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Having read the "Islamic Android Apps" post, I was confused when I read, Wudhu is required to use the Quran Apps, untill I got all the way into Page 5, and all my questions were answered.

Since I thought almost all iPhone users wont make it to page 5, the answer to the above question of Wudhu might not be able to benefit the masses in the middle of a thread, so I though it deserves its own thread to help google searches find this answer more easily.

Jazakallah to Abu Mohammed for posting this, for all of us to learn from.
 

TAKEN FROM ABU MOHAMMED

I had asked a Mufti if Wudhu was needed to touch a digital Quran screen. The first answer was NO. I then found other eveidences which I forwarded to the same Mufti, who then changed his view and agreed that Wudhu is needed to touch a digital Quran.

Below is an old email I sent to someone, it contains the whole ruling.

I have asked the Mufti again regarding having Wudhu for touching the screen and I also gave him additional details to look into regarding this. I was originaly told that it was pixels and data, but there is a difference of opinion. Therefore it is better to have Wudhu when touching the Words of The Quran

He has replied

"Based on below, it would not be permissible to touch the screen without wudu if the verses would be touched. Rather use the track pad or otherwise."

This was my original Question with more evidence.

Salaam, I have asked you this question before but I need a refresh.

I understand that I do not need Wudhu to handle my Mobile phone / digital quran when the Quran is installed on it.

But do I need Wudhu to touch the Screen when the verses of the Quran appear on it?. With most phones today, they are touch screen, hence the screen needs to be touched.

Below is something similar to what I am asking, but I am still a little confused.
Please try to give a detailed answer, Shukran.

I recently downloaded the Quran application onto my iPhone and have the entire Qur’an saved both in audio and digital forms. I have two questions: Firstly, do I need to have Wudu in order to touch my iPhone, or is wudu required only when the app is open? Secondly, would it be impermissible to take the phone to the lavatory given that the entire Qur’an is stored in digital form on its memory?

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

1) The position of all four Sunni schools of Islamic law is that it is unlawful (haram) to touch any part of a textual copy of the Qur’an (mushaf) without being in a state of minor ritual purity (wudu), as a way of honouring the book of Allah. The majority of the Imams of Qur’anic exegesis (mufassirun) state that the verses: “It is surely the Noble Qur’an, (recorded already) in a protected book (i.e. the Preserved Tablet) that is not touched except by the purified ones (the angels). A revelation from the Lord of the worlds” (Qur’an: 56/77-80) refers also to physically touching the Qur’an. Moreover, Imam Malik (Allah have mercy on him) relates in his Al-Muwatta that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) wrote a letter to Amr ibn Hazm (Allah be pleased with him), in which he said, “None should touch the Qur’an except one who is in a state of purity.” (Al-Muwatta no: 534)

Apart from the Mushaf, if a complete verse of the Qur’an is written or inscribed on something else such as a wall, piece of paper, slate or coin and by extension, if the Qur’an is stored electronically in a digital format on an iPhone, PC or some other device, since it can not be classed a Mushaf, there are two opinions of classical Hanafi jurists (fuqaha) regarding its ruling:

Some jurists are of the view that in addition to the Mushaf itself, it is not permitted to touch an item on which a complete verse of the Qur’an is inscribed. It is stated in Maraqi al-Falah:

“Likewise Wudu is mandatory in order to touch a Mushaf, and even (to touch) a verse inscribed on a coin or wall due to the statement of Allah Most High, “it is not touched except by the purified ones” whether (to touch) the inscribed part or the blank space. Some of our (Hanafi) scholars, however, stated that what is prohibitively disliked for the ritually impure is to touch the actual area where the text is written and not the blank space because one is not touching the Qur’an literally. The correct position is that touching the blank space is akin to touching the text itself (in that both are not permitted).” (See: Maraqi al-Falah with the commentary of Tahtawi P: 82)

Acknowledging that some Hanafi jurists limit the prohibition of touching to the actual area where the Qur’anic text is inscribed, Imam Shurunbulali in the above passage explains that the correct position is that if a verse is written on anything besides the Mushaf, on a slate for example, then not only is it prohibited to touch that part of the slate where the verse is inscribed but the whole slate itself. Based on this, if the Qur’an application is activated and the verses appear on the screen of an iPhone, PC or other electronic devices, it is not permitted to touch the device without Wudu.

