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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 15:28

Osama bin Laden was killed in a daring US raid that lasted just 40 minutes after he was tracked to a compound in Pakistan.
The operation by crack troops masterminded by the CIA was so secret only a handful of US officials knew it was taking place.

Helicopters left an airbase in north-west Pakistan and dropped the team in Abbottabad at around 1.15am local time on Sunday.

Intelligence officials located the $1million compound there last August after years of monitoring one of his couriers.

Detainees in Guantanamo Bay, captured after 9/11, had given up the courier's pseudonym during interrogation four years ago.

Osama bin Laden's lair in Abbotabad on Monday after the raid

They said he was a protege of September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and was so trusted he could be living with Bin Laden.

It took another two years to find out where the courier was operating and trace him to Abbotabad and the al Qaeda chief himself.

Months were then spent standing up the intelligence and the go-ahead for a raid was finally given by Barack Obama last week.

The fortified compound was surrounded by walls as high as 18ft with barbed wire on the top to ward off intruders.

A sprawling house far larger than other nearby homes, it was placed just 100 yards from a Pakistani military academy.

Two security gates guarded the only entrance and a third-floor terrace was shielded by a privacy wall.

There were no phone lines or internet connection linking it to the outside world and any rubbish was burned.

It would have been relatively secluded when it was built in 2005 but some other homes have been constructed nearby since.

Abbotabad, so picturesque it is a haven for tourists, is also a major military base and is only around 37miles (60km) from Islamabad.

There was initially incredulity in the US that the world's most wanted man could be hiding in such a spot.

Police patrols in Abbottabad on Monday after the raid

But US officials were convinced the house had been built to protect a major terrorist figure and came to the conclusion it must be Bin Laden.

He was apparently living there with his youngest wife, his brother and other family members.

An official in the Obama administration said: "Everything we saw, the extremely elaborate operational security, the brothers' background and their behaviour and the location of the compound itself was perfectly consistent with what our experts expected bin Laden's hide-out to look like."

By mid-February, the intelligence was strong enough that the US President had decided on an "aggressive course of action".

Over the next two-and-a-half months, Mr Obama led five meetings of the National Security Council about how to proceed.

He was finally given concrete photographic evidence Bin Laden was hiding there last week and gave the raid the green light on Friday.

The US usually would not carry out a ground operation in Pakistan without collaboration with their intelligence service.

But this operation was so sensitive that it was kept quiet, although diplomatic approval was given by the Pakistani government.

America's allies were also been given no hint of what was to come when final approval for a ground raid was granted by Mr Obama on Friday.

The mission needed even more accuracy than US Predator drones, making ground troops the only option.

Around 24 Navy Seals were selected and were believed to have been flown in on Black Hawks and Apaches.

The CIA conference room in Virginia became a command centre with officials watching from there in real-time.

Details of exactly how the raid unfolded are not yet entirely clear but a bloody fire fight quickly erupted.

Bin Laden's guards fired rocket-propelled grenades from the roof and at least two explosions rocked the town during the fight.

Officials said the terror chief refused to give himself up and was eventually shot in the head and killed.

Three other adult men - including the leader's son - are believed to have died, along with a woman who was used as a human shield.

None of the US troops were injured in the operation, during which they were on the ground for just 40 minutes.

One US helicopter broke down and could not fly out again, which meant the troops had to carry out Bin Laden's body on foot.

It was mid-afternoon in Virginia when the CIA chief and his team received word the terrorist leader was dead.

An official said: "When word came in that the operation was a success, CIA officials in the conference room had a rather large applause."

The mission is now set to go down in history as one of the most spectacular intelligence operations in US history.

And it will be a huge boost to Mr Obama's presidency as he begins to campaign for a second term.

The leader had made finding the Al Qaeda boss the CIA's top priority when he took office in 2008.

His predecessor George W Bush had declared he wanted Bin Laden alive or dead weeks after the September 11 attacks in 2001.

But it took 10 years and vast resources to eventually locate the mass-murderer in a Pakistani army town.

Abbottabad is surrounded by hills and is less than half a day's drive from the borders of Afghanistan and two hours from Islamabad.

His discovery there raises questions about how he managed to evade capture and whether Pakistan turned a blind eye.

