of the Long Parliament.

Arun Jaitley’s suggested reforms to the Rajya Sabha

KT: Now Arun Jaitley, probably in response to the problem that the government has getting its legislation passed in the Rajya Sabha, has made two proposals, both in a sense adopted from conventions and practices of the British House of Lords, and I want to bounce them off you. The first is he says that India need something like Britain’s Salisbury Convention whereby any legislation that is part of a manifesto commitment of the government will be passed by the Upper House even if the government doesn’t have a majority in the Upper House. The critical factor being, this is a manifesto commitment. Do you think we need something like that?

HA: The short answer is that the Rajya Sabha is not the House of Lords and while the Salisbury Convention has been talked about, it does not apply – it is not relevant to Indian conditions. It [Rajya Sabha] is a consciously-created independent house and if you look at the text of the constitution, wherever the two houses are mentioned, the Rajya Sabha or the council of states is mentioned before Lok Sabha is mentioned. The two houses have been created deliberately, consciously, purposefully and that purpose remains as valid today as it was done.

KT: Salisbury Convention, that would seek to circumvent in a way the powers and prerogative of the Upper House, would be unfitting and unconstitutional in India.

HA: Absolutely.

KT: The second suggestion, once again Mr Jaitley is borrowing from the British political system, is that any legislation passed by the Lower House cannot be held up for more than a year by the Upper House in India, citing the parliamentary act in Britain of 1911 as amended in 1949. Do you think something similar should apply in India or again would you say this is unconstitutional, it undermines the independent standing of the Rajya Sabha?

HA: Look, why was a second house necessary either in the Indian parliament or in Australian parliament or Canadian parliament or American senate for that matter – I mean in our case it was partly to reflect the diversity of India. Then, secondly, a more substantive and immediate requirement was a kind of second look at legislation.

Because what is happening is, and I’ve said this in my Bangalore speech, that unlike the 1950s and early 60s, when parliament used to sit for 100 days, today it is sitting almost half the time, which means enough time is not available either for deliberation of legislation or on accountability of the government or in discussions of issues of public interest…

KT: So, don’t curtail it further…

HA: You cannot curtail it further without abrogating the responsibility…

KT: So, once again, a cut-off which means that the Upper House cannot hold back legislation passed for more than a year, would not fit into India’s political system, it may apply in Britain, because the House of Lords is not an elected House. Rajya Sabha is not just an elected House, it also represents the states, which the Lower House may not do quite the same way and certainly the House of Lords doesn’t either.

HA: Oh absolutely, and Rajya Sabha is a responsible House, most of the time all the political parties are represented by senior people… people with great experience of public life in different wants…

KT: … and their deliberation is important…

HA: It’s critically important.
Hamid Ansari giving a farewell speech for Pranab Mukherjee. Credit: PIB/Twitter

Hamid Ansari giving a farewell speech for Pranab Mukherjee. Credit: PIB/Twitter

Use and abuse of money bills

KT: Now in the mean time, there is also a criticism made by the Opposition, particularly the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha, to the way the government treats the Rajya Sabha… they say quite often critical bills are passed off as money bills when they are quite clearly not money bills, and it’s only done to facilitate the easy passage of legislation and the two that have come to mind immediately are the recent finance Bill and the Aadhaar Bill. Now you were the chairman of the Rajya Sabha when this happened. Do you think that here the Opposition has a good case?

HA: Well, since the matter is before the Supreme Court, I should not comment on it. But there is certainly no merit in extending what is a money bill to a point when its ceases to be a money bill and transforms itself to an organisational bill.

KT: In which case, do we need to relook and perhaps rethink the power of the speaker of the Lok Sabha to decide what is and what isn’t a money bill and the fact that her decision thereafter can’t be challenged, should that be re-looked at?

HA: I don’t comment on the power of the honourable speaker and in any case this matter is before the Supreme Court, so let us wait.

KT: Let me ask you a slightly different question, not in terms of commenting on the speaker’s power, but should a critical decision that affects not just what sort of legislation it is but more importantly whether the Rajya Sabha can then meaningfully discuss it or vote on it – should that decision be taken jointly both by the speaker of the Lower House as well as the chairman of the Upper House?

HA: I would not comment on that and let the political system think about it and we all wait to have some procedures.

KT: But it is something that the political system should think about …

HA: It is already in the domain of discussion and in the domain of the judiciary… so let’s see…

Nominations to the Rajya Sabha

KT: Now another issue that has attracted attention in recent weeks is what the press calls the deplorable attendance of nominated MPs like Sachin Tendulkar and Rekha, to just name those two to start with. PRS has calculated that their percentage attendance in five years has been 7% and 5%… My question is simple, should this sort of deplorable attendance be tolerated or should it be grounds for terminating the membership of someone who clearly neither has the time nor the inclination to want to be a Rajya Sabha member?

HA: What PRS has aired publicly is something which has been known to the secretariat for a long time, but please pay attention to the procedure, any member who wishes to be absent from the functioning of the House puts in a request, and the request is put by the chair to the House and the House approves the absence…

KT: So each of these people have already had their absence cleared not just by the chair but through the chair by the House.

HA: Absolutely, how else would they be absent!

KT: The House may be more understanding and willing to allow such nominated members to be absent, but the country feels, that actually, they should be present and even if they don’t want to debate at least be sitting. As I said, Sachin and Rekha are not the only two this was also proved to be the case with Lata Mangeshkar when she was a member, M.F. Husain, Mrinal Sen and several others. Do we therefore need to rethink about the sort of people we nominate? So that we’re more sure that when nominated, they will participate and will make time, rather than treated as an adornment…

HA: What was the rationale of nominations? The thought process behind it was that they would provide an input from a different perspective into the national law making process.

KT: But they can only do that if they are present and participating…

HA: Precisely, and therefore the responsibility for nominating them rests with governments… successive governments… so we’ve had a record of it – there have been excellent nominated members who have participated and participating very actively even to this day. There are nominated members who participate on a daily basis and there are others who have not participated.

KT: So you’re saying a very important thing, Mr Vice President, you’re saying governments must think very carefully about the sort of people they nominate, so that they have a certain assurance that once nominated the person will participate.

HA: You have to think, what kind of input you require from an individual…

KT: And then choose the individual in accordance with that…

HA: Precisely.

KT: Rather than simply choosing the person because they are celebrities or they are stars… (Ansari nods)

You’re saying yes…

HA: Yes.

An independent Rajya Sabha TV

KT: Let me come to Rajya Sabha TV. To everyone’s surprise and delight, it’s a channel that established itself with credibility, with independence, with a certain neutrality and that happened under your charge. Important colleagues of mine, who are senior journalists like Siddharth Varadarajan, M.K. Venu, Govind Ethiraj, Bharat Bhushan, have all been anchors. Now that you’re stepping aside, there is a concern in the media world, that perhaps the quality and character Rajya Sabha TV will change. Can you be confident that what you set up and established would continue as independent, credible and neutral, or does it depend critically on how your successor looks at the channel?

HA: Look, Rajya Sabha TV was set up by the decision of the Rajya Sabha and of course there is a longer story to it as to why a separate existence became necessary. So going back ten years, when I first stepped into Rajya Sabha, the then speaker Mr Somnath Chatterjee had a conversation with me in which he said, the original idea was to have one TV channel in which both would be participants, but at that point, the Rajya Sabha was not willing. So I said, alright, let me go back and see if I can change views. It so happened, that over a period of time I did persuade the dissenters to agree and the channel was established and the channel was given no command from the chair except that it should be a forum of discussion somewhat along the lines of the PBS.

KT: That’s because you were tolerant and that’s because you wanted the channel to operate objectively, independently, thoughtfully and analytically. What is the assurance that your successor will give no command and will operate the channel independently, objectively.

HA: I can’t comment on that, I’m not a jyotishi that I will tell what will happen tomorrow.

KT: So the fears that people have about the future of Rajya Sabha TV are not baseless? They could turn out to be very real?

HA: Why should anybody fear the future? You face the future that’s all. If a challenge emerges, face it.

Venkaiah Naidu as VP

KT: Let me ask you a question about your successor and I ask it only because many members of the Rajya Sabha, which is still your House, are voicing concerns. Unlike you, he’s been a politician all his life. He’s been not just a minister but a president of the BJP. At a time when the government is concerned and conscious about the way that the Rajya Sabha can check and delay its legislation, how confident are you that your successor will give the opposition in the Rajya Sabha a fair hand and a fair say?

HA: Look at the history of Indian vice presidents. They have been politicians, they have been philosophers, they have been educationists, they have been senior most members of the judiciary. They have all delivered. Nobody has said that they have not delivered.

KT: And you believe that will be true of your successor.

HA: Of course. The job dictates the response.

KT: I want to push you if I may with one thing. Very recently as a minister, your successor once described the prime minister as god’s gift to India. That comment lingers in the minds of many opposition MPs of the Rajya Sabha. That makes them wary. What will you tell those MPs, your MPs still, who are wary of your successor because he has called the prime minister ‘god’s gift to India’.

HA: Each individual thinks for himself. Each member of parliament, I have no reason to doubt the capacity to think on everybody’s part.

KT: But you are confident that the responsibility of the job when he sits in that chair will change him?

HA: Absolutely. Because that is the only way the job can be done.

KT: So the requirements of the job will change your successor’s thinking, attitude and behaviour, and that’s been true of all previous vice presidents as well?

HA: I go by their record. I am not an astrologer but I go by their record.

What Kashmir needs

KT: In the limited time left to me, I want to raise with you two problems. You have been a very successful diplomat. You’ve been, as I said in my introduction, an ambassador or high commissioner to six countries including the UN before you became vice president. And it’s in that light that I want to raise briefly, two issues of deep concern. The first is the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. Speaking in Bangalore on Sunday you said, and I am quoting, “The political immobility in relation to Jammu and Kashmir is disconcerting.” Are you suggesting that the governments both in Srinagar and Delhi ought to be taking more initiatives and are not? Is that the immobility that you are talking about?

HA: Yes. Yes. The problem is and has always been primarily a political problem. And it has to be addressed politically.

KT: And politicians today are ducking it?

HA: That’s my impression. And I’m not the only one in the country.

KT: So when you look at the trajectory of developments from say the killing of Burhan Wani in July last year and the way things have escalated, are you worried about what is happening in Kashmir? Are you apprehensive that the situation may be passing beyond a point of control?