The second opinion within the Hanafi School is that if Qur’anic verses are inscribed on something other than a Mushaf, then it is only impermissible to touch that part of the item where the verses are inscribed and not the whole item. Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him), quoting Halabi and Al-Bahr al-Ra’iq, states:

“... It is not unlawful in other than a Mushaf (to touch) except the area where the verses are inscribed.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala ‘l-Durr al-Mukhtar 1/173)

This position, chosen by Imams Ibn Abidin, Ibn Nujaym and others, can be acted upon given the need and widespread usage of digital forms of the Qur’an. It is, however, superior and closer to propriety when possible to take precaution and act upon the first position. Based on this, once the verses of the Qur’an appear on the screen, it will not be permitted to touch the area where the actual text appears without Wudu. Touching other parts of the iPhone or device, however, will be permitted.

Note that if the Qur’an application is not activated and hence the verses do not appear on the screen, then it is totally permitted to touch the device including the screen without Wudu.

2) As for taking to the lavatory/toilet a phone which has Qur’anic verses, Hadiths, Prophetic supplications, etc stored on its memory, if the application is not running and the text is not visible on the screen, then it is permitted. However, taking the phone into the lavatory with the text visible on the screen is highly disrespectful and blameworthy. It is stated in Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“It is (prohibitively) disliked to enter a lavatory with a finger ring on which the name of Allah Most High or some part of the Qur’an is inscribed.” (Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya 1/50)

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Having read the "Islamic Android Apps" post, I was confused when I read, Wudhu is required to use the Quran Apps, untill I got all the way into Page 5, and all my questions were answered.

Since I thought almost all iPhone users wont make it to page 5, the answer to the above question of Wudhu might not be able to benefit the masses in the middle of a thread, so I though it deserves its own thread to help google searches find this answer more easily.

Jazakallah to Abu Mohammed for posting this, for all of us to learn from.



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I had asked a Mufti if Wudhu was needed to touch a digital Quran screen. The first answer was NO. I then found other eveidences which I forwarded to the same Mufti, who then changed his view and agreed that Wudhu is needed to touch a digital Quran.

Below is an old email I sent to someone, it contains the whole ruling.

I have asked the Mufti again regarding having Wudhu for touching the screen and I also gave him additional details to look into regarding this. I was originaly told that it was pixels and data, but there is a difference of opinion. Therefore it is better to have Wudhu when touching the Words of The Quran

He has replied

"Based on below, it would not be permissible to touch the screen without wudu if the verses would be touched. Rather use the track pad or otherwise."


This was my original Question with more evidence.

Salaam, I have asked you this question before but I need a refresh.

I understand that I do not need Wudhu to handle my Mobile phone / digital quran when the Quran is installed on it.

But do I need Wudhu to touch the Screen when the verses of the Quran appear on it?. With most phones today, they are touch screen, hence the screen needs to be touched.


Below is something similar to what I am asking, but I am still a little confused.

Please try to give a detailed answer, Shukran.


I recently downloaded the Quran application onto my iPhone and have the entire Qur’an saved both in audio and digital forms. I have two questions: Firstly, do I need to have Wudu in order to touch my iPhone, or is wudu required only when the app is open? Secondly, would it be impermissible to take the phone to the lavatory given that the entire Qur’an is stored in digital form on its memory?