The US had believed they were close to capturing the terror chief in the mountains of Tora Bora in December 2001 but he slipped through the net.

Most intelligence had put Bin Laden in the lawless border area between the two countries, possibly in a cave being sheltered by tribesmen.

As almost two-thirds of the al Qaeda leadership was wiped out by America, he remained an elusive boyeyman.

Successive operations by coalition troops and Pakistani forces to root him out all failed, until today's top secret US raid finally struck gold.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 15:44

When a mujahid shoots, he has gained success. When a mujahid is shot, he has gained success.

All souls must taste death.

The soul of a shaheed enters into the hearts of green birds which fly around the chandelier under Allahs Arsh.

By killing any mujahid, not one person or nation has struck gold.

Only Allah knows who the true mujahideen are.

I am not in support of any form of terrorism. But lies are lies and haq is haq.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 15:51

Off topic but please think about it.

www.muftisays.com/blog/abu+mohammed/366_02-07-2010/a-hadi...

There are plenty of hadith to verify this.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 16:12

Apparently they quickly buried Shaykh at sea? Sounds a bit fishy to me...

Allah azza wa jal says: "O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done." (49:6)

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 16:35

Shaykh? what ever next? mujahid ?bin laden was made by usa,he turned against them so he was no use to them anymore,how good he was only Allah knows,how islamic he was only Allah knows.
if he was the true follower of islam then may Allah rest him in peace,if not then he has sent foward his deeds.Allah is the judge.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 16:45

Made by the usa or not, Allah guides whom he wills, by whom he wills.

Did the prophet not use the mushrikeen to help educate the Muslims.(regardless of those mushrikeen being POW)

Like you said Allah knows best.
Let's keep it that way. To some he is a terrorist, to others he is a mujahid and to some he is a shaykh. To me, he is what he is. A Muslim.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 17:15