HA: Well when young boys and girls come out on to the streets and throw stones day after day, week after week, month after month, it’s something to worry about because they are our children, they are our citizens. Something is obviously going wrong. What exactly, I am not the final word on it, but I think there are enough people in the country who are worried about it. Eminent people belonging to different political persuasions – and their worry must be taken on board.

KT: And in your speech when you said this immobility is disconcerting, you were actually saying to those in authority, be they in Delhi and Srinagar, you got to respond and act. You can’t not do so?

HA: Those are my words. I have expressed, expressed my worry in my own terms. Now whether someone reads it or not is not my business.

India-China stand-off

KT: The second issue that is problematic today is the India China standoff at Doklam. Just 48 hours ago or so, the Chinese newspaper the Global Times quoted a Chinese expert who said that a small-scale military operation is possible may be even likely in two weeks. Speaking of the apprehension in India are you apprehensive about this situation?

HA: Not really. I think we have had these periods of standoffs with China. And there is enough knowledge, enough experience, enough wisdom still available to be able to retrieve situations.

KT: This is a very interesting answer that you are giving, because the point made repeatedly by the government or the MEA spokesperson is that the present standoff is not substantively different to those we have seen in the past. The Chinese, as you know, have vigorously and strenuously denied that. You are relatively sanguine about the handling of the situation. You are not worried even though many in the newspapers and television are beginning to express anxiety and fear. You don’t fall into that category.

HA: The totality of Indian experience in dealing with China is very considerable makes me think that we will handle it.

KT: And you are confident, or not at least apprehensive at the moment, that we are handling it properly?

HA: No, I think that the government will manage it.

Future plans

KT: My last question. Today is your last day as vice president. Tomorrow a new chapter opens. What next?

HA: That time will tell.

KT: But have you any plans in mind? Have you decided how you will spend your years of freedom? Because until now job restraints, responsibilities and protocol have weighed down upon you. You will still not be a free man. You will still be surrounded by security. But have you any idea what you want to do?

HA: Do all the things that I wanted to do and have not been able to do in sufficient measure.

KT: Does that include writing your memoirs?

HA: No.

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जिस अलीगढ़ मुस्लिम विश्वविद्यालय के शिक्षकों के द्वारा छात्रों की नसों में क़ौम (राष्ट्र) ओ मिल्लत का दर्द इंजेक्शन की तरह दिया जाता था आज उसी अलीगढ़ मुस्लिम विश्वविद्यालय का शिक्षक संघ AMUTA इंसानियत की सारी हदों को तोड़ते हुए अपनी क्षेत्रवादी मानसिकता का परिचय दे रहा है। जब पूरा बिहार बाढ़ की त्रासदी से गुज़र रहा है, बच्चे-बूढ़े-महिलायें भूख और प्यास से तड़प रहे हैं तो 21 अगस्त को AMUTA अपना द्विवर्षीय भोज का आयोजन करने जा रहा है। क्या प्राकृतिक आपदा किसी राज्य का होता है ? क्या AMUTA इसलिये बना था की वो राष्ट्रीय आपदाओं में अपनी संजीदा भागीदारी की जगह बेहयाई से दावतें उड़ाते रहे? अमुवि का शिक्षक समाज इतना संवेदनहीन, बौद्धिक और नैतिक दिवालिया और उदासीन कैसे हो सकता है। इस राष्ट्रीय प्राकृतिक आपदा पर अमुटा सचिव और शिक्षक संघ की अपराधिक चुप्पी क्यों? ये दर्शाता है की AMU के शिक्षकों का समाज के दुःख दर्द से कोई नाता नहीं रह गया है। आपके इसी उदासीनता ने छात्रों से आपकी दुरी बढ़ा दी है। छात्र जब भी आक्रोशित और आंदोलित होते हैं तब अपना आक्रोश निकालने के लिए सबसे पहले स्टाफ क्लब पर हमला करते हैं। फिर भी आपको शर्म नहीं आती।

अलीगढ़ मुस्लिम विश्वविद्यालय भारत का संस्थान है। राष्ट्र पर होनेवाले किसी भी आपदा पर इसके लोगों को संज्ञान में लेना होगा। आपको ब्यान देना होगा, आपको साथ आना होगा, आपको अपने शिक्षकों/विद्यार्थियों को राहत कार्यों में भेजना होगा। अगर ऐसा नहीं होता है तो AMU अल्पसंख्यक और किसी विशेष दर्जे की लड़ाई भारतीय मुसलमान या सामान विचारधारा के लीग क्यों लड़ेंगे।

AMUTA का टर्म मेरी जानकारी के लिहाज़ से आज के कुछ माह पूर्व ही खत्म हो चूका है। फिर इस अवैध् शिक्षक संघ द्वारा अवैध् भोज का आयोजन क्यों ? क्या डिनर की आड़ में अमुटा को भरष्टाचार द्वारा कुछ कमाई दिखती है ? सातवें वेतन आयोग के लाखों रूपये कम पड़ते हैं जो आमदनी के लिए 'डिनर रास्ता' ढूंढ़ रहे। राष्ट्रीय आपदा पर बैठक की जगह इस भोज का आयोजन क्यों? अमुटा के जिम्मेदारों से कहना चाहता हूँ आप दावत उड़ाएं लेकिन क्षेत्रवाद का जो कीड़ा आपने औने अंदर पाल रखा है वो संघ से ज़्यादा नुकसान पहुंचा रहा है समाज को। आपको आरएसएस को गाली देने का कोई अधिकार नहीं। आप मेरी नज़र में उनसे गिरे हुए हैं। आपलोगों ने सर सैय्यद के इदारे में बिजबीजाते और बदबूदार मानसिकता की जड़ को मज़बूत कर हिन्दुस्तानी मुसलमानो के आखिरी उम्मीद अलीगढ़ मुस्लिम यूनिवर्सिटी को तबाह ओ बर्बाद करने में खाद पानी डालने का काम किया है। आपके इस भोज पर लानत, आपकी सोच पर लानत और उन शिक्षकों/विद्यार्थियों पर भी लानत जो आपके इस गलीज़ हरकत में आपके भागीदार हैं।

सवाल है ऐसा क्यों हो रहा है ? 3 सितम्बर 2008 को भी AMUTA ने यही हरकत की थी। जब पूरा राष्ट्र बिहार के साथ खड़ा था उस समय भी अमुटा खामोश थी। कुछ शिक्षकों के हंगामा करने पर GBM तो बुलाई गयी लेकिन बिहार के बाढ़ राहत पर 'Quorum' तक पूरा नहीं हो सका। सिर्फ 11 लोग आये जबकि सिर्फ बिहार के कगभग 200 शिक्षक थे उस समय। यहाँ तक की कोसी क्षेत्र जो इस बाढ़ की त्रासदी को झेल रहा था उस क्षेत्र के भी शिक्षक नहीं आये। कैसे मुर्दा और गैर ज़िम्मेदार लोग हैं। सिर्फ बड़ी बड़ी बात, दो चार चार जज़्बाती शेर और क़ौम के दर्द की बातें।

आज ठीक वही हरकत फिर दुहराई जा रही है लेकिन इसबार अमुटा की इस गिरी और असंवेदनशील हरकत पर किसी की कोई आवाज़ नहीं सुनाई पड़ती। यहाँ तक की बिहारी शिक्षकों और विद्यार्थियों की ओर से भी कोई विरोध नहीं। अरे विरोध छोड़ो निंदा तो करो। निंदा करना आजकल भारत में बुरा नहीं माना जाता।

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Marghoob Alam
Marghoob Alam बहूत खूब
आखिर पंक्तियाँ सुधार कीजिये ।
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam कौनसा, समझ नही आया। AMUTA ?~~? उसको मुर्दाबाद ही कहना है।
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Marghoob Alam
Marghoob Alam AMU जिन्दाबाद
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Marghoob Alam
Marghoob Alam या अगर सही है तो पाईनदाबाद का मतलब ??
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam जानदार के लिए 'ज़िंदाबाद'
जिसमें जान न हो उसके लिए 'पाइन्दाबाद'।

दोनों का भाव एक ही होता है।
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Marghoob Alam शुक्रिया ....
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Meraj Hasan अमुवि के ज्यादातर शिक्षक वैचारिक रूप से फ़र्ज़ी है।। सर सय्यद के चमन पे बोझ है
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Paras Singh
Paras Singh Why aren't individual teachers coming out in support ? Can't they pay 1000/- out of their salary running in lakhs?
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Mumtaz Naiyer
Mumtaz Naiyer You nailed it brother
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Zeya Anwar Bahut badi baat bhai , insan hona or hai , insaniyat ka haque adaa karna or !
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Ashraf Mateen
Ashraf Mateen Paras Singh...Teachers are paying already in individual capacity...AMUTA is also working on one day salary contribution from the teachers....this decision can only be taken in General Body Meeting. Almost all accusations in this post can be rebutted but I would prefer to keep quite just out of deep respect I have for Tanweer Alam bhai.
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Paras Singh Since AMUTA is a body which needs to take decision on its general body, I didn't make any comment about it. I rather preferred individual teachers.
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Ashraf Mateen
Ashraf Mateen Some have already given and many have approached AMUTA for it as they have no other organisation to whom they can give with full faith
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Syed Arafat Hasan Rizvi
Syed Arafat Hasan Rizvi I wonder.. how decisions on the part of students to compromise their sir syed day dinner (Muzaffarnagar riots + Kashmir Floods) can be taken just like that and if it comes to the part of teachers...they got rules and regulations and decorum. WoW
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Ashraf Mateen Even with all these rules and regulations, which should be there in place in a civilised society, AMUTA contributed 50 lakhs for Kashmir Flood Relief which was siphoned off by Lt. Gen. Shah. Nobody knows what happened to those funds. AMUTA contributed similar amount for Muzaffar Nagar Riot victims as well and distributed relief material to the victims. Ignore can't be helped.
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Syed Arafat Hasan Rizvi
Syed Arafat Hasan Rizvi You are stooping down to announce and compare the contributions in figures sir, i am least concerned about how much AMUTA contributed but my point is why the students are not asked for their will before sacrificing something on their part. You have an ...See More
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Ashraf Mateen I am not comparing the amount of contribution. If one goes collecting from individual teachers rather than through AMUTA rules and procedures, the amount will hardly reach 25% even though many more are willing to contribute. AMUSU has VC as its patron ...See More
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Syed Arafat Hasan Rizvi Certainly !!
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Abu Xaigham Khan कोई शक नहीं यह Aligarh के क़ब्रिस्तान मे अपनी जगह सेट कर चुके हैं इन्हें दूसरों को मौतों पे कुआ दुख.
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Md Nehal Ahsan sahi kaha aish kar rahe hai aur student se fayda utha rahe
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Ahmad Shah Is photo Ko dekh kr nhi lagta hai apko kom se mohabbat hai
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam कोई भेजा है तो उससे मेरे बाक़ी के कारनामे भी ईमानदारी से पता कर आईयेगा।
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Tanweer Alam 😊😊😊अगर मोदी की जगह पधानमंत्री आप होते तो ज़रूर हमदर्द दिखाई देता लेकिन अफ़सोस ----।
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Ahmad Shah Bhai hum Na bhula hain Muzaffarnagar na Saharanpur na Najeeb na akhlaq na junaid na phalu khan aur kya kya kahun
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Tanweer Alam आप पहले ये बताएं की आप विद्यार्थी हैं या शिक्षक। अगर विद्यार्थी है तो ये पोस्ट आपके लिए नही है। अगर आप भेजे गए हैं तो माफ़ी के साथ कहूँगा उनलोगों ही भेज दीजिये और आप पढाई में वक़्त दीजिये।
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Mohammad Ashar Nomani Ye baat bahut hi aala darje ki hai Tanweer Alam bhai..
Apne aaqaon k gulaam hain kuch log..
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Tanweer Alam कुछ लौंडों ने मुझे धमकी भिजवाई है की पोस्ट हटा लूँ वरना मैं अमुवि में कभी आ नहीं पाउँगा😊😊😊।