In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

1) The position of all four Sunni schools of Islamic law is that it is unlawful (haram) to touch any part of a textual copy of the Qur’an (mushaf) without being in a state of minor ritual purity (wudu), as a way of honouring the book of Allah. The majority of the Imams of Qur’anic exegesis (mufassirun) state that the verses: “It is surely the Noble Qur’an, (recorded already) in a protected book (i.e. the Preserved Tablet) that is not touched except by the purified ones (the angels). A revelation from the Lord of the worlds” (Qur’an: 56/77-80) refers also to physically touching the Qur’an. Moreover, Imam Malik (Allah have mercy on him) relates in his Al-Muwatta that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) wrote a letter to Amr ibn Hazm (Allah be pleased with him), in which he said, “None should touch the Qur’an except one who is in a state of purity.” (Al-Muwatta no: 534)

Apart from the Mushaf, if a complete verse of the Qur’an is written or inscribed on something else such as a wall, piece of paper, slate or coin [m: and by extension, if the Qur’an is stored electronically in a digital format on an iPhone, PC or some other device, since it can not be classed a Mushaf], there are two opinions of classical Hanafi jurists (fuqaha) regarding its ruling:

Some jurists are of the view that in addition to the Mushaf itself, it is not permitted to touch an item on which a complete verse of the Qur’an is inscribed. It is stated in Maraqi al-Falah:

“Likewise Wudu is mandatory in order to touch a Mushaf, and even [to touch] a verse inscribed on a coin or wall due to the statement of Allah Most High, “it is not touched except by the purified ones” whether [to touch] the inscribed part or the blank space. Some of our [Hanafi] scholars, however, stated that what is prohibitively disliked for the ritually impure is to touch the actual area where the text is written and not the blank space because one is not touching the Qur’an literally. The correct position is that touching the blank space is akin to touching the text itself [in that both are not permitted].” (See: (Maraqi al-Falah with the commentary of Tahtawi P: 82)

Acknowledging that some Hanafi jurists limit the prohibition of touching to the actual area where the Qur’anic text is inscribed, Imam Shurunbulali in the above passage explains that the correct position is that if a verse is written on anything besides the Mushaf, on a slate for example, then not only is it prohibited to touch that part of the slate where the verse is inscribed but the whole slate itself. Based on this, if the Qur’an application is activated and the verses appear on the screen of an iPhone, PC or other electronic devices, it is not permitted to touch the device without Wudu.

The second opinion within the Hanafi School is that if Qur’anic verses are inscribed on something other than a Mushaf, then it is only impermissible to touch that part of the item where the verses are inscribed and not the whole item. Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him), quoting Halabi and Al-Bahr al-Ra’iq, states:

“... It is not unlawful in other than a Mushaf [to touch] except the area where the verses are inscribed.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala ‘l-Durr al-Mukhtar 1/173)

This position, chosen by Imams Ibn Abidin, Ibn Nujaym and others, can be acted upon given the need and widespread usage of digital forms of the Qur’an. It is, however, superior and closer to propriety when possible to take precaution and act upon the first position. Based on this, once the verses of the Qur’an appear on the screen, it will not be permitted to touch the area where the actual text appears without Wudu. Touching other parts of the iPhone or device, however, will be permitted.

Note that if the Qur’an application is not activated and hence the verses do not appear on the screen, then it is totally permitted to touch the device including the screen without Wudu.

2) As for taking to the lavatory/toilet a phone which has Qur’anic verses, Hadiths, Prophetic supplications, etc stored on its memory, if the application is not running and the text is not visible on the screen, then it is permitted. However, taking the phone into the lavatory with the text visible on the screen is highly disrespectful and blameworthy. It is stated in Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:

“It is [prohibitively] disliked to enter a lavatory with a finger ring on which the name of Allah Most High or some part of the Qur’an is inscribed.” (Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya 1/50)
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Yes it is if you are going to touch the writing. See the Post on Islamic Andoid Apps.

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The Page has/had crashed and I couldnt see any of the posts, therefore I answered your Query not realising your Q!

Anyway, I understand you have an Iphone, but the fact that you got so far into looking at the android apps makes me wonder, Do You Still Like The Iphone? We dont need to jailbreak the androids either.

