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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 31st January 2013 22:28
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 1st February 2013 15:52

Argument 15:  Can you quote some "Salafi" Scholars who have or had positive views about Tassawuff?

The crux of this entire thread is that Tassawuff is a valid and accepted science in Sunnah but many modern practitioners of Tassawuff have stepped beyond the bounds of Islamic Shariah and breached the noble enclosure of Sunnah and their Nafs (ego) has gotten the better of them, you can choose to call Tassawuff (Ihsaan) if you wish as outlined earlier so we condemn all actions which are in contradiction to the Book of Allah (SWT) and the Sunnah of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam).

This whole thread is to discuss the science of Tassawuff and not to defend Bid'ah practises which have crept into it!

Here are some of the articles which you should read on the issue by Scholars who are oft quoted and admired by the Salafees.

  1. Sufism and the Imams of the Salafi Movement
  2. Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abd al-Wahhab and Sufism
  3. Hafiz Ibn al-Qayyim and Sufism – Part One
  4. Hafiz Ibn al-Qayyim and Sufism – Part Two
  5. Imam al-Dhahabi and Sufism
  6. Hafiz Ibn Kathir and Sufism
  7. Hafiz Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali and Sufism (Part One)

All of the above are referenced and can be verified but let us your your mind at ease by producing two refernces from Non-Deobandi/Non-Sufi translations:

Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (HA) on Tassawuff (Ad-Durar as-Saniyyah fee al-Ajwibah an-Najdiyyah) on At-Tareeqah as-Soofiyyah:

And we do not reject at-Tareeqah as-Soofiyyah, and the purification of the inner self from the evil qualities of disobedience to Allaah connected to the heart and the limbs, as long as the person abides by the laws of the Sharee'ah and the correct methodology. And we do not try to come up with lengthy justifications for any aberrancies in his statements or actions.

And we do not depend on, ask for help from, seek victory from, or place our trust in all of our affairs except upon Allaah ta'aalaa, for He is Sufficient for us, and what an Excellent Trustee; an Excellent Master and an Excellent Helper. And may Allaah bless Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Muhammad al-Hassan Walid al-Dido al-Shinqiti (HA):

You can clearly read his views about Asharees/Maturidees in the same interview but here is the part which we want to reproduce:

Q. What do you say about the Sufis?

A. They differ according to their conditions and states. There are those who are Ahl al-Sunna in creed and practice, and they are accepted as such. Examples would be Sheikh ‘Abdul al-Qādir al-Jaylānī [Allah’s mercy upon him], al-Harawī [Allah’s mercy upon him] and other notable scholars and even Ibn al-Qayyim [Allah’s mercy be upon him] was a Sufi, and he is the sheikh of the true Sufis!

Q. Ibn al-Qayyim was a Sufi? That is hard to digest!

A. But why?! He said that about himself and wrote about it in Madārij al-Sālikīn and Udāt al-Sabirīn and other works which illustrate his tasawwuf.

The religion is based on three pillars: Faith, Islam, and Ihsān. Faith addresses the intellect, Islam addresses the body, and Ihsān addresses the spirit. As for the last pillar, there isn’t much attention given to it except from those who were concerned with spiritual progress. And these people are definitely called Sufis. Thus tasawwuf is like fiqh: there is the accepted and the rejected. It is as simple as what agrees with Islamic law is accepted and anything else is rejected.

Argument 12 Added (Shaykhul-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (RA):

Nope, he hasn't and neither did his teachers or students!. He has refuted and criticised BAD PRACTISES in Tassawuff and here are his words.

يقول شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية ـ رحمه الله ـ : ( لفظ الفقر والتصوف قد أدخل فيها أمور يحبها الله ورسوله ، فتلك يؤمر بها ، وإن سميت فقرا أو تصوفا ؛ لأن الكتاب والسنة إذا دل على استحبابها لم يخرج عن ذلك بأن تسمى باسم آخر ، كما يدخل في ذلك أعمال القلوب ، كالتوبة والصبر ... وقد أدخل فيها أمور يكرهها الله ورسوله ؛ كما يدخل فيها بعضهم نوعا من الحلول والاتحاد ، وآخرون نوعا من الرهبانية المبتدعة في الإسلام ، وآخرون نوعا من المخالفة للشريعة ، إلى أمور ابتدعوها ، إلى أشياء أخر ، فهذه الأمور ينهى عنها بأي اسم سميت ، ... وقد يدخل فيها التقييد بلبسة معينة ، وعادة معينة ، في الأقوال والأفعال ، بحيث من خرج عن ذلك عد خارجا عن ذلك ، وليست من الأمور التي تعينت بالكتاب والسنة ، بل إما أن تكون مباحة ، وإما أن تكون ملازمتها مكروهة ، فهذا بدعة ينهى عنه ، وليس هذا من لوازم طريق الله وأوليائه ، فهذا وأمثاله من البدع والضلالات يوجد في المنتسبين إلى طريق الفقر ، كما يوجد في المنتسبين إلى العلم أنواع من البدع في الاعتقاد والكلام المخالف للكتاب والسنة ، والتقيد بألفاظ واصطلاحات لا أصل لها في الشريعة ، فقد وقع كثير من هذا في طريق هؤلاء .

والمؤمن الكيس يوافق كل قوم فيما وافقوا فيه الكتاب والسنة ، وأطاعوا الله ورسوله ، ولا يوافقهم فيما خالفوا فيه الكتاب والسنة أو عصوا فيه الله ورسوله ، ويقبل من كل طائفة ما جاء به الرسول ، .....،ومتى تحرى الإنسان الحق والعدل ، بعلم ومعرفة ، كان من أولياء الله المفلحين ، وحزبه الغالبين . ) انتهى . ( الفتاوى 11/280ـ29



   

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
     
    “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.
     
The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…(Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290)

This opinion is exactly in line with Ulama of Deoband i.e. practises which are against Sunnah are to be rejected in Tassawuff OR outside of it!

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 1st February 2013 16:22
MashaAllah, superb work. May Allah reward you highly.

It is amazing how the truth comes out.

Eventually the salafi will say that its fabricated or that he was misled.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 1st February 2013 16:41
What do they think ibn qayyim rahmatuallah alayh be talking about when he mentions things on the ruh,nafs and qalb smh...I might not agree in Fiqhi matters from him (ibn qayyim) but he was a Shaykh of the heart
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 1st February 2013 18:36
Abu Taalib Deobandi wrote:
What do they think ibn qayyim rahmatuallah alayh be talking about when he mentions things on the ruh,nafs and qalb smh...I might not agree in Fiqhi matters from him (ibn qayyim) but he was a Shaykh of the heart


MashaAllah, very very well said. These are the kinds of quotes we need to learn, share and teach.

Jazakallahu khair for an excellent way of putting it. This is a great lesson I willaalways remember InshaAllah. Beautiful.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 1st February 2013 19:00
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Abu Taalib Deobandi wrote:
What do they think ibn qayyim rahmatuallah alayh be talking about when he mentions things on the ruh,nafs and qalb smh...I might not agree in Fiqhi matters from him (ibn qayyim) but he was a Shaykh of the heart


MashaAllah, very very well said. These are the kinds of quotes we need to learn, share and teach.

Jazakallahu khair for an excellent way of putting it. This is a great lesson I willaalways remember InshaAllah. Beautiful.


Wa iyyakum
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 30th October 2018 20:33

(salam)

A very beneficial thread Masha Allah.. so now u know our colonel sahab is not Anti Tasawwuf.. :-)
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