बाबू, तुमको ऐसा लगता है की तुम ये कर पाओगे। मेरे ही इदारे में आने से मुझे रोक पाओगे। और सुनो, पोस्ट तो नहीं हटेगा। मेरी राजनीति की धुरी कोई अलीगढ़ नहीं इसलिए आने न आने से मुझे कोई फ़र्क़ भी नहीं पड़ता। दूसरे मेरा जिस दिन दिल करेगा अकेले आऊंगा बावजूद इसके की मैं चाहूँ तो मेरे आने के पहले छावनी बन जायेगी यूनिवर्सिटी और तुम आसपास दिखाई तक नहीं दोगे। फर्जी तरीके से रहने वाले ज़मीनी लड़कों को धमकी नहीं देते।

तुम अभी पढ़ने लिखने में दिल लगाओ। गुंडई अच्छा नहीं शरीफ लोगों के साथ। और उस मास्टर को बोल देना राजनीति करनेवालों के साथ राजनीति न करें। ठीक है, अब जाओ लाइब्रेरी।।
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Syed Tanweer Raza Dhamki. Denewale kaun hain Nan Dena chahiye
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Anwar Khursheed
Anwar Khursheed Tanweer Alam Sb it's only this post that I am not going to attend the dinner but in principal I have a little difference of opinion.
I agree that on propriety it does not look nice to feast when a large section of our society is under the clout of such a calamity but India is a great country of very large dimensions in real time we have floods and drought in one part or another. Some times earthquake another time tsunami then accidents and if nothing than riots as human being are the biggest enemy of each other.
Therefore on every such tragedy we simply decide that we will not celebrate anything.
Therefore the best thing is constitute a relief fund under AMUTA on permanent basis instead of cancelling such collective programmes.
The same argument I put forward when Sir Sayed Day Dinner was cancelled for consecutive years.
I request that don't read my comment with emotions but think with rationality.
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam आपसे सहमति। सवाल ज़िम्मेदारियों का है बड़े भाई। ज़रूरी नहीं की हर कोई पैसे से ही कंट्रीब्यूट भी करे, लेकिन अपनी क़ौमी और समाजी ज़िम्मेदारी हर किसी को समझना होगा विशेषकर जब आपका नाम अलीगढ़ से जुड़ जाए।

बाक़ी आपको पता है आपका कॉमेंट आने के बाद मुझे रुक जाना होता है।

बनाइये 'अमुवि आपदा कोष' मैं और हमारे साथी, पूरी दुनिया के अलीग और नॉन अलीग इसको समर्थन देंगे, सहयोग करेंगे।
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Anwar Khursheed Tanweer Alam नवाज़िश मैं भी आप के कहने से रुक गया और अब दाल चावल और भिंडी की सब्ज़ी खाने जा रहा हूँ।
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Tanweer Alam किसी बिहारी शिक्षक से अचार मांग लीजिये, बहुत टेस्टी होता है। Solidarity With Bihari Achar :P
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Anwar Khursheed Tanweer Alam अचार तो हर विवाहित आदमी का पड़ा होता है
माँगने क्यूँ जायें
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#185 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2017 06:14
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Tanweer Alam, former President AMUOBA Maharashtra raised a voice against AMUTA Annual Dinner. I have also not attended the dinner but in principal I have a little difference of opinion.
I agree that on propriety it does not look nice to feast when a large section of our society is under the clout of such a calamity but India is a great country of very large dimensions and in real time we have always floods and drought in one part or another. Some times earthquake another time tsunami then accidents and if nothing than riots as human being are the biggest enemy of each other.
Therefore on every such tragedy we simply decide that we will not celebrate anything.
Therefore the best thing is constitute a relief fund under AMUTA on permanent basis instead of cancelling such collective programmes.
The same argument I put forward when Sir Sayed Day Dinner was cancelled for consecutive years.
I request that don't read my comment with emotions but think with rationality.
Some students are posting very nasty comments against AMUTA & teachers; I personally condemn all such diatribes, it has become fashion to abuse teachers on one pretext or another.
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Farrukh Hafeez
Farrukh Hafeez The biggest calamity is the backwardness of Muslim community. AMUTA should work towards establishing few schools under its banner , as we have students union schools, so that we have real reason to celebrate its achievements. Many teachers wont mind even more direct contribution or even zakat.
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Masood Raza Zadran
Masood Raza Zadran When somebody starts doing so towards community few people comes out from our community to hurdle it. The same thing was happened with VC Zamiruddin Shah Saheb.
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Mohd Yunus
Mohd Yunus ऐ am very sorry to say that AMU teacher community more or less shameless .they have no sense of responsbility; our whole community is see towards Aligar in each and every single issue of community but they are irresponsible as well as they are not capable to lead the community now.unfortunately some or more themselves doing Dalali of present govt.
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Yusuf Mansoor
Yusuf Mansoor I concur with you 100%...and totally disagree with any culture of opposing just for the sake of apposing. Life must go on..
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam आपसे भी मैं सहमत नहीं हूँ क्योंकि आपने मेरा पोस्ट पढ़ा नहीं और सिर्फ 'विरोध की नियत' से कॉमेंट कर रहे। ऐसा मैं कह सकता हूँ😊। आज़ादी विचारों की😊😊😊।।
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Yusuf Mansoor
Yusuf Mansoor Bilkul nahi, chahe wajah koi bhi ho mager hame apni soch dusroN pe mussallat nahi kerni chahiey. JAZBE ka hona infradi fail hai.. Criticism constructive honi chahiey jo aap k post se sabit nahi hoti..
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Anwar Khursheed
Anwar Khursheed चलिये अपनी अपनी बात सामने आ गयी
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam ये आपका अपना विश्लेषण है जो मैं नहीं मानता। आप आज़ाद हैं अपनी राय बनाने के लिए। आलोचना अब मुझे किसी से सिखने की आवश्यकता नहीं।
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Yusuf Mansoor
Yusuf Mansoor Chaliey koi bat nahi.. Waise bat sift kehne k gharz se kahi jai to wo faot mani jati hai, sunane mai sunnane ki gunjaish lazim hai☺
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Arif Janbaaz Naimi
Arif Janbaaz Naimi You Are right Sir...
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Farrukh J Shamsi
Farrukh J Shamsi People may differ my Opinion but In islam and islamic countaries most respected community is teacher then doctor and so on.... number 2 cancelling the events of celebration is not proved by any hadith or Quran and lastly Islam teaches and insist on celebrations. How many people in their own houses cancel celebrations. Humanity and islam clearly says there are different heads or allocations for spendings. Not necessarily every thing on education or celebrations or In the name of Allah for releif ...
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Paras Singh
Paras Singh Who can tell me whether there was a "beef" in the menu of AMUTA's dinner 😂😂😁
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam आपसे सहमति है की AMUTA सबकुछ नहीं कर सकती। उसको हक़ है अपनी खुशियाँ मनाये लेकिन हिन्दुस्तानी मुसलमानी की आखिरी उम्मीद होने की ज़िम्मेदारी भी निभाए।
बच्चे ग़लती करते हैं, माफ़ी भी मांग लेते हैं। लेकिन ये कौन सा शिक्षक समाज है की आपसे अगर कोई सवाल करे, आपके...See More
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Anwar Khursheed
Anwar Khursheed I agree if the dinner would have been postponed till a relief fund is created.
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Anwar Khursheed
Anwar Khursheed हर समाज में हर तरह के लोग होते हैं
अफ़सोस के जो कमियाँ सब जगह हैं वह शिक्षकों में भी हैं
पर मैं मानता हूँ के उन में सबसे काम होना चाहिए थी
उसी का परिणाम है जो ये सब हो रहा है समाज में
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam ये गुंडई जो रात भर हुई, मैं भी कर सकता था। अलीगढ़ में बैठकर कोई सोचे की मैं ऐसा कर सकता हूँ तो मैं भी दिल्ली में बैठकर इनकी खुजली मिटाने की दवा बनवा दूँ। कुछ मिनत का काम है। लेकिन नुकसान फिर इदारे का। फिर मतलब क्या हुआ ज़िन्दगी भर एक्टिविज्म करने का हमारा।