"HUNT FOR BIN LADEN" A NATIONAL SHAME
By Gordon Duff/STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Conservative commentator, former Marine Colonel Bob Pappas has been saying for years that bin Laden died at Tora Bora and that Senator Kerry's claim that bin Laden escaped with Bush help was a lie. Now we know that Pappas was correct. The embarrassment of having Secretary of State Clinton talk about bin Laden in Pakistan was horrific. He has been dead since December 13, 2001 and now, finally, everyone, Obama, McChrystal, Cheney, everyone who isn't nuts is finally saying what they have known for years.
However, since we lost a couple of hundred of our top special operations forces hunting for bin Laden after we knew he was dead, is someone going to answer for this with some jail time? Since we spent 200 million dollars on "special ops" looking for someone we knew was dead, who is going to jail for that? Since Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney continually talked about a man they knew was dead, now known to be for reasons of POLITICAL nature, who is going to jail for that? Why were tapes brought out, now known to be forged, as legitimate intelligence to sway the disputed 2004 election in the US? This is a criminal act if there ever was one.
In 66 pages, General Stanley McChrystal never mentions Osama bin Laden. Everything is "Mullah Omar"now. In his talk at West Point, President Obama never mentioned Osama bin Laden. Col. Pappas makes it clear, Vice President Cheney let it "out of the bag" long ago. Bin Laden was killed by American troops many many years ago.
America knew Osama bin Laden died December 13, 2001. After that, his use was hardly one to unite America but rather one to divide, scam and play games. With bin Laden gone, we could have started legitimate nation building in Afghanistan instead of the eternal insurgency that we invented ourselves.
Without our ill informed policies, we could have had a brought diplomatic solution in 2002 in Afghanistan, the one we are ignoring now, and spent money rebuilding the country, 5 cents on the dollar compared to what we are spending fighting a war against an enemy we ourselves recruited thru ignorance.
The bin Laden scam is one of the most shameful acts ever perpetrated against the American people. We don't even know if he really was an enemy, certainly he was never the person that Bush and Cheney said. In fact, the Bush and bin Laden families were always close friends and had been for many years.
What kind of man was Osama bin Laden? This one time American ally against Russia, son of a wealthy Saudi family, went to Afghanistan to help them fight for their freedom. America saw him as a great hero then. Transcripts of the real bin Laden show him to be much more moderate than we claim, angry at Israel and the US government but showing no anger toward Americans and never making the kind of theats claimed. All of this is public record for any with the will to learn.
How much of America's tragedy is tied with these two children of the rich, children of families long joined thru money and friendship, the Bush and bin Laden clans.
One son died in remote mountains, another lives in a Dallas suburb hoping nobody is sent after him. One is a combat veteran, one never took a strong stand unless done from safety and comfort. Islam once saw bin Laden as a great leader. Now he is mostly forgotten.
What has America decided about Bush?
We know this: Bin Laden always denied any ties to 9/11 and, in fact, has never been charged in relation to 9/11. He not only denied involvement, but had done so, while alive, 4 times and had vigorously condemned those who were involved in the attack.
This is on the public record, public in every free country except ours. We, instead, showed films made by paid actors, made up to look somewhat similar to bin Laden, actors who contradicted bin Ladens very public statements, actors pretending to be bin Laden long after bin Laden's death.
These were done to help justify spending, repressive laws, torture and simple thievery.
For years, we attacked the government of Pakistan for not hunting down someone everyone knew was dead. Bin Laden's death hit the newspapers in Pakistan on December 15, 2001. How do you think our ally felt when they were continually berated for failing to hunt down and turn over someone who didn't exist?
What do you think this did for American credibility in Pakistan and thru the Islamic world? Were we seen as criminals, liars or simply fools? Which one is best?
This is also treason.
How does the death of bin Laden and the defeat and dismemberment of Al Qaeda impact the intelligence assessments, partially based on, not only bin Laden but Al Qaeda activity in Iraq that,not only never happened but was now known to have been unable to happen?
How many "Pentagon Pundits," the retired officers who sold their honor to send us to war for what is now known to be domestic political dirty tricks and not national security are culpable in these crimes?
I don't always agree with Col. Pappas on things. I believe his politics overrule his judgement at times. However, we totally agree on bin Laden, simply disagree with what it means. To me lying and sending men to their deaths based on lies is treason.
Falsifying military intelligence and spending billions on unnecessary military operations for political reasons is an abomination. Consider this, giving billions in contracts to GOP friends who fill campaign coffers, and doing so based on falsified intelligence is insane. This was done for years.
We spent 8 years chasing a dead man, spending billions, sending FBI agents, the CIA, Navy Seals, Marine Force Recon, Special Forces, many to their deaths, as part of a political campaign to justify running American into debt, enriching a pack of political cronies and war profiteers and to puff up a pack of Pentagon peacocks and their White house draft dodging bosses.
How many laws were pushed thru because of a dead man?
How many hundreds were tortured to find a dead man?
How many hundreds died looking for a dead man?
How many billions were spent looking for a dead man?
Every time Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld stood before troops and talked about hunting down the dead bin Laden, it was a dishonor. Lying to men and women who put their lives on the line is not a joke.
Who is going to answer to the families of those who died for the politics and profit tied to the Hunt for Bin Laden?

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 17:50

assalaamu 'alaykum

Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji'oon

Du'a: O Allah! help all those fighting in the cause of justice and reward all those who have died fighting in the cause of justice!

This way insha Allah we don not make judgements about anyone either way.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 19:21

Oh, they killed him again???

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Buried in the Sea...looks like Eddie Murphy and Adam Sandler wrote this script..

How stupid are people to believe this crap - A guy who, due to his week kidneys needed a DIALYSIS on daily basis can survive this long???

BTW why wasn't his name was added on FBI's Most Wanted List til 2007/2008??? Hmmmm maybe they forgot to post it?? ha ha ha

I remember when in 1991 a girl with tattered clothes, messed up hair, unwashed body and tears rolling down her cheeks was presented to US Senate who was speaking of Iraqi Soldier's atrocities in Kuwait, that melted away thousands of hearts.

Well, in factuality her name was Nasiriya and she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to USA.

The script along with the make up was provided by the famous HOLLYWOOD....ha ha ha, check it out.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd May 2011 22:31

Sister in Islam. There could be a whole section dedicated for these sorts of findings. We could call it LSA, lite side America.

Sister Ummi Taalib, Jazakallah. I think it would be safe that you speak on behalf of us all.

guesst, nice one. From rense.com, I was addicted to that site at one time.