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It's sorted. Apologies for delay - Quotes had to be removed as it's messing up. InshaAllah I'll fix this issue soon

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abu mohammed wrote:

The Page has/had crashed and I couldnt see any of the posts, therefore I answered your Query not realising your Q! Anyway, I understand you have an Iphone, but the fact that you got so far into looking at the android apps makes me wonder, Do You Still Like The Iphone? We dont need to jailbreak the androids either.

lol, i still love my iphone! but also liking the Samsung galaxy s2, however if the sg2 is this good then the iPhone 5 will smash it.

Plus i cant justify spending £400 - £500 on a phone that will be replaced almost every 2 weeks - lol - and lose £300 in value, where as the iphone holds its value. so i think i will wait out till i5 and sell my i4 for £100 less then what i bought it on release day!

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Try using the HTC desire HD or Desire S.

Very good, and like I mentioned before, no need to jailbreak them either.

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"rizmalek" wrote:

"abu mohammed" wrote:

The Page has/had crashed and I couldnt see any of the posts, therefore I answered your Query not realising your Q! Anyway, I understand you have an Iphone, but the fact that you got so far into looking at the android apps makes me wonder, Do You Still Like The Iphone? We dont need to jailbreak the androids either.

lol, i still love my iphone! but also liking the Samsung galaxy s2, however if the sg2 is this good then the iPhone 5 will smash it. Plus i cant justify spending £400 - £500 on a phone that will be replaced almost every 2 weeks - lol - and lose £300 in value, where as the iphone holds its value. so i think i will wait out till i5 and sell my i4 for £100 less then what i bought it on release day!

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have a cheap Orange San Francisco which I paid nearly £84.99 for, brand new. Its hacked and I have flashed it a million times and loaded loads of apps on it and then fashed and re-flashed...

It has been dropped,handled by kids and I useit daily for all sorts of things, no issues.

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@ uncle Muadh = thats the same phone im probs looking to buy. its just the 3mp camera im not too keen on ;-( which is making me look at the Sony experia X10 also that has 8mp ...

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"Anonymous" wrote:

@ uncle Muadh = thats the same phone im probs looking to buy. its just the 3mp camera im not too keen on ;-( which is making me look at the Sony experia X10 also that has 8mp ...

Well, I had the Xperia mini sent to me first and everybody in the Masjid started calling it a girly phone so I had to return it.

Then I had the Xperia (proper) but there are not many hacks available...

Then I had the Samsung wave which was SUPER but didn't have Android so I sold it on ebay and bought the San Franciso

Brill Phone...Only problem is that it has the worst battery life!

: - ) If I wanted a Camera, I would go and buy a Camera :-)

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save the hassle and get an iphone!! lol

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Some news for MAC users.

Viruses will soon infect Apple. They are no longer safe.

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"rizmalek" wrote:

save the hassle and get an iphone!! lol

Hundreds of thousands of free Aaps on Adroid :-) Open source, superb support.

Why would I want to pay "Apple" everytime I sneeze?

My cheap Andorid does everything what an Iphone does and more for free, so convince me? Why do I need an apple?

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unfortunately, its one of those things where you would have to use it, to realise the potential and what your missing out on.

especially the user interface and smoothness between apps. Not to mention all the high end devteams are on the Apple badwagon.

I have seen and used Adroid phones, and they dont have the same quality and experiece you get with an iphone,

A bit like, owning a merc and a vauxhall, the vauxhall might have all the perks of a merc, but at the end of the day, the drive will never be like a merc. and the vauxhall owner will always go on how his car is fabulous, but he really knows, that the merc is better!

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I bought my wife the very latest Iphone at the time. I couldnt stand it and she loved it at first, and then couldnt stand the thing.

No one could bluetooth her anything, changing the ringtone to a specific type was a mission.

I had it jailbroken, still crap.

We all just laughed at it. Superb technology, yet so crap.

In the end I sold it after 6 months and made a loss on the phone. She now has the desire HD, awesome. I prefer the Desire S as its not so big and kills the Iphone 4.

Its like the vauxhall owner has a sticker on on his car saying that "My other car is a Merc".

Like you said, you have an iphone and an android. Soon you will get a cover for your iphone which says, my other phone is an android.