इतना निचे मैं नहीं गिर सकता।
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Anwar Khursheed
Anwar Khursheed I respect the sentiments of Tanweer Alam Sb but this is my opinion and proposal.
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam मैंने हमेशा अपनी जुबां और लेखन को विराम दे दिया जहाँ आप खड़े हो गए। AMUTA बनाये 'आपदा राहत कोष' हम सब काम करेंगे उसके लिए या फिर वो अपने दस्तूर से ये सब काम निकालकर सिर्फ शिक्षा संबंधी विषयों पर ध्यान दे। फिर हम क्यों पूछें की अमुटा बिरयानी उड़ा रही या ताश के पत्ते फेंट रही।
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Zartab Haider Jafri
Zartab Haider Jafri Bihar is indeed going through one of the worst flood situations and it is incumbent on everyone who can even afford a dime to contribute towards the relief fund through one platform or other. AMUTA is a responsible body and they are been looked upon as an association which create benchmarks in whatever they do and in this grim situation when people are fleeing for their lives and many lost the shelter on their heads whereas scores lost their lives , AMUTA should have convened a meeting to pay condolences and collect the relief fund over a cup of tea. Feast could have been avoided as that signifies a Joyous moment rather than depicting a sombre situation, which indeed it is .
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Samira Heshmati
Samira Heshmati ,o
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Samira Heshmati
Samira Heshmati morality is going down in every second of time....do best .
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Mohammed Nadeem Kazmi
Mohammed Nadeem Kazmi Well Said !
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Mohammad Faheem
Mohammad Faheem Here the point is morality which is really a matter of concern.
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Mohammad Sajjad
Mohammad Sajjad I also did not attend, though I preferred not to air my opinion in public.
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Zoony Zainab
Zoony Zainab I agree. What people don't realise is that sometimes during a bad time a celebration is just the symbolic gesture that we need. It does not mean that people don't relate to the plight of other humans. Considering the times we live in and the assaults and calamities we face as humans, we would have very little to celebrate. The point is to keep going and find moments of happiness despite of the despair because it is to reach these moments that one fights through dark. To give up on celebrating something is to give up on the dream that things will get better.
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Ekram Hussain Mir
Ekram Hussain Mir Condemning teacher must be denounced discouraged
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Roushan Ali
Roushan Ali Think above dinner, hamari barbadee ka charcha hai Aasmano mei...
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Arshad Husain
Arshad Husain I condemn this negativism about teaching fraternity. Nowadays it has become a fashion to score point on social media to get popularity. Though I have seen lot of posts of Tanweer sb and support his courage & sympathy for social causes but this time I was a bit disappointed by his opposition to AMUTA dinner. I am sorry to say that organising a dinner does not mean the the teachers are not sensitive towards social problems including the flood situation in Bihar or elsewhere. In fact, I know many AMU teachers have contributed individually or collectively for Bihar flood as they have done in the past. I am sorry to say that my feelings as a sincere teacher have been hurt by such mudslinging on social media.
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Tanweer Alam
Tanweer Alam बड़े भाई आजतक अमुटा का बाढ़ पर कोई सहयोग के लिए ब्यान ही बता दीजिये। आपको याद दिला दूँ जिस अमुटा की अवैध बिरयानी दावत में कल रात हज़ारों शिक्षक पहुँच गए उनके द्वारा 3 सितम्बर 2008 को बिहार बाढ़ पर बुलाये गए GBM में मात्र 11 लोग पहुंचे। क्यों ?

शिक्षकों की 1 या 5 दिन का वेतनमान कोई महत्त्व नहीं रखता, न उससे इतने बड़े देश का कुछ होने जाने को है। साहेब, भूखा तो इंसान तब भी नहीं रहता जब अपना बाप मर जाये। सवाल ज़िम्मेदारियों का है। आप कोई DS के प्रोफेसर नहीं है की आप सिर्फ आसपास की ज़िम्मेदारी को निभा कर बच जाएंगे। आप हिन्दुस्तान के तालीमी इदारों के खलीफा 'AMU' के शिक्षक है, आपसे पुरे देश को उम्मीद है। और नहीं कर सकते तो आप अपने दस्तूर से सामाजिक मुद्दे निकाल ही दे। फिर आपका ब्यान अमुवि के शिक्षा विषय के इलावा और किसी पर नहीं आना चाहोए। हम भी आपसे कुछ नही उम्मीद रखेंगे। फिर आपको भी एक आम शिक्षक की तरह आदर दिया जायेगा। काहे आपको अमीर की तरह महिमामंडित किया जाए ?
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#186 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd August 2017 09:34
Just saw that Indias ban on triple talaq.....is the most trending topic on twitter world wide with Hindus engaged in huge celebrations.

Your assessment Hazrat.... There seems to be a concerted effort to eliminate Islam.
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#187 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2017 07:26
Who Created Modern India?


B P R VITHAL | Jul 27, 2005

We would have fared worse without the Brits

After attending the August 1942 'Quit India' session of the Congress, I discontinued my studies and joined the national movement. I spun and wore khadi. After two years of being a Congress worker I returned to my studies on Gandhiji's advice because my parents were anxious. I still have the postcard Gandhiji wrote to me. My nationalist credentials are impeccable.
At college in Madras, I participated in debates where a favourite subject was 'Self-government is more precious than good government'. In Oxford, prime minister Manmohan Singh correctly drew the inference that we all did at the time: Good government was taken for granted by both sides of the debate. The case for self-government was not based on the British not being able to give good government, but on the more philosophical proposition that India's government had to be self-governed. As Tilak said, "Swaraj is my birthright and I shall have it".
The claim for self-government was based on a fundamental human right and was not a necessary pre-condition for or a guarantee of good government. Of course, the British did not come here to provide good government. They came to do business as the East India Company and later for the benefit of Great Britain. If, even so, they appeared sometimes to be better than native rulers, it gives us an idea of how our rulers of those days were.
In these columns, a learned professor complained of "the heavy taxation of the poor" and the "miserable expenditure on health and education". This may be true of British rule in the 20th century. But we have to compare British rulers with the Indian rulers of the 18th century whom they replaced. Even so, their taxation may have been higher, but this was because they already had a more modern view of the role of the government. They paid their Indian soldiers regularly. That was why Robert Clive, with 800 British and 2,200 Indian soldiers, could defeat in Bengal "the nawab's motley and disaffected 50,000".


The British did better in education and health compared to the Indian princes. Our grievance arises only when we compare them to what free India could do in the 20th century. Yes, there were famines during the British rule, causing great distress. You can fault the British, but remember they reported the famines and evolved a Famine Code to deal with them. Afterwards, they built great irrigation works, which operate even today. In Andhra Pradesh, people have put up a statue for one such engineer, along with other popular heroes. The one famine that was due to sheer mismanagement was the Bengal Famine of 1943. The apology for this was that a war was going on, which the Left considered a 'People's War'.

If the British came as traders and became rulers, who is to be blamed? By mid-18th century, India was not one political entity. It is anybody's guess how many kingdoms would have arisen in India if the British had not filled the vacuum created by the decline of the Mughal empire. The situation was no different 80 years later, during the 1857 rising. Indians rallied in the name of an ageing emperor whose writ did not run beyond the Vindhyas. Had Indians won at Delhi, would they have held together under this tragic poet?

The British did not divide a united India. They united a divided India and that unity could not outlast their empire. The question is not whether the British came to help us. They came for profit. But we created the tragic situation in which a colonial power stepped in. We had an unpleasant choice, between the British, the French and the Dutch. Among them the British proved to be the best.

Singh said that "India's share of world income collapsed from 23.6% in 1700, almost equal to Europe's share of 23.3% at that time, to as low as 3.8% in 1952". At least part of this relative fall of India's wealth is due to the increase in
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the share of Britain following the industrial revolution that occurred there first. Before that there was a scientific revolution with the establishment of the Royal Society in 1662 and the publication of Newton's Principia in 1687. The British cannot be blamed for a scientific revolution not taking place here.

The Sethusamudram Project, on which work started recently, was conceived by a Brit. George Everest, surveyor-general of India, located the highest peak in the world in the Himalayas. In every nook of this land you will find a small pillar giving the altitude, determined by the British survey of India. This land has always been ours. But, if today we have a catalogue of its contours and its riches, it is because of the pioneering work of the British.

They were the bridge for India to pass from the mediaeval world to the age of science and humanism. Perhaps that is why those who still hanker after the mediaeval world resent them emotionally.

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#188 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2017 10:13
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#189 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2017 10:25
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I had seen the post on the Facebook.
I do not think anything thing will happen in this regard as to how a TV channel, close to the ruling party, knows significant court decisions in advance. India entered a new paradigm on May 16, 2014. We are deep into it.
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#190 [Permalink] Posted on 24th August 2017 06:47
Sanjiv Bhatt on Indian Muslims Predicament


Every other day there is an incident or a story in the media that directly targets Muslims in one or the other form. There is whole machinery working to create a strong narrative to defame and single out this largest minority community. The same community which fought for independence, decided to live on this side of the border and continued to build and serve the nation.

Not saying that every person from majority community is involved in or buys into the current political propaganda. However, there is no denying that a large scale and deep rooted hysteria has been created in the last 3 years. Target is to keep Muslim community in the line of fire for every possible reason.

What is the purpose of this large scale propaganda machinery?

There are three main purposes:

1. To distract attention of the nation from matters of common concern. To not let people think and ask questions on development, economic growth, jobs, PDS scam, Vyapam scam (and the number of deaths associated with it), mining scam, LED scam, crony capitalism and so on…..

2. To keep Muslim youth engaged in non-productive discussions and derail them from main objectives. Issues such as Tripple Talaq, Halala, UCC, forced singing of national anthem in Madarsas, killing of Muslims in the name of cow protection, Love jihad etc. etc. are all part of the same objective. This is to push Muslim community back in time by keeping them busy on such matters. It will not be difficult to estimate how much collective time and energy our community is losing trying to counter these issues. It is unbelievably large and extremely detrimental to the growth of the community and the nation at large

3. To implement divide and rule policy and gain long term political dividends

SO WHAT SHOULD MUSLIMS DO, especially the youth do in these testing times?

Here are a few suggestions which I believe will help us overcome and defeat this dirty game of politics:

- First and foremost, stay focused on your life’s mission – education, career, business, social work or anything that you are supposed to be doing. Don’t let these incidents and media distract you from your life’s goal and make you waste time in non-productive debates.

- Be realistic. Don’t be driven by emotions as we have historically done. Don’t be hyper reactive to everything you read and see on media

- Remember that we are duty bound to work for the betterment of the country irrespective of who is in power. Nation and political part in power are not the same. Continue to serve the nation in whatever capacity you can. Political parties will come and go but our relationship with the nation will remain unchanged

- Participate in constructive discussions and avoid getting pulled into negativity. There are experts who can manage things better so let them do it on your behalf. Not everyone is qualified to debate on these matters so rather direct your energy towards what you can do best

- Research and know the facts. Unless you know it yourself, how will you present it to others?

- Don’t be afraid. This is exactly what this propaganda machinery wants to achieve, instil fear! Remember, there is a creator, the almighty and he is your best refuge

- Last but not the least, keep praying that peace and harmony prevails in our beautiful country

Finally one request to my friends from all communities, SPEAK UP and participate in protecting the spirit of INDIA.