Seifeddine, I know where your comming from.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2011 00:41

9/11, in my humble opinion, was an inside job masterminded by the United Snakes. And in their supposed ' war on terror ' Bush and his faithful sidekick Blair are responsible for murdering over 100,000 civilians. If anyone deserves to be hunted down and shot for 'acts of terrorism', its these two Shaytaans.

But they will get their due on the Day of Judgement...

"That Day shall you be brought to Judgement, not a secret of you will be hidden." (69:18)

Many will say Al-CIAda, and USAma bin Laden. Allah knows best what the reality is. However, if Usama was true in his intentions for fighting fee sabeelillah, and if he truly was killed, then may Allah have mercy on him, grant him Jannah, and reward him abundantly.

"And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, "They are dead." Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not." (2:154)

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2011 10:01

some thing i just come across.

Thoughts on the Death of Osama Bin Laden by Shaykh Yasir Qadhi

Osama bin Laden is dead.

And once again, in this Manichean good-versus-evil, us-versus-them, black-versus-white, world that we are told we live in, we are expected to take 'sides', and either jump for jingoistic joy as we thump our chests screaming, 'USA! USA!', or else mourn the death of a 'martyr'.

And once again, many people, myself included, will have to take a deep sigh and wonder whether we can ever successfully explain, to an increasingly polarized world, the complexity of our stances and the nuances of our positions.

The fact of the matter is, contrary to what both bin Laden and his one-time nemesis Bush propagated, we don't live in a stark black-and-white world. We live in a very colorful, very multi-faceted world. Because I refuse to see everything in black-and-white, my position is neither one of sorrow nor one of elation.

It is not one of sorrow because I never viewed bin Laden as someone worthy of my reverence. He was a reactionary who lacked wisdom and who had no long-term vision. His response to Western imperialism was a visceral rage expressed in the language of a false pseudo-jihad - an understanding of 'jihad' that he himself invented, and not one that the trained scholars of our glorious religion shared with him. He helped formulate and propagate ideas that caused more bloodshed in Muslim lands, and more civil war, than any non-Muslim invasion in the last decade. Suicide bombers claiming allegiance to him cheerfully bombed men, women and children inbazaars in Baghdad, in shrines in Karachi, in sky-scrapers in New York, and in markets in Kabul.

Through his rhetoric of takfir, hundreds of people who were deemed 'co-operating' with the enemy were considered permissible to slaughter, and if a few thousand innocent bystanders needed to be killed in order to get to those handful, so be it. This was to be a permissible form of 'collateral damage' - one that seems to provoke only a fraction of the ire from those who harp on and on about Western collateral damage. (For the record, both are evil, and both need to be condemned; and again for the record, the 'collateral damage' of Muslim extremists groups is far more severe than the 'collateral damage' caused by Western drone attacks). His death was expected, for his own words and deeds called for action against him from a powerful military and a mighty country.

So I feel no personal grief at his death. After all, he was already largely irrelevant in the Arab and Muslim world. What good did all of his fiery rhetoric ever do for the Palestinians he claimed to have been fighting for? And what impact did he have amongst the Arab masses as they all rallied together (and continue to do so) against their brutal dictators? From the alleyways of Benghazi to the maydans of Cairo, and from the mosques of Damascus to the streets of Sana, not one protestor waved the flag of Osama or chanted slogans of al-Qaeda. It was the peoplewho brought about real change, not Osama with his anti-American rage and calls for violence.

Yet, I cannot cheer his death either. Why?

Firstly, because the intentional taking of another human life is not a cause for cheering. Even if a murderer is legitimately executed (qisas) by the State for his crimes, it is not in our religion to rejoice at such a death; therefore how much more so when the death was caused in this fashion? (By this I mean that I would have preferred a live capture and public trial - but then again, at this stage we do not know the circumstances of his death).

Secondly, those who looked up to bin Laden for inspiration were not motivated to become suicide bombers and radical terrorists because bin Laden managed to brainwash them. The grievances that all such radicals recite are political and social (I have discussed these in other articles at length). Bin Laden was but a figurehead, and his death will actually feed into the whole martyrdom mythology that these movements weave around themselves. AsJeremy F. Walton, professor of Religious Studies at NYU, wrote on his blog today,

"I do not mean to denigrate the persistent grief of the families of 9/11 victims, or, for that matter, the pain that countless Americans continue to experience when they recall or witness the indelible images of that infamous Tuesday morning. But make no mistake: last night's celebrators, and all those whom they represent, have no comprehension of the political history, quotidian violence, and post-colonial frustration over increasing global inequities-to gesture to but a few factors-that made Osama bin Laden and his network possible. Political theorist Mahmood Mamdani, for one, has vigorously argued that a reckoning of the American role in the creation of jihadist violence during the Cold War is indispensable to understanding al-Qaeda itself. Acknowledgement of this neglected political history is even more crucial in the wake of bin Laden's death."

