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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th August 2018 09:31

Eid ul Adha is not an Eid ul Hajj!!

www.masjideumer.org.uk/index.php/resources/artiles/100-ei...;

Unfortunately, there is a common misunderstanding amongst the people that when it is Yowm ul Arafah in Saudi Arabia, the whole world has to celebrate Eid ul Adha on the next day. No evidence for this can be found in our Holy Shariah.

The principle prescribed by our Holy Shariah for determining Eid ul Adha is the same as that for determining any other month: one should attempt to sight the moon at the beginning of the month. If the moon is sighted locally or reliable news of sighting is received from outside, then the new month will commence, otherwise thirty days will be declared for the month.  In the case of Eid ul Adha, once reliable news has been received for the month of Zil Hijjah in the locality one resides in, then the tenth day of the month will be declared as Eid Ul Adha.

The calendar of Saudi Arabia will have no effect whatsoever in determining Eid Ul Adha in countries outside Saudi Arabia. Those who are living outside Saudi Arabia such as ourselves, should be following a lunar calendar of our own country.

“All the scholars are unanimous that Eid Ul Adha is on the 10th of Zil Hijjah which is determined by the sighting in each locality, and not on the 10th of Zil Hijjah in Makkah”

This is a fact which has been emphasised by Fataawaa from leading Ulama like Sheikh Saleh Ibn AlUthaimeen RH, and Mufti Muhammad Taqi Uthmaani Saheb (Deputy chairman Islamic Fiqh Academy, OIC, Jeddah), and others. They do not think that it is necessary to observe Eid ul Adha worldwide after the day of Arafah in Saudi Arabia. (See the Fataawaa at: www.jas.org.jo/hilaal)

It is a historical fact that the calendars of Makkah and Madinah were not the same even in the era of our beloved Nabi SAW. Discussing the date of Nabi Sallal lahu alaihi Wasallam’s departure from this world, Imam Maazaree R.A. and Hafiz Ibn Katheer R.A. have written, “There is the possibility that the people of Makkah saw the Hilal of Zil Hijjah on a Thursday whilst the people of Madinah saw it on the Friday...” (Fiqhi Jawahir Vol 1 pg 35, Sheikh Ul Hadith Mufti Umar Farooq Saheb DB) This would mean that the month of Zil Hijjah commenced on separate dates in both Holy Cities. Therefore, Eid Ul Adha would have been celebrated on different days in both Holy Cities, reiterating the point that you must follow the calendar of the place where you are residing, and also that, it is NOT necessary that after Yowm ul Arafah in Saudi Arabia, it has to be Eid ul Adha every where in the world.

On this issue one may also ponder over the following points:

·         Neither our Nabi Sallal lahu alaihi Wasallam nor the Khulafa e Rashideen EVER attempted to synchronise the Eid Ul Adha date in Madinah with the Hajj date in Makkah. Ten nights and nine days were enough to send a messenger from Makkah to Madinah with the news, but there is no evidence of any such effort

·         Eid Ul Adha was instituted in the year 2 AH whilst Hajj became obligatory in the year 9 AH. This clearly indicates that there is no real connection between Hajj and Eid Ul Adha.

·         Nabi Sallal lahu alaihi Wasallam stayed in Madinah for Ten years offering his sacrifice. (Tirmidhi). Nabi Sallal lahu alaihi Wasallam sacrificed on the tenth day in Madinah.(Baihiqi). (The Sacrifice was not done according to the Makkah date).

·         For over 1200 years of Islamic history it was impossible for Muslims in far away countries like Indonesia to find the Hajj date in time for Eid Ul Adha. Allah SWT would never burden the Human Being with a responsibility which was impossible to fulfil. The Holy Qur’aan states  “Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope” Al Baqarah verse 286.

'Wallahu A'alam'

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 07:20
It is not compulsory to celebrate did universally on a single day.

But to have a single day eid in a country is important for administrative purposes. Like in India, government can not declare holiday city by city. There can be ijma of local ulema. It was decided in 80s to have single eid in India. But few vested interests to demonstrate their supremacy; rejected the suggestion; quoting hilal sighting is not acceptable for not more than 40 kms. Today, things have improved, they are declaring hilal for the whole state (province).

Regarding recent confusion in declaring bakrid on different days and then correcting it; this is due to non usage of available simple technology for hilal sighting. Instead of taking messages from common people, Hilal committees must install its own official "hilal sighting centre" in small towns and villages where visibility is good. Local Deobandi Ulema/Huffaz/Aimma staying there can volunteer here to sight moon. They can be trained in Hilal sighting. Barelvi ulema are allergic to technology in hilal sighting.

We are common muslims, we can't do it. Can some one deliver this message to ulema-e-deoband in India. May be when the ulema visit their countries.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 07:21
Earnest request to br Muadh not spoil the atmosphere here.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 09:56
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 10:10
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Jazkallahu khair brother abu mohamed
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 11:08

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not quite sure what you mean. His suggestions here for India are quite workable and logical. For many of us who have close family there, their current hilal systems/processes seem quite a mess.
 

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 15th August 2018 11:22
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And his suggestion are not the solution for the mess.

We are here and we know what is the mess and we are working towards solution.

Alhamdulillah we could partially succeed.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2018 12:01
Question asked inside The Haram.

In Arabic with English subtitles
ماحكم صوم يوم عرفه في سائر الامصار اذا كانت الرؤية مخالفه للمملكة والحجاج؟
The ruling on the Fast of Arafah day worldwide when the local sighting is different to Saudi Arabia
للشيخ عبد المحسن الزامل
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_gT4Urwi8E
(Please note - This video is 4+ years old)
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2018 12:04
Can Arafah fasting be different in Saudi and other countries? - Sheikh Assim Al Hakeem
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Published on 21 Jul 2018 (1 Minute 24 sec)
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 16th August 2018 12:20
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2018 10:46
Just follow Jamhoor pious ulama in one's country in all things. You can't go wrong with that. I ask my local Maulanas when to do Eid and they all tell me same thing. Simple!
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2018 10:48
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Was their advise contrary to Quran and Sunnah or was it in line with Hadith

If I may rephrase:
Was their advise in line with Quran and Sunnah or in line with committee management?
(Reason I ask is; there are plenty of Ulama who know that it was/is incorrect to follow Saudi sightings for UK but they continue to follow their Masjid in fear of losing their job or to keep unity amongst everyone - yet knowing they are in the wrong)

The only time Eid in the UK would be the same day as Saudi is when the Moon is sighted in both countries (or nearest appointed country)
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2018 10:57
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I did not doubt them in many other ruling all these years. Do i need to go back and check if every ruling they give me was in line with quran and hadith?
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2018 10:57

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Note the contradiction in the same post:

  1. Just follow Jamhoor pious ulama in one's country in all things.
  2. I ask my local Maulanas when to do Eid and they all tell me same thing
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 17th August 2018 11:04
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That's your choice and will be dependant on your Imaan.

I personally had changed many of my ways after learning of the more correct opinion of our school.

There are things that we have been taught that is not correct but we stick to them because of our elders - That is incorrect. Some views/methods were added (on a temp basis) to educate the Muslim's however, as time went by, these views remained and are now considered as Sunnah - and when we now say that it is contrary to the Sunnah, we get called Wahabi's and dismissed with comments like yours.
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