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#191 [Permalink] Posted on 28th August 2017 12:50
Thimpu: Congress lawmaker Shashi Tharoor launched a scathing attack on the BJP on Saturday, accusing the party of using history as a "battle axe" to advance political agenda. Speaking at Mountain Echoes Literary Festival in Bhutan's capital Thimpu, he said that while he believed India was colonised under the British, for Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India's colonisation started with its Muslim rulers.

"History has become contestant territory in our country. We have seen this starting with the Ram Janmabhoomi movement which was the first major nationwide effort to essentially take revenge upon history... You can't undo what was done centuries ago and simply create new wrongs and injustices against people who are innocent of the old wrong doings," he said.

"Today battles are about the present and history is being used as a battle axe... When I speak of 200 hundred years of foreign rule, our prime minister speaks of 1,200 years of foreign rule," he said.

"I am talking about the British who came and ruled us for the benefit of a country far away. For the Prime Minister, Muslim rulers who originally came to India to rule but stayed in India, assimilated and intermarried are also considered foreigners. To me they are not foreigners. If they stole and looted, they spent their loot here. They did not send it back to another country like the British," Mr Tharoor said.

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#192 [Permalink] Posted on 12th September 2017 07:39
Kanishka Sinha on Muslim Mindset


The following post by Mr Sinha is amongst the most heart warming one I have seen in while.
Can brothers and sisters guess why?

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I was on a plane to Lucknow yesterday, seated next to a young Muslim man.

For two hours he literally did nothing except flick between a Koran app and pictures of bloodied bodies of Muslims in various riots, wars and lynchings, from around the world.

There was a part of me that felt a wave of empathy and sympathetic pain for him as he was trying to make sense of why so many people who had never even met him, would hate him, and people sharing his belief system, so much.

There was a part of me that was intellectually analysing the religio-political state of the world, and the impact of identity politics in dividing humankind.

But the major part of me was the one I had to restrain.

I wanted to shake him roughly.

And tell him that it was ridiculous that he kept wearing his skull cap.

Forget about the debate on existence of God. But how can a piece of cloth take you closer to him?

I wanted to tell him to shave his beard.

How can keeping your beard in the fashion you imagine your prophet had, make you a better person?

I wanted to tell him to cut out memorizing Arabic phrases and the faces of dead Muslims.

And spend his time preparing for some tough exam - medicine, engineering, business, whatever.

The answer to bigotry is not violence or victimhood or religion.

It's determination.

And secular education.

And success.

Why are you holding so tightly in displaying a religious identity publicly that you know will make it harder you to integrate into the mainstream, given the situation today?

The Muslims who I believe are doing most for the welfare of Muslims in India are the ones you cannot tell are Muslims until you know their names.

I don't understand why Dalits continue to call themselves Dalits. The word means 'broken'! It's like a raped woman changing her surname to 'Iwasraped' and insisting all her daughters carry that surname too. I don't understand why Dalits continue to believe in Hinduism, instead walking away from it.

I don't understand why blacks in America insist on calling themselves 'African Americans instead of just 'Americans'. Why do they continue t'o listen to rap music that glorifies pimps and gangsters and swearing and the whorification of women? Or why they call each other 'brothers' implying that they are not as close to Caucasians.

It's going to create a distinct identity.

Sure.

So what?

How does holding onto any of this give anyone self respect?

You don't get self respect from skull caps or statues of elephants or rap music in fact anything outside yourself or in any group identity.

You get it by respecting yourself.

Give up the paraphernalia.

Fit in.

Become successful.

Then stand out.

There are people who may try to suppress you.

The best revenge is to be happy.

I wish I could have explained that to the boy sitting next to me.

But I didn't think he would have listened.

Ps:

There are two completely different issues.

One is what the community should do.

The second is what is effective for an individual.

The society should be without discrimination. I believe that women should be allowed to wear burkhas, burkinis, bikinis whatever.

I actually think that women should be allowed to marry under triple talaq or to pay dowry or to commit sati if that's what they believe in.

The level of freedom that I believe should be accorded by society is significantly higher than pretty much anyone I know.

What society should do is one thing.

However the other side is what is most effective for the individual.

I don't like suits. I hate them and refused to wear them for my clients as part of my trainings, even if I lost the business.

But when I was an MBA student, I just put my tie on and got my job offers.

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#193 [Permalink] Posted on 20th September 2017 08:48
The Story Behind Gujarat Files : A Can of Worms from India


Sanjiv Bhatt

A little known story from Gujarat:

The CBI investigations into Sohrabuddin Shaikh and Tulsiram Prajapati encounters were at their peak. The fates of the then Home Minister and the then Chief Minister were hanging fire. A young investigative journalist was tasked by her magazine to cover the CBI investigations and look for a story that would sell. She came to Ahmedabad and tried tapping sources in the Police and CBI. Unfortunately for her, information from the State Police or the CBI was not very forthcoming. She tried her luck with an Ahmedabad based lawyer activist who was pursuing the fake encounter cases in court. The lawyer activist fell easy prey to the charms of the dusky chain smoking journalist and was more than happy to share juicy case details with her. Stories started taking shape. The journalist wanted more. She got in touch with the duo of IPS officers from the CBI who were leading the investigation. The younger of the two IPS officers was attracted to the journalist and she was attracted to him. The inevitable happened. Their meetings increased in frequency. Information started flowing easily. The magazine continued getting good stories. And the young lovers continued having a good time. But little did the two lovers know at that time that the Government Guesthouses where they used to meet for their amorous peccadilloes were discreetly bugged by the operatives of the State Police. All their shenanigans were captured in lurid colourful detail. The tables turned. The young CBI officer was made aware of the irrefutable video evidence against him. The hunter suddenly became the hunted. Deals were struck. The investigation was derailed. The encounter cases were diluted to the point of no repair. The word eventually reached the CBI bosses in Delhi and the IPS officer was removed from the investigation and repatriated to his parent cadre state. But irreparable damage had already been done. The young journalist was given a choice: face public shaming along with the officer or help in derailing the efforts of the lawyer activist who was heavily besotted with her easy charms. She chose the latter. Things moved as planned. She was used to collect dirt on the lawyer activist. The scandalous dirt was smartly used to deter the lawyer activist from pursuing certain sensitive issues before the Commission of Inquiry that was inquiring into the Gujarat Riots of 2002. The lawyer activist eventually withdrew himself completely from the Commission proceedings despite being the only legal representative of the hapless victims. The young journalist wrote a titillating and fanciful account of her journalistic exploits in Gujarat, but took exceptional care to gloss over the role of the then Chief Minister in engineering the Gujarat Carnage. In return, the book was allowed to be published and publicised without any hindrance whatsoever. What could have been an end-of-the-political-road situation for the political duo from Gujarat, and end-of-the-journalistic-road situation for the young investigative journalist became a win-win situation for both sides.

P.S. Hope this helps some of you to connect the dots... 🙂
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Maripat Abu Adil It does sir. And it is sad.
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Ali Jamal Kidwai If what you wrote in your post is untrue Sanjiv Bhatt, you will loose a lot of credibility. As it is she will now again be hounded by bhakts on Social Media.
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Prashant Prashant His integrity is beyond doubt... .I donot think he is a person who would spread canards about anyone ...
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Ali Jamal Kidwai I know Prashant Prashant. This is a big 'expose' which is going to have solid repercussions.

I am just wondering why arent the tapes being released. My only submission.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Ali Jamal Kidwai, Don't worry. Nobody will really hound her. The entire purpose of the Book was to absolve Modi of his culpability for 2002. The rest was just a padded web of truths, half-truths and lies.
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Salim Javed Could be possible....
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Nilim Dutta Ali Jamal Kidwai, Sanjiv Bhatt, I wrote in my review that the book contains no hard evidence that would be admissible in court. www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209723235502766&set=pb....
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Here is my review of Rana Ayyub's much talked about book, 'Gujarat Files: Anatomy of a Cover Up':

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Sanjiv Bhatt Nilim, As I said earlier, it is titillating and fanciful, to say the least!
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Nilim Dutta
Nilim Dutta I have had my fair share of investigations into extremely murky affairs of the state, and experience of courts. Naturally, I am rather clinical in examining a narrative, the standard of assessment being, "How much hard evidence?" The book offers none.
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Mkhh Jilani It's true.
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Mkhh Jilani Nilim Dutta how can we find any hard evidence in the book. It's already diluted.
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Maripat Abu Adil Sanjiv Bhatt One of the pair of dots it connects for me is this one: Why does the booklet look so unsubstantial.
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Sanjiv Bhatt That is exactly what the Ediror-in-Chief believed. He was subsequently viciously targeted by the government.
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Rebecca Solomon Tarun Tejpal?
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Jyoti Khera and does anyone remember where he is now. rotting in some corner where the sun don't shine. wiped away from the face of the earth. as if he never existed. that is the Magic of Modi :)
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Mukul Easwaran "Viciously targeted by the Government" - textbook Modi SOP.
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Ravi Agarwal @Jyoti Khera : FYI, that Editor in Chief molested a young intern. I bet you will somehow cook a theory that Amit Shah was controlling the 'finger' of that pervert Editor in Chief.
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Yusuf Siddiqui Ravi Agarwal You should analyse coherently before coming to a conclusion. An investigative journalist being molested not once but twice,strange. Twice? Where was she raped? Inside elevator? Laughable! Only a woman's statement u/s 164 is enough to put a man behind bars,investigation happens later which is solely on the mercy of state.
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Ravi Agarwal @Yusuf Siddiqui : YOU ARE SICK. Your ideological/religious hatred for Modi has destroyed your sanity.
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Manoj Singh Ravi Agarwal, why are you behind this AAP-SWARAJ logo ?
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Yusuf Siddiqui Ravi Agarwal Seems ,you have no iota of the definition of rape else you won't cast aspersions on the people who see severals unconnected dots. 'Finger' penetration is Rape; now you should upgrade your feminazi skills.

2. I failed to comprehend,two attempts by the Editor,huh? And the innocent abla kept the 'duo' status second time ,why did she go inside elevator if she was once molested and why did she not raise alarm?