Therefore, the real question for me is not whether we should rejoice or not. The real questions are far more profound and difficult to answer.

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will his death extinguish his ideas and truly make the world a safer place?

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will the anger that millions of people around the world feel towards our foreign policy simply dissipate into thin air?

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will that justify the trillions of dollars that we have spent on our two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hundreds of thousands of dead since 9/11?

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will our infamous 'War on Terror' finally come to an end, and will we discontinue drone attacks in far-away lands and draconian policies back home? (And on that note: can we finally travel with our toothpaste and without having to be sexually assaulted by TSA officials?!)

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will the hysteria being propagated by the Right and the Islamophobia that is rampant across Europe and America subside?

Now that we have killed bin Laden, will we start concentrating on far more important domestic and international issues?

I guess the bottom line is: now that we have killed bin Laden, has status quo really changed all that much?

I don't have answers to all of these questions, but these are the questions that need to be asked before we rush to celebrate his death or, as some overzealous Muslims are doing, label him a shahid. (And on a theological note, I remind our readers that only Allah assigns Heaven and Hell to anyone, so let us not challenge this right of Allah by proclaiming anything about any individual's fate in the Hereafter).

It took America - the most powerful and technologically advanced country on earth - a full ten years to find this one man. How great it would have been if we had managed to capture the perpetrators of 9/11 back then! But our own reactions to 9/11 created a whole list of new issues, both domestic and international, that the killing of bin Laden will not solve. And to make matters even worse, in that decade a new generation, a young generation, has come of age - a generation for whom 9/11 evokes barely a memory. For this young generation, the death of bin Laden does little to solve its own problems.

If we have learned anything from the Arab protestors across the Middle East, it is that change has to begin from within, and the best way to fight for the change that you believe in - even if that fight be against powerful regimes - is through nonviolent means. Killing your enemies doesn't solve problems; working proactively and productively to gain the world's sympathy when clear injustices have been committed does.

A blogger friend of mine wrote that it is as if America is playing a game of chess with a small group of radical Muslims. We are not playing this game ourselves, for we are spectators. We understand both players very well, and both have made ridiculous moves in the past that have caused many unnecessary pieces to be lost.

America has just made its latest move.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2011 11:30

Asslamo Allaikum,

Unless this news can be verified by means which are "Islamically acceptable" discussion is futile.

I was in the hospital when this happened but as soon as I heard this I knew that this is "rather convenient."

Obama's approval ratings are suffering and he needs to kick start the re-election campaign as traditionally it is done 18 months or so before the actual dates (ideally before Summer!)
Democrats took a hammering in the Senate & the Congress in the last elections
US is bogged down in Afghanistan and needs to save face to get out! They need to show that they have "won" and "achieved the original objectives"

: - ) And guess what the Washington Post says about point 3:: - )

With bin Laden’s death, U.S. sees a chance to hasten the end of the Afghan war

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/with-bin-ladens-death-us-sees-a-chance-to-hasten-the-end-of-the-afghan-war/2011/05/03/AF3TlNjF_print.html

: - ) And guess what the Washington Post says about point 1: - )

A Washington Post/Pew Research Center poll released on Tuesday has Obama's approval rating at 56 percent, up nine points from surveys conducted in April, the Politico reports.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/obamas-approval-ratings-osama-bin-ladens-death-polls-080226079.html

This is one of the highest ratings of any recent president going in for a re-election in less then 2 years!

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2011 13:28

hiya.. i am a memebr but unable to re-set my password. error message.

aint he ment to be on dialysis.

i think its fake.. the pakistani govement is currupt and im sure one of them if he was there would give him up for $25million... i sure would if i was against him... what a fake war... come on day of qiyama

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2011 12:39

I think it is fake because i would only think it is true if they show the dead body then i would believe it but if they only show the face then i think its fake

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