3. For your kind information "Lapse on judgement' infers several meanings,one is not to hire such interns without inquiring her antecedents.
Now,your adhominem are vicious, personal traits in an attempt to undermine the argument. Also,bail is right and jail is exception,so if your Babas are in jail because the evidences are strong enough and courts have the 'Stick' not the Govt ,equally important, it was widely exposed by media and in case of TT has none, only vendetta.
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Arun P Mathew Tarun Tejpal was accused of attempting to molest one of his female colleagues. The journalist herself is a reputed professional. If course, BJP made the best out of it but can we make aspersions on the woman who filed a case? Tejpal's own emails exposed his guilt.
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Dipankar Khasnabish Looks some folks started defending Tarun Tejpal. How sick can people get.
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Aniruddha Dutta And all immoral rapists.journalists.. judicial killers ( read IIT IPS)..are part of the team anti MODI.. Their verbal diarrhoea is going on non stop for ever.
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Ravi Agarwal Yusuf Siddiqui :

First, thanks for agreeing that finger penetration is rape as for some folks of your ilks, anything short of vaginal penetration is no rape. Hence, I used the general term 'molestation'.

Second, you say "Lapse on judgement' infers several meanings,one is not to hire such interns without inquiring her antecedents.
I can only laugh at your factual accuracy and your stupid creativity.
Did you even read his letter? Just because he is against the guy you hate, you would defend him by any stupid logic.
Let me quote some parts of his letter:
"A bad lapse of judgment, an awful misreading of the situation, have led to an unfortunate incident.."
"there is absolutely no ground or circumstance in which I should have violated the propriety and trust embedded in that relationship.."
As far as antecedents of that girl are concerned, she was the daughter of Mr Editor in Chief's long term colleague and friend. She knew Mr Editor since childhood and considered him a father figure. She was also a close friend of Mr Editor in Chief's daughter.

Does any of it support your theory?
I guess when the young girl was a kid, Amit Shah must have seen the future and at that time only, he must have bought her loyalty and turned her into a mole.
Or maybe you should try another spin.

Third, you repeatedly mention "why did allow it twice"?
You have never read about the psyche of a victim. She was in shock. On top of that Mr. Editor threatened her of firing her. We are talking about pre-Vishakha, pre-2014 here. On top of that Mr. Editor was a powerful man, backed up by all double faced journalists and blind men - like you- who would defend him just because he was against Modi.
Still, she informed her close persons of what happened via phone (the evidence which is with police, along with Mr Editor's 'fingering' message).
The second time, he found her in the lounge, held her by the wrists and pushed her into the elevator. Got your answer?
If your logic is applied, no child who has been sexually abused cannot be trusted because they dont come out in the first instant out of fear and shock.

Lastly, if you read Ram Rahim's court judgement, the court sentenced him on the statement by witnesses only for when the investigation begun, rape couldn't be proved medically. Same goes for Asaram. And same will be the fate of that Editor (while your cry victimhood for him).
And unlike you, we dont defend rapists just because they were born into our religion or used our religion's name to amass followers or for ideological reasons.
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Yazdy Palia That explains everything, Thanks Sanjiv.
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Samar Anarya Sanjiv Bhatt's sensational expose' (read it Arnab Goswami style- EXpoSE') decoded:
1. A young, dusky, chain smoking, woman investigative journalist who set out to cover Gujarat.
Of course, what else women can be! Thank you Sanjiv Bhai for being so gracious and adding 'journalist' part, he could have stopped before as well!
2. Of course who can resist the charms of such a woman, so a senior lawyer pursuing Fake Encounter cases too fell for her charms! Of course only for her charms. Now why bother with an uneasy detail over whether that senior activist fell for other countless dusky or white as a chalk, chain smoking or had never touched a cigarette, charming women journalists or activists or whomsoever etc or not! Also, why bother over if he did, which doesn't seem to be the case because not a single one out hundreds of women who must have crossed path with him ever said that, as women, you know, howsoever strong are women after all! Charming, dusky, chain smoking, before anything else.
3. So the senior journalist was more than happy to share JUICY DETAILS with her.
Yeah, what details can be JUICIER than those of FAKE ENCOUNTERS!
4. Of Course the Journalist wasn't satisfied! She wanted more. So she got in touch with 2 IPS officers from CBI who were investigating the case. That's what any investigative journalist would do right! But no, Sanjiv bhai has JUICIER DETAIL. That the younger of the IPS liked the young, charming, dusky, chain smoking- now add journalist too if you must- and she liked him.
Yeah! That's the SoP- standard operating procedure, you know, in both- journalism and policing. You see a young, charming person and immediately fell for him/her.
5. Then the INEVITABLE happened.
Yeah, in Sanjiv Bhai's native language that is called inevitable.
6. And then the other inevitable happened. Magazine kept on getting good stories, lovers good time. That's how all big stories have gotten broken across the world, you know.
7. There's the twist! The Young Lovers were doing the INEVITABLE in Government Guest Houses which were bugged by you know whom: CM & his confidante! So all there SHENANIGANS of the young lovers were captured in, Sanjiv Bhai helpfully adds- LURID COLOURFUL Details.
Of course! The young lovers had learnt both- policing and journalism in St Innocent High School, had never heard of anything called SCANDAL in a state where some people, you know whom, had finished then heavier than them weight Sanjay Joshi's political career with an alleged Sex CD.
(Thank heavens! I was getting bored with only Juicy Details!)
8. Of course this derailed the whole case. DEALS WERE STRUCK. Encounter case was damaged to the point of no repair. Young Journalist (Thank heavens for the little mercies- Sanjiv bhai accepted her back as a young journalist from being 30+ but young lover) was given a choice: EITHER GET PUBLICLY SHAMED or help derail the case.
Yeah, she was given that CHOICE In a country where making LURID, COLOURFUL details public leaves no need for a deal!
9. Senior Lawyer, missing from the story till now- comes back. And he was, as you know, was HEAVILY BESOTTED by the Young Journalist. So the Young Journalist was used to collect dirt on the lawyer activist.
And she did! Dirt, you know! And the lawyer activist completely withdrew himself from the Commission Proceedings despite being the ONLY LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE of the victims.
Completely withdrew. Humm.
10. Of course the Regime allowed the young journalist to go ahead and publish her fluffy teddy bear without eyesing account of the regime and how it manipulated everything in Gujarat by the regime itself. Of course on the condition that it will gloss over (read exonerate the role of the CM in engineering the carnage!
Yeah yeah, Years after Munna Bajarangis confessing the role of the CM on camera (of course hidden ones) of Ashish Khetan(s), even if she indeed was compromised, she could really manipulate that! Gimme more! No, not the juicy details! The Dope, my friend, the dope!
11. And hence, the book was allowed to publish. The Gujarat Duo in their political career, the young journalist in her media one!
Of course, of course! The Gujarat Duo which demolished Sanjiv Bhatt's own affidavits in all Courts, the ones even he could not bring down despite having all the powers, could have brought down by this single young journalist!
P.S. Hope this helps some of you to connect the dots...
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Samar Anarya How decent Mr Sanjiv Bhatt is! See he didn’t name anyone even after actually giving all the details to make even someone sitting in Honolulu know who they are Sanjiv Bhatt? And of course the evidences must be as strong as collected by him- which could not get him saved from getting fired by the Supreme Court!
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Hasnain Naqvi The journalist in question has been named and shamed after this startling revelation The late lawyer- activist has also met a similar fate. What about the investigator, the then supposedly young/ junior of the two officers on CBI deputation? Why should he go scot-free as he was also a 'partner in the crime'!
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Sanjiv Bhatt Isn't his identity absolutely obvious!
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Dinesh J. Karia No, not obvious at all.
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Dinesh J. Karia સંજીવભાઇ is his role substantiated?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Dinesh J. Karia What part of the role? 🙂
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Sumeer Mathur Does not take away from what she unearthed..lets try and not get peoples personal lives into this.
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Sanjiv Bhatt This is not about personal lives! Who cares a fuck about who sleeps with whom? It is about advertent or inadvertent subversion.
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Sumeer Mathur My bad then. The only new thing I learnt was the personal stories.
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Kiran Trivedi Sanjiv Bhatt Sorry to say this but the way you referred to episodes and words you chose to tell the story do not gel with you claim here of // Who cares a fuck about who sleeps with whom?// It seems that's the goal. along with narrating - what happened.
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Marise Abraham Lee Time tested method by Neanderthal men. Discredit a woman by referring to her alleged sexual "peccadilloes"...and the chain-smoking bit was a nice touch too. Never gets old for some.
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Sumeer Mathur Sanjiv isn't any of those things.
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Jyoti Khera //The only new thing I learnt was the personal stories.//
no what you also learn from it is what the vicious duo are capable of. to what extent they can go. how the fake encounter investigations were derailed. how what could be incriminating evidence against the criminals of the century instead became lurid bed side fiction. how a hitherto contained menace was allowed to unleash on an entire nation...
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Sumeer Mathur Maybe. But have you read the book? Its too inriminating to be a set up
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Jyoti Khera yes as i said above i don't believe it to be a setup. or that it absolves the duo. but who knows..the web goes deeper and deeper. the plot gets murkier and murkier.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Kiran Trivedi, Who slept with whom was incidental. What matters is how it impacted the course of events.
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Javid Humayun Personal stories that influenced the outcome, Sumeer Mathur!
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Prayaag Kasundra Sanjiv Bhatt It's disgusting. If you so wanted not to shame for your so called excuse of maintaining decency you wouldn't use the intensifier and deliberate and explicit detail about the nature of compromise ( even if the matter about compromise/deal made is true )

Quoting someone's comment on other post. Which is same feeling I have ....

"He has named and shamed both the journalist and the lawyer-activist in this fluffy teddy bear without eyesing revelation but has spared the investigating Police officer (then on CBI deputation) who was a 'partner in crime'! This raises serious doubts on the intent of his post."
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Sanjiv Bhatt Prayaag Kasundra, The identity of the IPS officer is an absolute no-brainer. Just google a little.
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Moinuddin Ibn Nasrullah Pls suggest keyword for search Sanjiv Bhatt....... Since last night I'm searching. I don't want to name wrong person. Pls suggest keyword through which I can get exact name.....
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Rajiv Shah Written in bad taste, I strongly disapprove of such mudslinging on a woman journalist, who is unable to find a publisher in Gujarat (if she is the one about whom Sanjiv Bhatt is talking about), yet I believe, as a journalist, undercover operations to flash a story is sensation and serves only serves political purpose. Great investigations are always done overground, by interviewing people and cultivating sources. There are innumerable examples across the world about them... That said, the book the lady (she is basically an activist) wrote itself made great news, and even we reported it in www.counterview.net.
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Dinesh J. Karia Yes sir in very bad taste. And fully fictitious.
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DP Bhattacharya Rajivbhai, he revealed his own character through this... criminal murky cheap misogynist to say the least.
By the way, some old stories about Rajpeepla were floating in the air... about some hotshot in uniform and his activities....
Stories are bad things. They seldom die.
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Sanjiv Bhatt DP Bhattacharya Stories like? 🙂
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Seema Tyagi I do not know who or what is right or wrong. All I was astounded by was the ease with which the book was allowed to be published by the evil regime. Also, how the book launches all over the world were allowed to go through with elegance and ease. The publisher of a small patrika in one State of India.. A Congress ruled State.. was shot in cold blood for a small article.
It's a murky set up.. That much is clear. The rest is an interestingly horrifying story.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Seema, You've nailed it!
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Seema Tyagi Sanjiv.. I do not make hasty heroes. Nor ditch then at the whiff of a storm. You are a hero. And will remain to be so.
I also know that you're big enough to back off with an apology if proved wrong.
So.. You remain my hero.
*Conditions Apply.
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Sarwar Baig FYI , the editor of that small patrika had published the Kannada edition of Ayyub's book. The same one. Just saying.
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DP Bhattacharya m.indiatoday.in/.../gujarat-ex-adgp.../1/151797.html
That much for this man's conscience and credibility... a deal maker who fell out with his masters after they stopped throwing bones at him and started spitting lies all over.
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Sanjiv Bhatt DP Bhattacharya, I had said about this subversion in my affidavit before the Supreme Court, NCM and Nanavati Commission. It was I who encouraged Mr. Sreekumar to bring this up before the Commission in his affidavit as well. He was reluctant as it would have attracted adverse attention as he was heading the IB when the alleged subversion was attempted. However, he brought it up before the Commission with a cautious caveat about his own role. The actual details of the operation are contained in my affidavits before the Nanavati Commission and the NCM. Please go through the affidavits before pontificating on my role and character. :)
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Sanjiv Bhatt DP Bhattacharya, Someone like you would definitely know how to connect the dots...
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Rajiv Shah Sanjiv Bhatt all this is all right, sanjivbhai... but my only objection is bringing in public life of a woman journalist's personal life, false or true. I continue to maintain, and strongly feel so, the post is in bad taste, don't understand why you posted it. Req delete it
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Sanjiv Bhatt Rajivbhai, Some of us have been fighting the battle of our lives. We should at least know who stands on what side of the battle line. We have had more than our share of fifth columnists, haven't we?
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Sarwar Baig This was uncalled for. It initiates gossip and slander about a brave and accomplished young woman. You have people rooting for and looking up to you , Sir. You really didn't have to start something like this. I understand you two have your differences , but that's hardly any justification to make it personal like this.
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Sanjiv Bhatt This is not personal. It is about willful subversion.
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Jyoti Khera
Jyoti Khera Sanjiv the timing makes it look personal. that is why most people are finding it hard to believe or accusing you. you may be telling the truth but since you chose to do it now, after a very public spat, casts doubt on the veracity and the motivation. i...See More
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Mahesh Dutt well said, Jyoti Khera...very well said. Kudos.
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Sumeer Mathur I don't think the book absolves Modi, if anything it shows how he had an ecosystem that perpetrated that. She has since gone on record to say, if I am lying why don't you prosecute me. The book is hated by sanghis, there are book stores in Delhi that refuse to even stock it.
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Sanjiv Bhatt The entire underpinning of the book is to absolve Modi. Read the book once again and try to connect the dots, if you can. Contact me if you can't.
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Sarnawaz Mirza Yesterday Rana wrote--Amit Shah testifies in favor of Maya Kodnani in the court today. Here is Maya Kodnani in her taped conversation in Gujarat Files. Of course SIT will not ask me for the tapes
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Sanjiv Bhatt Sarnawaz Mirza, The White Beard won't mind a little tarnishing of the Black Beard as long as his own beard is safe.
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Sarnawaz Mirza 😀😁😀😁😀😁
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Vignesh Mathi Sir, I am not able resist questioning the timing of this allegation.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Suryamani Goswami, I am very much in India, my friend. The rest, I choose not to refute. :)
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Sanjiv Bhatt Vignesh Mathi, Just puts things in a better perspective, doesn't it?
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Mohamed Ajmal Sir u made us cry with ur post today.. if the supposed saviour was not even a saviour then we have even lesser people to trust now..
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Sanjiv Bhatt But that is the sad truth. Read the book again and you will be able to connect the dots.
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Marise Abraham Lee If what you say is true, have the courage to stand by your truth and name the people in your little poison pen note please. Surely you're not afraid of a lawsuit?
This is so kindergarten.
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Sanjiv Bhatt It is not kindergarten. It is plain and simple decency.
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Marise Abraham Lee Decency is writing poison pen notes, without naming names?! Get a grip, dude. You're losing it.
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Marise Abraham Lee This quality of writing has been exhibited many a time by the BJP hate mongering machinery.
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Ravindra Azad I agree.. If it has truth in it, why can't we name them. And if it's just decency this post shouldn't have existed.. Make sense?
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Prayaag Kasundra Sanjiv sir, we are fooling no one. Even under the guise of decency you are still leaving clear clue to names. So why hypocrisy. Why not mention name then? And if you can name Modi for the cause, for the standards of integrity and principles, why not here?
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Samar Anarya Decency of not naming them after actually giving all the details to make even someone sitting in Honolulu know who they are Sanjiv Bhatt? And of course the evidences must be as strong as collected by you- which could not get you saved from getting fired!
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Suryamani Goswami If Sanjiv can accuse so called female journalist of having some deal in toning down the rhetorics in her book to save Modi from the ghost of Gujarat riots and fake encounters, then what he did is also falling in the same line. Eventually its the BJPig and Feku who will benefit from his new found memory before Gujarat elections. Must have got in some kind of deal to accomplish his new found goal of "Target 150+"
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Amir Khan What is your source ? Or another your truth like meeting with CM ?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Firsthand knowledge, my friend.
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Bodhisattva YaMyoho Sanjiv Bhatt you have pulled the rug from under my feet , this is so hard to believe 😞 😥
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Sanjiv Bhatt The sad truth! :(
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Shama Parveen Same here.
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Raahil Wasi Why these insinuations ? And why now ? The whole world knows what lows the "political duo from Gujarat" is capable of - not sure whether that was your intention indeed. But feel free to answer.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Just giving a perspective to the events that impacted the political course of a nation.
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Sunny This is getting dirtier by the minute. Sanjiv sir, how do we corroborate this post? Against what?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Revisit the circumstances and events.
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Nafis Umar One thing still haunts me. What was the 'crime' of Sohrabuddin ?
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Sajiddr Quraishi He was informer, he may have learn what he must not have
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Sanjiv Bhatt Knew too much about the murder of Haren Pandya.
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Hasnain Naqvi Does the book conceal more than it reveals?
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Sanjiv Bhatt It doesn't fail to titillate with all the fanciful claims of undercover operations, whereas the fact is that her identity was fully known to the State Police.
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Dinesh J. Karia Can a fiction conceal or reveal?
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Praveen Vettiyattil What if the girl was trained and sent by those who wanted to derail the fake encounter investigations?

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Sanjiv Bhatt That is exactly what the Ediror-in-Chief believed. He was subsequently viciously targeted by the government.
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Faheem Amin Sorry for my ignorance but who was this Editor-in-chief? Tarun Tejpal?
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Dinesh J. Karia SB cannot write the name. He is courageous enough to nail Modi only.
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Ravinder Kumar Bali What is the head and what is the tail in it.
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Sanjiv Bhatt It is web of deception. No head. No tail.
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Ravinder Kumar Bali Sir could not imagine a better pot boiler. Though I am quite sure there is definitely a conspiracy and the Central government too failed in giving justice to the affected people. If it is by you It is difficult to doubt.
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Rebecca Solomon Who is the lawyer activist?
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Sanjiv Bhatt He is a departed soul. Succumbed to cancer.
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Rana Nabi This is unbelievable
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Rana Nabi Very hard to believe, Sanjeev bhai
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हितेन्द्र अनंत After this, can we believe the book ? To what extent?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Rana Nabi, It is the sad truth.
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Sanjiv Bhatt हितेन्द्र अनंत, The underpinning of the Book is to absolve Modi of his culpability for the 2002 massacre.
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Marise Abraham Lee The dead can't defend themselves from your insinuations. I pity you, Sanjiv Bhatt.
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Jyoti Khera // The underpinning of the Book is to absolve Modi of his culpability for the 2002 massacre//. that is not true Sanjiv. while i do believe the chain of events and the entire account you wrote is plausible, but the book does not subvert. it may not be admissible in a court as incriminating evidence but it does point to the culpability of the duo. many a testimony with "saheb said " and so on. it is very clear who the orders were from. definitely does not absolve modi. are you sure you are not reading too much into the motive and conspiracy behind the book instead of the events unfolding just as you narrated.
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Sanjiv Bhatt Marise Abraham Lee Suit yourself, lady! 🙂
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Marise Abraham Lee Sanjiv Bhatt : Don't require your permission to do so. Not part of the yes-people you surround yourself with. Do enjoy your evening! 😊
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Jyoti Khera entirely believable. this is what the evil duo are capable of.. and much more. in fact i have often wondered why the book was allowed to publish. and why publish now. so late. after the damage already done - the criminals crowned King and Emperor. imagine if it were published prior to 2014. and the snake culled before it raised its ugly head. and devour an entire nation.
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Jyoti Khera but what sticks out is the scandalous dirt on the lawyer-activist part. if he is who is being alluded to here, he was a decent upright soul. and the relationship between the journalist and him was of father-daughter. unless it is someone else. this puts a damper on the entire account.
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Salim Javed Sad to know the deviation from truth...
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Zishan Haider Ja'un Who's that CBI Officer?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Jyoti Khera, I am referring to Modi's culpability in the Gujarat Carnage of 2002. The reference to his role in the encounters is a non issue as the cases were already comprehensively derailed.
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Rana Nabi The evil duo are capable of much worse, I wonder what kind of pressure they put on nitish Kumar that he broke the alliance
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Ak Parmar Zishan Haider Ja'un Thakur...Amitabh Thakur...
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Nafis Umar OK. And the 'crime' of Pandya ?
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Sanjiv Bhatt Threatening to reveal the truth behind the Akshardham Attack.
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Dinesh J. Karia Sanjiv Bhatt PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REVEAL.
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Mazhbeen Siganporia Oh that's terrible
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Sanjiv Bhatt The damage was colossal and irreparable.
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Prashant Prashant Is it the same book , which is in news sir? . And if the answer is yes, than now i can understand many things... ?
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Ak Parmar
Ak Parmar The then Guj Govt desperately manipulated the investigations of the fake encounters to save its skin, the manipulation assumed infantile proportions. They rejected their own magistrate but grabbed David Headley as their saviour. The thug duo came to Delhi. MAITHILI TYAGI eventually gave into her own sins. The FILES flew off the shelf. Democracy took a nose dive.
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Iliyas Mansuri Are you talking about Gujarat files? n MS?
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Mahboob UrRahman Oh so this is the story ?
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Nafis Umar O my God.
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Rana Nabi Oh God,
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Munshi Sanam Thanks for the eye opener bhatt sahab. That answers most of the questions that came to my mind every time I tried to connect the dots.
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Vinod Chand Makes sense and yes, the dots do get connected....
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Sarnawaz Mirza I asked Rana to comment right here on your post. Lets see whether she reply or not ; till then I won't comment
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Prashant Prashant
Prashant Prashant Aug 6th atom bomb was dropped over Hirosima,
Sep 19 , a much lethal bomb is dropped over ...
The commitment, integerity and homesty of someone is shattered...!!!😆
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Samar Khan Attari I have not read the book, though Ihave watched the documetry done by tehalka. Just ordered the book, will read and see.
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Ak Parmar I guess we all know them.
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Krushik A.V. What the he'll !!. This is not just revealing the so called 'truth' but lot more damage to the struggle against fascism!.. If you had this truth you should have told during the launch of book right.! Book has been read largely 13 languages so much wide popularity it has got, it has influenced people!..now this will not just kill her credibility or the investigation(which I am least bothered) but many who went with this narrative of her will be really in huge confusion..I really can't understand your motif sir! Its personal fight or social concern? Other day it was on mosque entry issue with pratik now this ?! FB posts does not prove its truthfulness but it will damage lot. I hope that you are aware of that and this above 'truth' don't need another alt news story .!
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Madhu Purnima Kishwar So this is how Rana Ayyub carries our her sting operations. Lot more to her shenanigans and escapades than this one episode
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Mohd Zubair Maushi ji, You should now write one more book #SanjivNama like you wrote for Modi before elections.
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Mohd Zubair You should meet Sanjiv and write one soon. You never know, Saheb might replace you with the Minister you hate the most? 🙂
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Muheeb Sharief What is Maya Kodnani doing here?
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Aarti Tikoo Singh Madhu ji,
Mr. Sanjiv Bhatt's measure of truth on Kashmir is the version claimed by terror groups like Lashkar and Hizbul. How can you trust anything that this man writes or says?
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Ali Jamal Kidwai Madhu Purnina Kishwar................If what Sanjiv wrote here is true, and u believe it, then why dont u believe to the fact that he was present in that famous meeting just b4 the Gujarat Riots? Or its a case of believing what yr demented ideology wants you to believe while discarding what isn't convenient?
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Dinesh J. Karia So very true! Rana's identity crisis now. On one hand the so called duo in the mind of SB made a deal, before that a journo herself, according to this fiction, was using a junior and a lawyer, again she was unaware of her visual safety in the govt gues...See More
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Moinuddin Ibn Nasrullah Sanjiv Bhatt what was the crime of Haren Pandya?
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Shakeel Ahmad Sanjiv Sir, you are damaging your own reputation ... In her book, Rana has named everyone in her book. As you aren't naming any of the characters, your version becomes murky, and remains doubtful. We would like you to name all the characters. Be brave, or damage your credibility, bro! The only conclusion I could draw from your version is that you have changed sides, and joined the troll that maligns her everyday. Have had lot of respect for you, that's why suggesting to withdraw the story, or name all the characters. Be a man; a man, we have trusted so far🙏
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Dinesh J. Karia Sorry the decent, driven away, sacked IPS turned fiction writer cannot name anyone. If you wish you can expect a disclaimer.
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Faizaan Iqbaal manipulations all the way thru........, truth shall prevail !
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Anupam Pathak Wow, what a jerk story. Here are few questions though.
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Wasim Ahmed Malik Its so confusing and deceptive nowadays...But anythings possible and the duo is capable of manipulating anything at any level.......
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George D'souza At once I thought I am reading a social media post by a BJP troll. The conspiracy theories , sleaze, shaming all in one.
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Sajiddr Quraishi She mentioned about cd and said it is just rumor, no such cd is there, she wrote about u that u r not trust worthy
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Arun P Mathew Sanjiv Bhatt, do you have some sort of evidence to back this? After all, this is a v serious allegation.
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Muheeb Sharief //The lawyer activist eventually withdrew himself completely from the Commission proceedings despite being the only legal representative of the hapless victims.// Which commission did Mukul Sinha withdraw from? A fluffy teddy bear without eyesing allegation on a man who can't defend himself,pls elaborate and folks be careful demeaning people who have risked lives fighting evil else nobody will again have the motivation to fight for us.
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Mohämmad Zäki Naeèm Finally my puzzle about the book solved where it is written about you "He can't be trusted". No one will risk his job and reputation if he is not sure about something. The lady in question can't be trusted
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Suryamani Goswami He already got his 2 min fame, the lapdog media who never gives a fluffy teddy bear without eyes abt any kind of sensationalism against their masters is happily talking abt his new sensation against a woman who never got her share of coverage ever since she launched the book!
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Khan Atif Sultan Shariq Anwar don't know if it's truth or again some exercise to get the limelight to save his face after he faced flak for unconstitutional language on Twitter for Smriti Irani. The so called liberals these days take everyone for granted and their followers aren't any less bhakts TBH.
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Majeed Ahmed Its so fishy. Wondering why the duo is giving her a free walk. Thirteen translations and many reprints and still on. Hard to believe #Sanjiv Bhatt sir. But any thing is possible when dots are joining. Wish you will not be proven wrong
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Om Prakash Singh Unless sanjiv bhatia reveals the name of the concerned cbi officer and discloses the details of the evidences which were collected till then and details of its later derailment , his story can't be believed. The lady had guts to name and shame everybody but you don't have any guts. Please understand that it must have been almost impossible to interrogate modi in those days. Therefore your insinuation that she absolved modi is absolutely not correct.
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Manoj Singh आम ग़रीब जनता किसी भी ग़लत के खिलाफ़ आवाज़ उठाने वालों और खड़े होने वालों को बड़ी इज़्ज़त से देखती है साथ ही उनसे प्रेरणा भी लेती है, कई बार तो आंखें बंद कर के विश्वास करती है। राणा अय्यूब की क़िताब पर संजीव का ये लेख हर हाल में उन ग़रीब जनता को निराश करती है, ज...See More
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Suchismit Mahapatra unfollowing you sir. seems like after effects of the unmasking of truth which happened a few days earlier. and i have read the book. she doesn't promulgate anyone as innocent and/or claim they are not involved in the riots. it is true the main culprits have not been brought to justice but for that she alone is not culpable, our institutions have failed us. ego is an incredible thing, makes us do strange things which further reduces our own credibility at times. dragging people in just for the sake of it without providing any evidence and/or having the guts to name people was pretty low.
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Abdul Rafiq Very difficult to digest. But journalists have no conscience at all. They are driven by money and power, and not by service mindedness or passion. Spreading fake news is easier than standing up for the truth. Only if more people speak up, people will know what is really happening.
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Farah Ghyas If this is the truth as there is simply no reason to disbelieve you Sir, then this is so shocking and ridiculous. This lady is fooling everyone when she has actually let the whole nation down. I considered her an icon (strength) and role model for women especially.
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Iqbal Aftab She has to reply , on these allegations. Otherwise, it will be sure that Sanjiv Bhatt sir is right.
Really hard to believe
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Vishal Kumar Singh Time will tell but story by Sanjiv seems to have lot of holes. Knowing Modi and team they would have used the ammunition much earlier against the journalist.
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Taha Fatima Sanjiv Bhatt Sir.... i gain alot of knowledge from your blogs. Apart from that they r
Highly reliable sources. I can thank you with this couplet:
Hazaroon saal nargis apni benoori pe roti hai ....
Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman mein deedawar paida
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Ravindra Patwal Written with pre conceived ideas.
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Is is because she doubted statements of Sanjiv Bhatt?? In her interview
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#194 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2017 10:27
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His advice for the Muslims or those alike to stand up for themselves in today's world with best of each person's ability in his/her respective field showing his/her competence might have impressed you. In other words, Muslims or those alike should come out of their shells and prove themselves better rather than focusing on the dark side they faced or have been facing. Allahu alam
I kind of don't agree to lose one's identity including skull cap or anything to leave that impression and in fact I see the opposite. I understand as the author is not a Muslim, he cannot fully comprehend. I might be losing exactly the point that impressed you but I take this platform to share my thoughts.
For sometimes, I have this strong feeling that Muslims should show their excellence along with their strong identity as Muslims. To add up, recently I heard a bayan, the gist of which goes like this. When deen enters a man's life, it sharpens his intellect. When King Hercules inquired about the affairs of Muslims from a traveler from Muslim's land, he said he observed two remarkable things in Muslims (during Umar's RA time): They do not deceive others and are not deceived by others. When the King heard this reply, he immediately said, if these characteristics are indeed present in Muslims, they will soon dominate the world and so it happened.
Deen will prevent a man from deceiving others as he will fear Allah SWT and his intellect sharpened by deen will prevent him getting deceived. These two characteristics will make the man a predominant figure. A wise non-Muslim king quickly grasped this but sadly today’s Muslims don’t. Today what hurts me more is to see many of us Muslims pursuing secular education to give up deen or look down those who have deeni look with beards, hijab, niqab etc or we are afraid to show the deeni look when we have to embrace it more and come more close to deen as that will make us only to shine more. Sadly we Muslims are afraid of showing our identity. When we Muslims take effort to be more religious and also to contribute significantly in our respective field, it will only break the notion among non-Muslims that practicing Muslims are backward. It will also turn the world toward us and we will even set as role models inshaaAllah. If we don’t do it, we will do more harm to ourselves and a time might arrive when we will completely lose our identity and lose all our high standard of morals taught by Islam and follow the non-Muslims blindly. Allahu alam


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